Chemo starting in December 2010
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Hi Everyone-
I had my second treatment last thurs of AC (as most of you know)- just coping with waves of nausea, my insides burning, and hair root pain! (Prior to the hair-cut)
I had my hair cut boy short yesterday because my therapist for lyphedema said, "Cathy your hair is really comiing out." Well last night it hurt worse laying on the pillow with the short little layers. I slipped a satin nightgown over the pillow and I was amazed, it helped! The cotton pillow case just made it seem like my hair was being pulled!
Today when I showered I was still unhappy with all the hair running down my face. Think I need a total shave. I tried on wigs at the ACS and brought one home. It was nice to see "a normal" look for me. Hair roots hurt too bad right now though so I just have a soft scarf on. I ordered a wig and had it shipped fast...I just liked the normalcy and like the feeling of not being stared at. I am tall and you can't miss me in a room- so the short hair to me just screams cancer.
Nolaa, your SE's are like what I have experienced. Hugs to you!
Prayers, hang in there! Camp out on the couch with blankets and let the children play by you or watch their favorite tv... a day or so of that won't hurt them. ;-) I know depending on the kids that is easier said than done though. But if someone offers, take them up on child care! I am making myself say yes to offers of help! I find I get easily drained of energy and I do appreciate the helping hands.
Very worn out, hope everyone has a nice evening! Hugs! Cathy
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Hi hdangelbaby, wow, you did good!! Were you on neupogen or not? it is amazing. I am thinking to stop using neupogen if it is possible.
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Joy,
Wow. You've really had a rough road. I'm so sorry this happened to you, to your family.
Chemo with a newborn will be rough. Do you have help for the days you are not well? And getting up and down at night with the baby?
My only advice is get help, and keep it as long as you can. The good news is, Stage 1 BC is curable. When things get hard remember you're working on curing your body, not just prolonging your life (tho that's not a bad gig either).
I don't know what else to say except hang in there, you just brought a life into the world, now you need some time to fight for your own. It won't be forever.
I will lift you up my sister.
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Well, my stay at home didn't last long. Woke up next day with a fever of 101 and stuff oozing out of port wound. Went to Brigham Womans, the Dana Farber hospital, and now that I actually had real sysmptoms they could determine that the port was infected. After just a few hours they pulled it out. I instantly felt better and doing even better today. At first they were going to delay my treatment but i was anxious because I am in high risk group (trip neg). So chemo tonight, hoping all goes well. I did not drink all of my water but have been on IV drip so hopefully that will help.
hopefortomorrow - I didn't get actual nasua but I did have a lot of problems with smells getting to me. i ate mild, simple things like toast and made everyone keep their food away from me so I couldn't smell it.
hdangelbaby - i know what you mean about shopping. I can hear someone sneeze or cough and I run the other way!
sunflower - keep an eye on that fever. Anything over 100.5 needs to be called in. i have learned the hard way that it is better to call and feel stupid than to not call.
Joystars - wow - a new baby! Congrats! I hope you have plenty of family to lend a hand - don't refuse any help. Sleep as much as can and keep drinking that water. look around the boards - I know there are others who have little ones while on treatment.
msjag - i am TN and on DD A/C. Dr Winer came to see me today - he is one of top docs in country for trip neg. Overmoyer is my regular onc. I am in good hands. When I saw him I just started crying.
Congrats to all of you with good blood counts. We will all be ready for nursing degrees when this is done. One doctor asked me if I was in medical field because I was so well versed. I said no, just a lot of time on internet and breastcancer.org!
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Linda--
Hoping your chemo goes well tonight. Try to get some sleep. Keep us posted!!
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Jtbs.....
I urinate so often I cannot keep all my liquids in to stay hydrated. My night went well, the nausea left me around midnight. But I woke up so darn weak. When I arrived for the neaulasta shot they took one look at me and gave me 4 hours of IVs. I had a bag of anti-nausea meds, two bags of normal saline. I swear I drank more liquids yesterday than I can EVER remember. But liquid just kept coming out! I think I may need to discuss an "absorption" problem with my onc. Glad you got in some activity! My routine is golf and I sure do MISS hitting that little white ball around. Now with the "N" shot in me we will see how much I ache the next few days.
passofino222...
I am a 26 year middle school science teacher in the hood. I was told by my onc I could not go back until after all 18 weeks of TAC were complete and I rested my immune system for 2 weeks, due to 110 little middle school germ carriers in this city. There went the rest of the school year.
I qualified for retirement December 31. So I have the papers on the way and will most likely sign them making it retroactive to that date. That way I can get a paycheck through this ordeal. Maybe when this ole' middle school science teacher beats the "cancer beast" someone will need me to help teach the state test to "low kids". We will see! Leaving my kids was the hardest part of this. I told them I WOULD be back b/c the doctor believed I would dodge the chemo. But the nodes changed the journey. I STILL love teaching needy kids! But it looks like cancer ended it...............
Bambi
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imatthew- Thank you for the information. I hope your wife's treatments continue to go well. I start Thursday; my husband will be my chemo buddy. I am so thankful for his support, as I know your wife is, too. I will be asking about the Neulasta shot when I see my oncologist Thursday AM prior to chemo beginning. Enjoy your Christmas!
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Joystars - my heart breaks hearing your story. My husband had really been wanting a third child but this kind of sealed the deal with a big NO. Both my breasts and both ovaries will be coming out in June. The joy of motherhood and the overwhelming urge to take care of your little one is obviously being upstaged by the incredible need to take care of yourself. That alone is a hormal battle in your mind/body. Add to that the incredible trauma of childbirth. Trauma in a good sense, but there is no mistaking that childbirth is a physical trauma that needs time to heal. And in this case, 3 weeks is NOT enough time to heal. Most women need 3 months to even begin to feel normal. Add to that insurmountable exhaustion associated with a newborn. I guess you won't be breastfeeding because of all of the meds, but you could also be feeling a loss from that if you had really been wanting to breastfeed. At least with a baby on formula there are lots of other helping hands that can feed the little one giving you the super important time to rest and heal. Add to all of this the very scary first chemo!!! The unknown is always more scary than the known and unfortunately, the first one is just stressful. Use all of the visualization, breathing techniques, or birthing techniques you learned and apply those to keeping calm and relaxed at the first appointment. If it helps, you can know that everyone here has felt 100% more at ease in the second treatment. Not that we look forward to it necessarily, but the fear factor is gone. Just keep reminding yourself that these meds will make you all better for that magnificent baby waiting at home. --Get as much helps as you possibly can.-- For you and the baby, and for your husband's sanity. We tend to forget what a burden they bear. Finally, looking back to when I had my babies, I wish I had spent more time just snuggled up with them. Skin to skin, they say, has phenomenal calming and healing effects in humans and babies. Since you have such a big responsibility to take care of you right now, your baby will probably be getting less holding, touching, etc, than if you were well. Sad but true fact. But you can certainly make up for it by laying skin to skin with her right next to you in bed or on the sofa while she takes a little baby power nap. Or if you feel better not being in a bed, relax in a rocking chair and just lay her on your chest (or somewhere that doesn't hurt your c-section incision!). I only did it once with my 6 month old daughter - it was after her older brother had accidentally pushed her down some cement stairs while she was strapped in her stroller. (Here's the eternal mom guilt: I know, where was I? Half asleep on the park bench thinking they were fine but it was a new park and I didn't know there were stairs nearby). It was awful and horrific and there was so much blood and an ambulance but she really came out remarkably well with just a big scrape on her gums, of all things. It was a miracle. But she was traumatized, I was traumatized, she refused the breast and wouldn't eat (I'm sure her mouth was sore) and it was a very stressful time. So one night, on the recommendation of my lactation consultant, I stripped us both down naked with just her little diaper and we just laid skin to skin snuggled up in a bed all night. Me wide awake since I was always too worried to sleep with a baby in my bed. But it was so calming, so peaceful, I could just feel my hormones surging at the joy of this gorgeous little creature next to me. It was very healing for both of us. In the morning she was back to herself. She latched back on, kept feeding, and all was well in the world. Granted this is kind of a breastfeeding story, but that night made me realize the power of skin to skin. Looking back now years later I wish I had done it more. For me as much as for them. I'm just more of a type-A than a hippie and kept thinking, "oh, we'll all be cold" or "who wants to lay naked with a baby all night." It was one of the most healing experiences I've had. Give it a try with your little one when you feel up to it and it might do you both a word of good. You can do this. You will do this. You will survive. And when you look back you will always have those memories of this stressful time. But let's look to the future and think hopefully about how your second childbirth will be a cancer free one! Joystars, hang in there.
My mantra is this whole thing is that I'll try anything and everything that anyone suggests. Why not? It can't hurt. It only has the potential to get me better. I'm doing herbs, homeopathic, acupuncture, laugh therapy, yoga, support groups, oh yeah, and chemo. I actually, logged in tonight with some good news. Great news! I feel like we need more in a world where there isn't always a lot.
The side effects this time around can only be described as 100% different than last time. I'm functional! That alone seems like a triumph over the misery of last time.
The first day was hard - I couldn't really eat, was as pale as a ghost, and had bad nausea. But I took all of the meds they prescribed plus 2 new homeopathic meds to get rid of nausea and a few hours later was feeling good enough to lay down and sleep.
This morning I took both prescription meds and homeopathic meds before getting out of bed and was even able to eat breakfast! Managed to keep down lunch and some dinner. Even had enough energy to help put the kids to bed!
I spoke with a friend today who is a cancer survivor and she said the key to chemo is keeping the side effects at bay. She is SO right.
I went in this afternoon for neulasta shot. This time I'm armed with Claratin and 2 homeopathic meds designed to help reduce the pain. My back is a bit sore already, but not nearly as bad as last time. I'm hoping I'll be functional again tomorrow.
Hurray for doing a better job of managing the side effects!
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joystars- congrats on the new baby. she will be your strength through your treatment. take help when offered and nap with your baby. you are the most important person right now!! - my prayers are with you and your family.
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Hi All - After the longest weekend of my life I finally started chemo this week. Had all my scans sent to Stanford prior to starting the trial. Then got a call from the onc saying that the PET/CT now had an addendum saying that there was a possible bone met in my lower spine (10 mm questionable spot). This was Friday at 3. So, I rushed over for a 4:00 spinal MRI and then waited all week to see if I was Stage IV.....turns out it was an overgrowth of blood vessels! Huge relief! So, I got my transfusion on Monday and my first dose yesterday! I'm doing the trial first with gemcitabine/Carboplatin/PARP for 6 3-week cycles and will follow up with post-surgery DD/AC + T. Going to be a long year but I am glad to be started. Feeling pretty good today - some issues with nausea last night but took my Zofran ahead of schedule along with Ativan and it really helped. 1 visit down, 23 to go for the trial!!
Tonlee - glad to hear you made it out of the hospital in time for Christmas. You are my motivation - when I'm feeling like just staying on the couch and asking my husband to fetch things for me I think about you running the hospital stairs! Not sure I'll ever be as motivated as you but it's good to have a goal!
Joystars - My heart broke when I read your post - I am so sorry that this awful diesease is happening at all, but especially in that wonderful period of welcoming your child and the wonder and joy that goes along with it. I will be thinking of you and hoping that you are surrounded with all the support you need to get through this and back to health to enjoy your family and little girl.
Hope everyone else had minimal SE's and a happy holiday!
Donna
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meglove, yes i am on the neulasta shot. the onc said even with it, it was still shocking how good the counts were. I am praying to continue on that road. i have to say though i has more nausea last night than i think i did last time. had to call the onc and we tried a different combo of meds, 1 kytril tablet and an ativan under my tounge. wow! helped alot!!! was able to eat some plain old noodles after that kicked it! lol.. the kytril doesn't cause the trememdous headaches in me like the zofran does. but everyone is different. heck, the SE's this time even seem to be different than last time, and it's the same dose and same meds! go figure!! good luck to all this week. going to get all dressed up in my Boise State Gear when I go get my neulasta shot today. they are playing in a bowl game tonight, and my chemo nurse loves them as well!! hope everyone has a low SE day! (((HUGS)))- ANGEL
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Hello ladies! I am popping over from the "Starting Chemotherapy in August of 2009" group, aka "August Amazons" and am posting to the October & November forums as well. I became an "Amazon" back when I was diagnosed with IDC (ER+/PR+, HER2+) in June of 2009. Since then, I had two lumpectomies, a double mastectomy, TE reconstruction and, finally, nipple reconstruction about 6 weeks ago. This is certainly a different holiday experience for me this year than it was last year, when I was still recovering from the effects of chemo.
First, let me say how sorry I am that you are going through this. It's amazing how much strength you can find when you have to. Second, I found this forum extremely helpful throughout my treatment and wanted to share with those of you that have started chemo recently, that I have written a book about my experience. It's not just my story (mine is really no different from anyone else's), but also includes medical information in the form of Q&A. For example, "What is breast cancer?", "What are my reconstruction options", "What is chemotherapy", etc. I am a scientist, so my journey through bc was very much about learning everything that I could about this disease. My hope is that women such as yourselves, either recently diagnosed or long through with treatment, will find the book to be a helpful resource. If you are interested, you can check out "All the Wiser", on Amazon.com. It won't be in print until January, but it can be pre-ordered.
I don't claim to be an expert on bc, but I did go through it and am happy to share my experience with you if you have any questions about the process. That's what's great about these forums, there are so many women to leverage. I'd like to help, if I can.
BTW, do you have a group name? I didn't see one. It made it kind of fun for us to have one.
Happy Holidays . . . just keep your eye on the prize . . . next Christmas will be very different for you all.
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Hi Ladies
Just wanted to say hello to all of you and join the club. I've been posting on the forum in the last 2 weeks but have missed this thread. And it took me quite a while to catch up with all of you.
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I had a extremely aggressive tumor, the lump in my left breast is twice the size of my right breast, and it happened just within a few days. My doctors suspected me of having IBC at the very beginning so they pushed my treatment plan even before my biopsy results became clear. As a result, I ended up having my first chemo on Dec 13, only 2 weeks after I felt the lump and went to see a doctor. A rollercoaster ride for me.
My current plan is 4xAC for every two weeks, and followed by 4x Taxol after, and a Neulasta shot a day after the AC. But they may change the plan later if my receptor status became a bit clearer (yeah, I am 9 days away from my first chemo and they don't know yet all my receptor status because they have to fish for my HER).
So far, i would say the chemo is really much less scary than I have originally anticipated. I had some mild nausea and fatigue in the first few days, but from day 4 onwards it was just getting better and better. My next chemo will start on the 27th, and I certainly hope it won't get too much worse.
I also had my hair cut short to prepare for the hair loss, and at the moment I am loving my short hair, hopefully I can keep it for a bit longer. The wig shopping is on my agenda too, my insurance company said the wig is covered if it's in-network, but the person I spoke to couldn't find me any wig store that is in their system. Does anyone have similar experience?
HUGS
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How do you ladies stand the Neulasta shots. The chemo doesn't bother me at all in comparison. I get my chemo of DD AC on Wednesday mornings and feel fine until Thursday about one hour after I get my Neulasta shot. Then the bone pain begins so I take Vicodin and get all weak and foggy and still have the bone pain. I am miserable for 4 days...can't eat, can't sleep, can't sit still, etc. I need to know your secret to handling the shot. Many thanks for your suggestions.
Nancy
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I did duly 10 neupogen shot and turned out my wbc is 15, holy molly. I hope the onc can drop the No of neupogen. does anybody else do only a few neupogens? SE of neupogen is possible splenic rupture.
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Nancy -- I haven't started chemo yet, so I'm not speaking from experience ( I start next week). I have seen a lot of women posting about using Claritin (not sure if Clairitn or Claritin D) starting the day before the shot, and continuing for 4-5 days after. I haven't asked my oncologist about this yet, plan to do that tomorrow on my final appointment before my first chemo treatment.
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Hi all,
I greatly apologize for posting information about my book. At the time, I was unaware of the rules against this and my true intentions are to help people. I regret that my intentions came off in a negative way. Regardless, I have been where you are now and will help in any way that I can.
I have removed my post and thank you for your understanding.
K
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I have also removed the reference to my book from my signature.
K
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Hi Lisa,
I tried Claridin on the 4th day but by that time the pain was starting to ease up. I don't know why some of us get Neupogen and some get Neulasta. It sounds like Neupogen is easier to handle. I wonder how I would feel if I didn't get either of them? I think the chemo would be a lot more doable. Thinking about getting that shot for another 3 months makes me sad and nervous. I planned on working thru chemo but that's not happening. I'm just happy if I can get rest and sit still without bone pain. I gave birth naturally to two children, had 34 radiation treatments, lumpectomy, gallestone the size of a golf ball, etc but nothing compares to the pain from Neulasta. My Oncologist said to take 12 vicodin a day or switch to morphine. I think that would make me comotose. Sorry to be a winer....have a good night.
Take care,
Nancy
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i have left side upper gastric pain-- then in starts in my ribs and back. vicodin was an option but i elected percocet. to me, it lasts longer. and if i back it with advil (onc suggested) it lasts even longer, and i only end up taking 3-4 a day vs 2 vicodin every 4-6 hours. that is for the neulasta pain by the way. the fact that my counts didn't drop during my first chemo, makes the few days of neulasta pain worth it for me!
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Nancy,
I didn't take Neulasta and 8 days after my first treatment I was hospitalized for 5 days. A simple upper respiratory crud, or a UTI and BAM! Down for FIVE days, in the hospital. Neulasta is being added to my regimen.
Some of the women say taking claritin helps. If it doesn't help you, maybe ask your Onc for the Neupogen shots. They are taken at home, in the stomach, generally for 10 days after treatment (or as determined by your Onc). I took them in the hospital with no SEs.
I dread "N" now because but at this point it is the lesser of two evils. I can't stand being in the hospital. It's the most unhealthy place I've ever been.
Hang in there Nancy. Try the claritin. Keep us posted!
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my wife got a neulasta shot the day after her first TCH, she was ok the day after, but on day 2 developed a bad headache and soreness/pain in her neck, upper back and legs. A couple of aleve really helped. Our Onc said they are fine to take once in a while.
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Off to 2nd chemo, why did I make that appt for 7:15 a.m!! not much sleep as the steroid war has begun!! hoping for the same minor s/e, but I am off til Jan4th so no worries about going back to work this time. Hope everyone having treatment today does well. Armed with ice chips for mouth, hand and feet again!! People think I'm nuts at infusion, but oh well!! Today we (my "chemo' buddy_ are bringing lights, ginger bread (real ginger for nausea) and santa hats to wear, if ya gotta go it, it may as well be a bit festive!!
I did talk with onc about N shot again, and she again said they expect the levels to go down first 7-10 days, then they shoot back up if things go "normally" and that's what happend with me. She doesn't want to give the shot 'for no reason" and it is another thing going into my body, that it just doesn't need right now. If I had "A" she said I would be getting it without fail or if week two I was low. Guess they all have their differences of care when it comes to certain treatments.
Wishing everyone having treatment today a s/e free journey.
JoAnn
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My second treatment was on Tuesday, December 21. I spoke to my onc about my last bouts nausea and she put me on Ativin. I've been taking it with the Emmend but was woken up this morning with queasiness and took both. Feeling very week and a couple of facial hot flashes.
My hair is falling out like a bad shedding dog today. My friend Katherine cut it short on monday and it's getting shorter every day. I'm ok with it after a hard crying day. I have to keep the focus on the main program--killing the cancer.
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Joann,
That is exactly what my Onc said. And if you can stay away from people those first 7-10 days, you will probably be ok.
I can't do that with two kids. It is impossible. So when my WBC dropped, that upper respiratory thing attacked..and once I was down with that, a UTI decided to give me problems.
One thing I did, and everyone here will call me stupid I know...I went to the mall day 5 & 6 after treatment, and spend most of that time in the kiddie play area.
8 days after treatment I took my youngest in for the flu vaccine. They gave him the mist, and I was wiping his nose with my bare hand because it ran once we hit the parking lot. I washed my hands but..welll....
Duh.
But I was in mommy mode. I didn't think about it being a live virus (the mist is, the shot is not). They weren't supposed to give him the mist since I am on chemo but they did because well, he's 7 and terrified of needles (What 7 year old isn't?).
Two days later, I was in the hospital with an upper respiratory thing.
Also I wasn't eating right calorie and protein wise.
All that to say, if you are careful that first 7-10 days after treatment I think you'll be ok as far as picking anything up. (I believe that is the window 7-10 days...anyone?)
I have met many women who never took the Neulasta shot and did fine.
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Spartina,
The back of my hair fell between my shoulder blades. In the last three days it has fallen out to such a degree it is now barely to my shoulders, and thin. Guess those longer hairs went first.
I bought some fabulous hat hair. And watched several videos on youtube on how to wear a wig so it doesn't scream WIG...I find black women much more informative about tips and tricks than white women on youtube.
Hang in there sister.
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Hello to all my fellow December 2010 Chemo sisters!
I will get my first chemo on Dec. 30th. I'm TN with no cancer in my lymph nodes so my treatment will be 4 rounds of Taxotere & Cytoxin followed by radiation. My med/onc is not giving me a neulasta shot. He said that the insurance co. fights them on it and if they don't pay for it, it would cost me about $2000 per shot!?!
How many of you went back to work and when??? I was hoping to go back to the office the following week and leaving when I feel tired...any thoughts?
Thanks for all the great information!
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Dear December Ladies,
I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas with little or no SE's
Mommafluff61- I had chemo on the 14th and was able to return to work a few hours on the 16 and 17 and have worked full time this past week. I think I have been one of the lucky one's with very little side effects. Some headaches, my taste bud not working and achey. I go in on the 28th to see my onc and he will tell me if I need the neulasta shot. I did not have to have it the 1st time. So far I haven't lost my hair. I feel very fortunate.
Prayers and Hugs for all ~leslie
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on day 3 of second treatment. hating life today to be honest! having a hard time eating and drinking!! but i gotta keep thinking,,,, this is killing cancer!! hair is falling out too.... especially in the "nether region"
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Happy Holidays fellow December chemo gals.
I have had terrible bone pain following the Nuelesta shot for a week now. Blood taken on day 6 had a white bc of 1.5. Onc said that was fine and it would be better by next week. Does that seem about right to you more knowledgable ladies?
Also, are there any diabetics out there? My sugar shot WAY up when I was on the steriods. I'm trying to get in to the regular doctor to maybe get more meds to help with the side effects of the meds that help with the side effects of the meds that are supposed to cure me of cancer. I feel like a walking pharmacy already.
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