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kirismum
kirismum Member Posts: 86

News from the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium:

 http://curetoday.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/article.showArticleByTumorType/id/805/tumorCategory/Breast/article_id/1600

 This is great information, and I am so grateful for this research. Kiri is currently enrolled in an identical trial, comparing neoadjuvant chemotherapy with taxol plus herceptin & lapatinib, taxol plus herceptin only and taxol plus lapatinib only, randomized into three arms. She was put in the taxol plus lapatinib only arm. Initially I was thrilled as lapatinib seems to cross the BBB, as herceptin doesn't. But the results of the earlier study indicated total tumor response in 50% of the combo arm and only 25% of the lapatinib/taxol only arm, with the worst SE's in the taxol/lapatinib arm. Frown

 Lapatinib is not currenty approved for neoadjuvant chemotherapy (I'm pretty sure herceptin is) so there is no way she can request the combination treatment.  And I am of several minds about this (as if I have a mind left at this point).

1, Kiri is 25 and I have been told clearly from the get-go to "step away from the computer and let me handle this and don't take over like you ALWAYS DO, Mom." I'm sure she and her extremely competent harvard team at Dana-Farber will discuss this and come to a conclusion that they're all happy with.

2. This is a clinical trial, and this is what you sign up for when you sign up for a clinical trial: chances. The opportunity to contribute to research that will help others down the line. And the chance you might not end up in the most successful section.

3. She WILL get herceptin, after her surgery, for a year. So maybe the combination sequentially will be just as effective. 

4. Lapatinib is a small-cell molecule and works from the inside, as opposed to herceptin, which is a large molecule and works from the outside, which may explain the difference in the physical response. I am just guessing here. Kiri's tumor is getting softer, becoming more like a sponge. It's pretty much the same size from the outside. So maybe it's just a matter of a different effect on the cells.

5. In terms of shrinking her tumor to the point where she could get away with a lumpectomy rather than a mastectomy, the herceptin/lapatinib treatment might have been a clear preference. But she has extensive DCIS, which would probably necessitate a mastectomy anyway.

(Are you girls beginning to appreciate how good I am at rationalization yet? GRIN)

6. I did read, somewhere, I think, that significant shrinkage of tumor cells via neoadjuvant therapy was also sometimes associated with a similarly significant increase  in circulating tumor cells, as if this "melting away" of the tumor had only released cells into the bloodstream. But to be honest, I don't think tht's the case with Herceptin--I think it really does destroy the HER2+ cells. Still, the correlation between preoperative shrinkage and long-term NED isn't entirely clear.

7. Kiri is at a great place, getting great treatment. I have to trust she will be taken care of. 

8. There is not enough alcohol in the world....Undecided

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited December 2010

    "Lapatinib is not currently approved for neoadjuvant chemotherapy" but they do seem to be having excellent results with it for advanced HER2+ cancer. This is why it is now being tested with early HER2+ cancers. It was the same way with Herceptin. First they tested it with advanced HER+ cancer. It was successful so then the trails moved on to early… and Herceptin is now standard treatment for both.

    I also posted this thread today: http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/80/topic/761920?page=1#idx_2

  • kirismum
    kirismum Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2010

    Thanks, Lago. I was just reading your thread! I agree it's frustrating to be in the middle of chemo when all this exciting new stuff is coming out, but to look on the bright side, this certainly improves the future for girls like you and Kiri--there will be so many more avenues of attack should you need them as time goes on.

    Keeping a positive outlook!! Hope you're enjoying the holiday season. Smile

  • melania
    melania Member Posts: 117
    edited December 2010

    Hi ladies,

    I am also in the middle of neoadjuvant chemo, I did 4 FEC and my tumor shrunk so much that we can not feel it anymore, i have to do a ct scan to confirm it. My Chemo regime is 4 FEC and then 6 THC then surgery and then one year of Herceptin. . They were thinking if ts better to do surgery now or  do it after finishing the 6 THC. Finally they decided we do the  surgery after THC because i wanna do double mast with construction and there will be a recovery window from the surgery  in between the chemos. Now i am little bit confused and scared by reading that the shrinkage of the tumor via neoadjuvant chemo may increase the  cancer cells which travel in your blood. I was so happy that my tumor shrunk but is this possible that I am doing the wrong thing by letting the cells travel more??

    I was so happy about doing chemo before surgery because i was thinkng this is the best thing u can do to stop those cells which travel in your body even before surgery. Now i am lost.

    anybody asked this from her onc?

    thanks

  • kirismum
    kirismum Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2010

    Oh, God, no, Melania, you will be fine! That was just one stray article I read--I can try to find the link for you but please don't worry. It wasn't a recent article anyway. Maybe you could have your onco do a circulating cell test if you are worried, but it's great that your tumor has completely shrunk. I wish Kiri's had.

    I'll try to find the article for you and get the specifics. I'm sure it will put your mind at ease. I'm so sorry if this upset you.Frown

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited December 2010

    melania Are those cells that float away dead cells? This idea that the melting away causes live cancer cells to float around in the body is just that, a theory. If this theory was proven and caused metastasis there is no way they would be recommending chemo before surgery. Seems to be the studies have found just the opposite… and the quoted article still does not say if they are dead or live cancer cells circulating.

  • jpmercy
    jpmercy Member Posts: 189
    edited December 2010

    I am not in this position, but i know of several woman who went this route and have been NED for over 10 years. About 10-15 years ago they started to think that doing chemo first then surgery then more chemo if needed was benificial. they have found that this is extreamely helpful b/c you dont delay the time to give chemo. i have a very good friend who is 13 years NED and had a 3cm tumor and did this route and is doing great! just wanted to send a positive thought and a real life example!!

  • kirismum
    kirismum Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2010

    Thanks, Jennifer, that is so encouraging. Smile

     I spoke to Kiri this morning. She was aware of the report out of San Antonio (here I was hoping to keep it from her! ha!) and not nearly as upset about the statistics as I was. Figures.  Turns out she and her oncs are very happy with the way her tumor is responding to the lapatinib--she says it's much softer and more moveable, which indicates it is being eaten up from the inside out. Even if she doesn't have a complete response, this is giving them really good data about what the tumor responds to.

     I need to read less and talk to my daughter more. GRIN. 

  • sadmom
    sadmom Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2010

    KirisMum, I love #8!

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