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  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    I just found this on The Shen Clinic Website (a C.A.M. clinic in the UK) . I dont know how scientific it is but thought it was interesting. I think I might try it.

    Put a glass of water on your bedside table before you go to bed. (clear glass so you can see through it). As soon as you wake, spit into the water. Dont try to gather spit, just spit what's there. After 15 minutes, gently swirl it around a bit. Then hold it up to the light. If it stays on top of the water or dissolves that's a good indication that you do not have a yeast problem. If the water turns cloudy or "legs" appear descending down through the water, you may have a candida imbalance.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Impositive, I've tried that several months before my candida infection, and it was clear of floating legs. In the middle of the infection it was positive. So...I'm not sure either.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Yeah....still not sure. I tried it this morning and I'm not sure how to interpret it. The water wasn't cloudy, it just looked like little particles floating throughout. Some were "stringy" but I wouldn't describe them as "legs", more like stringy strands floating almost horizontal. 

    Probably not very scientific because of water quality etc., just thought it might be an interesting little experiment.

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited December 2010

    Only commenting I love the statement:...I am not only preventing a reoccurrence, I am trying to improve overall.

    Great statement that's what it's all about improving your overall healthy and well being. 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    ScienceDaily (Apr. 27, 2007) - Researchers at Johns Hopkins have discovered to their surprise that a drug commonly used to treat toenail fungus can also block angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels commonly seen in cancers. The drug, itraconazole, already is FDA approved for human use, which may fast-track its availability as an antiangiogenesis drug.

    As an antifungal drug, itraconazole blocks a key enzyme for making fungal cholesterol, causing these primitive life forms to become fragile and break apart. It turns out that itraconazole can block the same enzyme in blood vessels, but the researchers aren't positive if that's the reason blood vessels stop growing, because related antifungal drugs had much lower inhibitory effect.

    While the researchers still must tease out exactly how itraconazole works to stop vessel growth, and test it in animals with cancer, they have high hopes for its use. "Itraconazole can be taken orally for fungal infection, and therefore oral delivery may work for angiogenesis as well," Liu notes.

    The research was funded by the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, the Johns Hopkins Fund for Medical Discovery, the Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute, the Keck Foundation, and the Flight Attendant Medical Research Institute Fund.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070427120221.htm

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Impositive...I read somewhere that the "stringy" were called "legs" . There are other ways to tell if you have a fungi infection ... copied from the Internet.

    HOW DO YOU RECOGNIZE A FUNGAL PROBLEM? The most common symptoms are vaginal yeast infections, sinus problems, digestive problems like heartburn, headaches, itchy scalp, ringing in the ears, sore joints, athlete's foot, jock itch and even high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and blood sugar ratings that are out of whack...also being over weight...

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    Aflatoxin Found In
    Human Breast Cancer Tissue

    Harrison et al. (1993) examined human breast cancer tissue for evidence of the presence of aflatoxin, a recognized potent carcinogenic mycotoxin.

     The researchers examined human DNA from a variety of tissues and organs to identify and quantify aflatoxin DNA-adducts. Such adducts are considered to be proof of the mycotoxin's presence in a particular tissue. (These researchers had already proved the value of this method in the detection of aflatoxin-DNA adducts in tissue from a case of acute aflatoxin poisoning in Southeast Asia.)

    DNA from normal and tumorous tissue obtained from patients with cancer of the breast was examined. Tumor tissues had higher aflatoxin-adduct levels than did normal tissue from the same individual.

    The result of this study is that it verifies the presence of carcinogenic aflatoxin within the cancer tissue and thus implicates aflatoxin as a cause of breast cancer.

    http://www.fungalbionicbookseries.com/bc-hope.htm

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    I love when we run across articles like this.  It lends so much to this theory but at the same time frustrates me so!  I can just see the scientists (who are brilliant people, btw) sitting around scratching their heads and saying "Hmmmm, Itraconazole blocks a key enzyme for making fungal cholesterol therefore causing it to die and it can also block the same enzyme in blood vessels blocking angiogenesis....we just can't figure out why this works."  HEELLO? Could it be  because fungi are creating these new vessels because they need nutrients and killing the fungi stops this abnormal growth of blood vessels???  This article was written over 3 years ago. I wonder what happened to the further research?

    Barry, I'm sure I have a fungal problem so maybe the test has some merit then. I'm hoping once I get rid of this root canal tooth, I can eradicate it once and for all! The only symptoms I have from above are definitely the itchy scalp and I am struggling to lose 25 lbs. (20 of which I gained after my diagnosis.) 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010
    Hey Barrry, I'm getting that book for myself for Christmas. (Breast Cancer, Hope at Last from the fungalbionics book series) I'll be burying my head in books for a long time to come.  I'm so excited! 
  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    Impositive, while reading, take good notes and keep us informed on anything new you come up with especially in regard to the Breast Cancer Hope book. You're going to have to be a spokes/woman on the fungal theory :)

    After my mouth healed up, I gave myself permission to enjoy the foods of the holiday seasons. I can tell that the candida is crawling under my skin. In a few weeks, I'm going back on the yeast cleansing. I just hope that my ignorance of candida over growth in the last few years hasn't caused a recurrence of bc or anything else. I would like to get a prescription of a strong anti-fungal presecription to give my body a good jumpstart in ridding myself of yeast.

    Teeth...If mercury is causing my problems then there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. Some people have the money to remove their fillings and to cap them or get dentures. Most people don't have that kind of money. In my opinion...a good diet, free of sugars, and a strong immune system (along with pro-biotics and needed supplements) can keep the yeast under control. I've read testimonies of people who had their fillings removed and struggled with candida overgrowth. I also read that the only real problem comes when you try to remove them or clean in them. If you are going to remove your fillings, you need to find someone, who is qualified to do it or you could make your problem worse...as I read.

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2010

    Teeth...If mercury is causing my problems then there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. Some people have the money to remove their fillings and to cap them or get dentures. Most people don't have that kind of money. In my opinion...a good diet, free of sugars, and a strong immune system (along with pro-biotics and needed supplements) can keep the yeast under control. I've read testimonies of people who had their fillings removed and struggled with candida overgrowth. I also read that the only real problem comes when you try to remove them or clean in them. If you are going to remove your fillings, you need to find someone, who is qualified to do it or you could make your problem worse...as I read.

    Also, there are natural things that help detox mercury and other heavy metals, like cilantro.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    Impositive...you mentioned ichy scalp. I've had a little of that the past few weeks as well. Notice, women's vaginal, men's jock, and other yeast type infecions all itch? My son, and a good friend suffer with pysorsis. There are links to it being candida. Pysorisis is very ichy, and white (like yeast infections). Pysorisis is also a autoimmune disease. Unfortunately, most med's given for pysorisis are immune suppessent which in effect makes it worse. Why in the world if medicine knows it's candida overgrowth, prescribe something that's goings to exasberate the condiditon?

    If Candida is your psoriasis causes, the best way to treat it is with a Candida treatment program. This program is composed of Six Steps that work together to conquer your Candida overgrowth. The Six Steps include all natural anti-fungals as well as a special diet to kill the fungus.

    Many of the studies listed here treated the Candida overgrowth with oral nystatin. Nystatin, a weak antifungal drug, primarily targets intestinal yeast. It is fairly safe but there are side effects so use it only under a doctors supervision.

    In one study 9, 4 cases of long term, bodily psoriasis (10-25 years) were cured with oral nystatin within several months. In another study, nystatin treatment created a fast and long-lasting regression of seborrheic dermatitis. 3

    Nystatin is available by prescription only so you need to find a doctor that accepts Candida overgrowth as one of the psoriasis causes.

    • Wild Oil of Oregano, I read is a powerful antifungal supplement.
  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Psorasis..... Check out this phone interview Kaufmann had with a girl and her mother.

    The interview is about 7 minutes long.

    http://knowthecause.com/WatchTheShow/tabid/55/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/680/Kellie-Emily-fighting-Psoriasis.aspx

    I haven't went into mercury removal with my dentist yet. He is a biological dentist though and is familiar with the proper removal process. He was recommended by my NP. He is her dentist.  The issue first and foremost with me is my root canal tooth.

    Dr Meinig says of his book, The Root Canal Cover Up; "It's the story of how a "cast of millions" (of bacteria) become entrenched inside the structure of teeth and end up causing the largest number of diseases ever traced to a single source."   and "The "focal infection theory" states that germs from a central focal infection -- such as your teeth, teeth roots, inflamed gum tissues, or maybe tonsils -- metastasize to hearts, eyes, lungs, kidneys, or other organs, glands and tissues, establishing new areas of the same infection."

    Hardly theory any more, this has been proven and demonstrated many times over. It's 100 percent accepted today."

    "Microscopic organisms lurking in the maze of tubules simply migrate into the interior of the tooth and set up housekeeping. A filled root seems to be a favorite spot to start a new colony. One of the things that makes this difficult to understand is that large, relatively harmless bacteria common to the mouth, change and adapt to new conditions. They shrink in size to fit the cramped quarters and even learn how to exist (and thrive!) on very little food. Those that need oxygen mutate and become able to get along without it. In the process of adaptation these formerly friendly "normal" organisms become pathogenic (capable of producing disease) and more virulent (stronger) and they produce much more potent toxins."

    FUNGI !

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    If it's the case that rootcanals and fillings are the root to all of our diseases, why try...I'm doomed!

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 1,083
    edited December 2010

    Why not try the oil of oregano for the fungi, bacteria, yeast and infections? I just bought some yesterday. I'm very excited about it! You have to be on a really good probiotic to replace the good stuff. I bought the North American stuff. It is pricey but supposed to be the best. I will keep you posted on how I feel.

    I'm doomed also barry! I did have my mercury fillings removed but I do have a couple of root canals. I'm hoping if they are infected the oil of oregano will clear them up. I think there is some merit to the root canal theory but given how many people have root canals these days, I don't see why anyone is alive to tell about them if all that is true. Just my thoughts!

    Love to all, Patty

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited December 2010

    where do u get coconut oil and oil of oregano?

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited December 2010

    I am headed to the health food store and am getting oil of oregano. I buy my coconut oil @ the health food store also.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Claire82, I buy mine online (mostly). Here is where I have found the best prices for my Dr Ohiras probiotic and the krill oil I take. They have the bioactive Nutrients oregano oil there too and organic coconut oil. I also like the site because there are customer reviews of the products.

    Mynaturalmarket.com

    Seaotter, I take antifungals as well, but the thing they say about root canals is that the tooth is dead. Your blood supply can not get into that tooth so the microbes can set up house there and never be affected by the antimicobials we are taking.  They can eventually break away and migrate to other areas of the body. The point they make is, doctors would never leave an organ or something in your body that is dead because what would happen?  It would rot, cause infection and make you very sick. So why would they leave a dead tooth in your mouth?  Mine is abscessed right now so I know there is infection so it's coming out!!  I guess my mercury fillings will have to wait awhile.

    Barry, do you have any root canals?

    Also, I cook with coconut oil and love it but I have tried twice now to use it as a body moisturizer instead of lotion and I get a rash. I have dry skin so I must use something but even the organics have like 20 different ingredients (which bothers me). I also get a prickly itchy feeling when I use cn oil. I have tried to continue with it thinking may it's the fungus getting angry and causing rash and the itchy/prickly symptoms but after a couple of weeks, I usually cant stand it anymore. Anyone else have this experience? I may try olive oil but I just dont like the smell....  

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited August 2013

    Check out your cosmetics here: www.cosmeticsdatabase.com

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    Impositive, I have 3 root canals. All of my molars are filled. I have two molars capped. I don't know of any infection. One root canal has a very small cavity under it. Right now ... there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. One dentist did say that I need a deep cleaning and that was financially too costly as well.

    I did read that most of the mercury that is put into the teeth is leeched out into the body and that there isn't a lot left in the actual tooth. If this is true the goal should be to detox the mercury and other toxins out of the body. I read that Pau D Arco is great detoxer...the tea. In some cases, I read testimonies that it rid people of their tumors. Julia mentioned cilantro is a great detoxer of metals in our body. We use it in our salads. Tasty.

    If coconut oil is bothering you, try oregonal oil or avacado oil. Dry skin is a symptom of a thyroid problem. With all your thyroid symptoms, I would get your thyroid checked out. Check out Stop Thyroid Madness. They have links that could help you. Another consideration concerning dry skin...how much fat are you getting into your diet? Lack of good fats can dry out the skin. Another reason...a doctor said to me when in college (I complained about ichy dry skin) that taking daily showers, most soaps, and using lotion drys out the skin. He said if you constantly use lotions that our skin stops making it's own...also most lotions block our pores. I did what he said and my skin returned to normal. At post menapausal, my skin is soft and moist.

    Ichy head...I read, which I'm going to try as well... Wash your hair (clean head)  afterwards rub oregonal oil into the scalp. The next morning wash your hair. The oragano oil is anti fungal and gets rid of the fugus causing dandruff and fungi in the hair follicle.  I read testimonies where doing this or using other anti fungal oils helped women and men hair growth.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    BarabaA, thanks for the link, that will come in handy.

    Barry, I am with you on the mercury. Detox is what I need to work on. It's funny that Julia mentioned cilantro. The story I told about my die off actually included cilantro. The night before my violent flu-like symptoms, I had been cutting up tons of fresh veggies and I also made a fresh salsa that included lots of cilantro. I nibbled on the veggies dipped in the salsa all night. The next morning, I was vomiting and couldn't keep anything down. That was about 2 weeks into starting my "new" lifestyle. I made soup tonight with lots of cilantro too. Mmmmm.

    Avocado oil-What a great idea!

    I have had my thyroid checked by way of a blood test and saliva test. Both said I'm within normal range, however my NP said my adrenals were shot. I read somewhere that your thyroid could be working fine but if your adrenals are not, you might not be utilizing the hormone correctly (or something like that.) I 'think' I'm getting plenty of good fats. I take a krill oil supplement everyday. I eat olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, etc. I do struggle with drinking enough water though.

    It's interesting what your doc said. I have used lotions every single day after showering since my teens because of dry skin and only in the last year have those been organics.

    I had heard the same thing about your scalp, only using coconut oil. Only did it twice but didnt really seem to help.  I intend on getting some of that oregano oil so I will try that.

    Great ideas! Thanks. 

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2010

    Hehe, thanks to this thread (and others), I am right now sipping a glass of filtered water with Lugol's iodine, oil of oregano, and Pau D'Arco extract. Whooooooo, it's strong stuff! Die, fungi, die! LOL

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    LOL....You are a brave woman Julia!!!  

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited December 2010

    crunchy, blech, that sounds awful!  How does it taste?  ....I'm also trying to remember what springtime said about iodine when she had surgery coming up.  Can't recall the reason, but I think she was told to discontinue iodine prior to surgery.  Don't mean to hijack the thread, but my attention span still resembles a gnat...  The sloan kettering site says aloe vera juice has the effect of thinning blood and should be avoided prior to surgery.  I'm not aware that crunchy drinks aloe vera juice, but this is a snippet of information that seems permanently lodged in my brain, so I repost it periodically. 

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2010

    LOL, it was pretty awful (mainly because of the oil of oregano - that stuff is stuh-RONG if you don't dilute it enough). Althea, thanks for letting me know about discontinuing iodine -- yikes! I had discontinued everything else (all vitamins, any foods like flax that have an anti-coagulant effect, etc.) but I didn't even think to look up iodine. Well, I'll eat extra leafy greens today and tomorrow (good for healthy clotting) to make up for it. I will, however, be bathing my boob with iodine externally and not using the antibacterial garbage they gave me at the hospital (it has red dye #40 in it -- why in the WORLD??!). 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited December 2010

    I wasn't going to post again here, since it makes my head spin with frustration.  However, maybe we need to clarify the original topic title, "The Fungal Theory."  As Timothy pointed out, there are actually a lot of different "theories" in this thread. 

    The original post says:

    Has anyone researched the theory that cancer is fungal related? I have chosen to go the alternative route, refusing chemo and rads. I have done so much research since my dx that I feel I should receive some sort of degree! I have researched and studied this theory and find it very interesting. This theory is shared by various people including Dr.Tulio Simoncini, an Italian Oncologist who has (allegedly) had great success in treating cancer with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda!), Dr. Robert Young, a microbiologist who has wriiten several books on the body's pH, Dr. AV Constantini, former head of the World Health Organization, who wrote the book "Breast Cancer, Hope at Last" and Doug Kauffman who has a cable TV show called "Know the Cause" (His website is knowthecause.com).  

    My personal opinion on this topic is that it's nonsense quackery. "Dr." Robert Young, Dr. Tulio Simoncini, and Doug Kaufmann are all charlatans whose nonsense has been rejected and disproven (not just UNproven) by science and medical research many times over.  If you look to "Know The Cause" for your medical information, then .... good luck with that.  It's about as real as reality TV.

    The facts as I understand them (and please feel free to share if I'm wrong) are that yes-fungus is present in a lot of cancer patients and healthy people too.  Yes, some  specific viruses and mycotoxins are known to be carcinogenic. Viruses, yeast, bacteria, etc are opportunistic infections, to which a cancer patient is obviously susceptible. Motheroffoursons has pointed out multiple times the microscopic distinctions between cancer cells and fungus.  

    Trained pathologists and oncologists say that human breast cancer cells are NOT fungus. Why on earth would we, in general a group of nonmedical, untrained except by virtue of being thrown into this cancer world, PATIENTS presume to know more than all the researchers and medical doctors and pathologists, etc.?  Unless you firmly subscribe to some bizarre conspiracy theory and can't be bothered by facts, you'll realize that all the evidence lies solidly in the cancer-is-NOT-a-fungus camp.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    TEN THINGS I LEARNED SINCE IMPOSITIVE BEGUN THIS FUNGUS THEORY THREAD



    1. Fungus like cancer is an overgrowth of mutated cells. When parasitic yeast infiltrates an injury or infection, it acts in much the same way as the host cell - multiplying its growth factor. Fungus is present in cancerous tumors. flatoxin Found In

    Human Breast Cancer Tissue … Further, in a comprehensive study by Lankenau Hospital Research Institute and the Institute for Cancer Research (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania), researchers found fungi present in virtually all cancerous tumors they examined.



    2. Fungus (like in sinus cavities) build calcifications around it. Cancer builds calcification around it’s tumors.



    3. Both fungus and cancer ferment.. What is interesting is that cancer cells get their energy by fermenting (not oxygen). Candida is yeast fermenting. The cancers with the highest growth rates had the highest fermentation rates. The slower a cancer grew, the less it used fermentation to produce energy.



    4. Both fungus and cancer produce lactic acid. Cancer cells produce excess lactic acid as they ferment energy. This is toxic and helps to prevent the transport of oxygen into neighboring normal cells. And over time as these cells replicate, the cancer may spread if not destroyed by the immune system. When the immune system cannot kill cancerous cells faster then they develop, you get cancer



    5. Both, fungus and cancer angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels. Researchers at Johns Hopkins have discovered to their surprise that a drug commonly used to treat toenail fungus can also block angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels commonly seen in cancers. The drug, itraconazole, already is FDA approved for human use, which may fast-track its availability as an antiangiogenesis drug.



    6. Fungus/cancer change the DNA in the cell. Fungal DNA can incorporate with it's host's (human) DNA, forming a hybrid cell. Therefore, this new hybrid cell, by definition, has abnormal cell structure and an abnormal nucleus."(Cellular Interactions in Symbiosis and Parasitism Cook, C.B. Pappas, P.W. Rudolph, E.D. Ohio State University Press 1980)



    7. Estrogen Therapy Spreads Fungal Infection (not natural HRT) Urine collected from pregnant mares, used as a source of estrogen, also contains fungal estrogen and fumonisin from the fodder. These fungal growth factors cause abnormal growths. That's how estrogen therapy causes cysts and breast cancer. The same applies to hormonal therapy for prostate cancer …Tamoxifen is anti fungal? Fungi produce keratin cell-wall proteins (ergosterol) that blocks the healing process and forms tumors. Chemotherapy attacks fungal keratin production--not renegade cancer cells.



    8. Both cancer/fungus do not need oxygen…make their own energy by fermenting.



    9. Both use sugar to make energy or ferment.



    10. Both are DEADLY

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2010

    thenewme...I came to the thread basically sitting on the fence about the fungus theory. What made me sit up and think more about it was my recent candida infection. The doctors didn't even try to look for the cause of my problems. They just contributed my problem to heartburn. Heartburn wasn't even a problem for me! They wouldn't accept that I could have a oral yeast problem unless I had chemo or AIDS...even after 4 rounds of antibiotics. My primary doctor said that she only knew how to write a prescription. Thank God for the Internet...by my searching, I learned it was a yeast infection...once I eradicated the yeast, my mouth sores disappeared, dizzy spells gone, virtigo gone, white growth on tongue gone. For the first time in a several months, I felt normal...BECAUSE ... I searched for the root cause of my sickness.


    I'm amazed in all the years doctors prescribed antibiotics that they never said to take pro-biotics! Where's the medical wisdom in that?


    I recently spoke with a oncologist researcher, pharmasist (she is the daughter of a good friend) and...she has several degrees. She didn't think the fungal theory was bogus.

  • Janeluvsdogs
    Janeluvsdogs Member Posts: 242
    edited December 2010

    Thank God that all medical studies are accessible by anyone now and aren't just the property of intrenched "experts." The free availability of information can let anyone test the so-called accepted facts.

    This is just the beginning. The e-patient movement is moving research much faster. Independent scholars are creating a revolution.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited December 2010

    Barry, I couldn't have said it better......

    I basically dared thenewme to come back over to this thread when I was over on the Issel Clinic thread. I pointed out that I valued her opinions even though they differed from mine and that she hasn't posted here since she asked for scientific evidence and I gave it to her.

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