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  • Lynn18
    Lynn18 Member Posts: 416
    edited December 2010

    Heiditoo:  Interesting information about PARP.  I wonder when it will be available to any of us that need it.

    MonikaV:  Love your new picture.

    About sugar and cancer, I don't know if "sugar feeds cancer", but I have read in several places that triple negative patients are more likely than other breast cancer types to have "metabolic syndrome", which is associated with insulin resistance.  This would explain why exercise and a low-fat diet would benefit us especially.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited December 2010

    How do you test for insulin resistance if you're not a diabetic? I've had a fasting glucose tolerance test (trying to find reasons for my insomnia and fatigue), which was normal.

  • slcst12
    slcst12 Member Posts: 161
    edited December 2010

    Hi Ladies.
    Just wanted to pop in and say hello. I had my lumpectomy and SNB yesterday. Still quite a bit sore.

    So far, they did not find anything in my sentinel nodes!! I have follow ups with everyone on Jan 4th.

    Happy Holidays to everyone!

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited December 2010

    I've not been posting much due to finally feeling a bit better.  My fever finally broke Wednesday when I switched antibiotics, and my back pain went away too.  Just had chemo #2 yesterday... halfway done!  They reduced the amount some and getting Neulasta today.  Just wanted to pop in a moment and wish everyone Happy Holidays!

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited December 2010

    Titan~ WHat do you do in the food industry? Just curious...

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited December 2010
    Titan~ WHat do you do in the food industry? Just curious...
  • tnbcRuth
    tnbcRuth Member Posts: 454
    edited December 2010

    Hyde- water makes me sick too!!  I can only take very small sips and have tried everything from tap to filtered.  I read that the carbonation irritates the stomach lining, thus stimulating it to begin digestion, so that Mt. Dew is doing its work.  As much as I'm sick of coke, etc., I include a few sips with lunch and dinner.   My motto:  everything in moderation.  (and I think I will begin to watch my Country of Origin).

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2010

    Ruth I think I agree everything in moderation. It's all so confusing at times! All I can do is try my best to beat this monster. 

  • kelben
    kelben Member Posts: 269
    edited December 2010

    I know I've seen this posted somewhere, so I apologize if it was here, but I have to ask.  What kind of follow up is everyone getting??   I would expect that with TN we would be checked more often??  My onc. doesn't want to see me until next Sept.  that's a long way away, and it makes me very nervous. Am I being paranoid or is this the norm. for you??

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited December 2010
    Kelben - that IS a long time before seeing your onc. Do you see anyone else? I know some see BS and or radiology onc too. I see my onc every three months with blood work done the day before. Other than my PCP that is it. My onc is also in the no scan unless or until symptoms suggest they are needed camp which not everyone is comfortable with. I think you'll find 3 months is fairly common.
  • kelben
    kelben Member Posts: 269
    edited December 2010

    thanks Gilly for the info.  I will be seeing my GP in Feb. for my yearly check up, so I guess that's when I'll ask about scans, bld. work etc.  I may call the cancer clinic for more info., as they were the best during chemo.

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited December 2010

    slcst12:  Congratulations!  Rest up and take it easy and be well.

    Titan:  I am all about local farming and small farming it's big companies that do awful things with our food supply.  Ever since I saw that movie Food, Inc I can no longer have anything to do with non organic dairy products.  I ate all of the food off of my inlaws farm and it was delicious.  Corn fed anything equals fat and we TN's need to keep our weight down and grass fed has been the natural way until...well, I am not going to rant this morning, I promise.  I worked in the food industry while putting myself through college and there are many regulations in the US, but after going to Europe and comparing quality of what we get here, it really opened my eyes.  Compare an orgainc egg against mass produced, thin shelled, tasteless corn fed eggs and you still don't come close to the problem.  Chickens that never see the light of day and that live on top of each other in each others poop produce enemic products with no vitamin D!  Cows are fed to fatten quick to market not to produce a quality product.  The corn industry and the fat that it creates in us is out of control.  I agree with the local farmer that would rathjer give a sick animal medicine rather then putting it down, but again, I am talking about mass produced food in unsanitary conditions.  Sorry, I did say I wouldn't rant.  Oh yeah, our food is grown in soil made of war byproduct chemicals not grass fed cow maneure.  So we aren't getting the vitamins and nutrients that we would. 

    I eat dark, organic chocolate, I drink Red Wine, I eat grass fed meat.  I also eat lots and lots of vegis and fruits.  I am no angel here, I just think we need to get back to the basics in farming and putting the health of the animals first and on their natural diet in a healthy enviornment so that they produce healthy food. 

    Getting down off of my soapbox.  Now.  sorry.

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited December 2010

    cc4npg:  So glad you are feeling better and that they switched your meds.  Hugs.

  • Lovelyface
    Lovelyface Member Posts: 674
    edited December 2010

    Claire82 - thanks for reminding us that "When we hit 5 years, we are better off than them". Makes me have smile on my face today.

    Yeah! the study was pretty awesome, as I am currently in the process of making my decision.  I mean my case is a little different because I have high risk on the right side, having atypia cells, etc.  Even then, I feel that I would rather be on close watch and high risk, then have a mastectomy, not sure why.  I guess I am just too attached to my girls, which really shouldn't be the case.  One should make the right decision based on all their findings.

    MBJ - I love all your posts, thanks.  I am doing much better today, 6th day after taxol, taking a cough suppresant and seeing a nurse this afternoon, I guess so that she can just check my chest.  I have been coughing, although I now feel that it is probably coming from a slight infection due to phlem. The Oncall doc recommended a chest xray, but I really hate to have that, any radiation scares me as I have those atypical cells in my R. Breast, which will always worry me from now on, hoping they won't turn into cancer.

    Anyone going back to work with a wig on?  I don't think I can stand that thing for 8 long hours, it drives me crazy even after a few hours.  I may be finishing rads by mid Feb and I am certain my hair will not grow an inch by then.  I am completely bald right now, however, I had heard somewhere that hair starts to grow  a little bit, by the time of your second last treatment.  I have one more treatment to go, but was hoping my hair would at least sprout some by now.  But no way, my head seems to be shining even more.  Does anyone have any great hopeful hair growth experiences?

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited August 2013

    Lovelyface 

    My hair is currently like a low army boy hair cut. I have started using Mindoxil on it and it's maintaining but I have two more treatments to go so we shall see.

    And I am African American btw and I use bonding glue which is applied to your hair/scalp, and it feels so much more comfortable and looks absolutely REAL. Thank GOD my AA sisters loving WEAVES or I would be loss. I can't do the wig it's so uncomfortable. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2013
    SUMMARYOncologySTAT Editorial TeamEvidence from the last 30 years indicates that women with breast cancer who are obese have a poor prognosis compared with their leaner counterparts. In this study by Ewertz et all, Danish investigators examined the effect of increased body mass index (BMI) on the risk of recurrence and death from breast cancer or other causes. The investigators retrospectively analyzed data from the Danish Breast Cancer Cooperative Group (DBCG) database, which includes information from nationwide clinical trials of adjuvant treatment of early-stage breast cancer from 1977 onward. Follow-up data for death were obtained via linkage to the Danish Civil Registration System. Cause of death obtained from death certificates was related to breast cancer or other causes.The analysis included 53,816 women treated between 1977 and 2006. Systemic treatment regimens until 1999 consisted of cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, and fluorouracil. From 1999 to 2006, treatment consisted of cyclophosphamide, epirubicin, and fluorouracil. Docetaxel and trastuzumab were received by 32 and 294 patients, respectively. Tamoxifen was given for a duration of 1 to 5 years. Aromatase inhibitors were used in approximately 3000 patients. Patients were followed for a 10-year period or until recurrence, second malignancy, or death.Patients were categorized into four categories based on BMI: < 25 kg/m2, 25 to 29 kg/m2, ≥ 30 kg/m2, and unknown. Women with unknown BMI (n = 34,849) tended to be older and postmenopausal, and to have tumors with more favorable pathologic factors. Compared with women who had known BMI (n = 18,967), their tumors were more likely to be estrogen-receptor (ER) positive and adjuvant therapy was less likely to be given. ER status did not differ significantly among women with known BMI (P = .40).Women with BMI > 30 (n = 2338) were significantly older (P < .001) and more likely to be postmenopausal (P < .001), as well as having larger tumors (P < .001), ductal grade 3 tumors (P = .04), and a higher number of positive lymph nodes (P < .001) than women with BMI < 25 (n = 11,490), but had less invasion of deep fascia (P < .001).After a median follow-up of 7.1 years, 4180 locoregional recurrences and 7278 distant metastases were reported, including 1544 and 3277, respectively, in women with known BMI. No significant difference in incidence of locoregional recurrence was observed among the groups with known BMI at 10 years (cumulative incidence, 10%, with overlapping 95% confidence interval [CI], 8.2%–11.2%). However, significant differences in the incidence of distant metastases became evident after 3 years. At 10 years, the cumulative incidence of distant metastases for the BMI < 25 kg/m2, BMI 25 to 29 kg/m2, and BMI > 30 kg/m2 groups were 20.1% (95% CI, 19.2%–20. 9%), 22.4% (95% CI, 21.1%–23.8%), and 24.3% (95% CI, 22.1% –26.5%), respectively. In an analysis adjusting for prognostic factors, BMI > 25 kg/m2 was significantly associated with increased risk of developing distant metastases (from 42%–46%) beginning at 5 to 10 years of follow-up.After a median of 11.4 years, 15,197 patients had died from breast cancer. Among patients with known BMI, a trend for increased risk of death with increasing BMI was observed. The cumulative of dying from breast cancer at 30 years for the BMI < 25 kg/m2, BMI 25 to 29 kg/m2, and BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2 groups were 46.4%, 53.4%, and 57.2%, respectively. The same was true for the risk of dying from a non–breast cancer related cause (cumulative risk: 28.2%, 29.6%, and 34.0%, respectively).In multivariate analysis, the risk of dying from breast cancer increased after 10 years with increasing BMI. Compared with the < 25 kg/m2 group, the hazard ratios (HRs) for the BMI 25 to 29 kg/m2 and BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2 groups were 1.26 and 1.38, respectively. The risk of dying from non–breast cancer related cause at 10 years was also increased in the BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2 group when compared with women with lower BMI (HR, 1.31).During the first 10 years of follow-up, the efficacy of adjuvant therapy was similar among all groups with known BMI. However, after 10 years both chemotherapy and endocrine therapy appeared to be less effective in the BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2 group (HR, 1.33).The results of this large retrospective study support those of previous trials, confirming that women diagnosed with early-stage breast cancer who have a BMI exceeding 25 kg/m2 are more likely to present with poor-prognosis disease and are at higher risk for distant metastases and death than are leaner women. In addition, adjuvant therapy appears to lose efficacy in these women after 10 years.
  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2010

    Thanks Heidi..really needed to read that after I have had candy and Christmas cookies and chips all day..couldn't you have waited to post that until AFTER the Holidays?  Smile

    I will go for a walk tonight...me and my muffin tops!

  • kelben
    kelben Member Posts: 269
    edited December 2010

    Yikes, I'm doomed

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2010

    Oh no Kelben..don't say that!  We will all get lean together!

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited December 2010

    Kelben -

    That is much too long to wait to be seen.  Of course, I can only speak for myself, but I assure you - I  would be looking for a new oncologist immediately. 

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited December 2010

    To go hand and hand with Heidi's posting - but this one gives a different slant.  would be so nice if ALL the abstracts, and all the medical folks could all agree on some of these things once in awhile!!!

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/210960.php

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2010

    Oh..and agree with everyone else..you should see your onc every 3 months at least for 2 or 3 years....I think that is basically standard of care of everyone who has breast cancer..not just tn's.....

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2010

    I guess I have joined the DOOMED club as well because I have been cheating this past month and I need to shed a few pounds.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Hey--- I only post the stuff when it arrives in my mailbox! Blame Oncology Journal for the lousy timing. Innocent

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited December 2010
    Or - I may just be trying to make my 25 extra lbs feel more comfortable and less deadly on my short-sized frame.  Plus, it was  probably the ONLY article I have EVER read since being diagnosed that didn't zero in on another terribly negative aspect of triple neg!  Now, if I could only grow 5 more inches and be 5'8" - then I'd have no extra poundage!  A girl can dream......
  • kelben
    kelben Member Posts: 269
    edited December 2010

    Thanks guys, thats what I thought.   I phoned the cancer clinic in Sudbury and the onc. nurse agreed with onc that once a year, with regular visits to GP is all that is ordered for me.  She said they don't go looking for spots, but if I find one that doesn't go away, go to my doctor, have it checked out and then she (GP) will decide what to do.  Results if they are positive for a cancer then they wait until it is bothering me and only then would they do chemo again, or surgery or whatever is needed.    Geez, no wonder I'm fat.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited December 2010

    I see my onc every three months, my surgical onc I've seen three times in the last year and I've seem my GP several times in the last year for some non-cancer related stuff.  I feel like I live at the dr's office.  And.......they all work at the same facility. I do think the surgical onc visits will fade away, as he and the onc feel they both don't need to do the same thing. 

    I so need to get back to healthier eating......I was doing really good, then the holidays and some family stress and I'm just not doing what I should.  Ugh!!!!  The old saying you are what you eat.....I really can feel the difference in my energy levels when I eat badly and don't walk (the fluff is really bothering me).

  • Lynn18
    Lynn18 Member Posts: 416
    edited December 2010

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19851862

    Here is another link, about metabolic syndrome and TN.  I believe you can be thin and still have metabolic syndrome.

  • Lynn18
    Lynn18 Member Posts: 416
    edited December 2010

    Riley702:  I don't know if there is a test for insulin resistance but if your fasting glucose levels were normal, I would think you wouldn't have insulin resistance.  I've been going through the same treatment you have, MX, then rads (neo chemo.)

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2010

    Kelben..are you OK with that?  I mean, I love my GP but he is not trained in oncology..I dunno..do you think it is an insurance thing? 

    It's OK Heidi...I get the oncology reports e-mailed to me too....

    I wasn't fat at all when I was diagnosed...I was a size 8...I weighed 125 lbs.  and I'm 5'5"..I looked damn good..now I'm still 5'5" but I weigh 150 lbs...25 pounds in 2 years!  Ok..chemo weight and maybe I needed a few lbs..but now I have the muffin tops going..I have a gut and my breasts went up a size...36 C! 

    So enough of that...but..I really don't think most of us tn's are/were  obese...at diagnosis..sometimes I think these studies aren't correct.

    Gosh..the study sounds like we are a bunch of fat slobs just asking to get cancer because we like to eat...and I think that is far from the truth...

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