Is night time always the worse?

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I Found out 11-19 that I have BC..in the following week the pathology report from the core biopsy came back as TN..Have an appointment at UNC Breast Center on Wednesday for second opinion...

Does anyone else have trouble sleeping?  During the day, I find that I'm handling the stress of this new change in my life and by the time the sun goes down I'm stressing over this terrifying BC. I want to start reading anything and everything, and usually get up multiple times in the night...is this  normal? Any suggestions...

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  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited December 2010

    Hi Melissa, When I found out in June that I had BC I felt the way you do I think at night it is quiet and still and your mind cannot stop and during the day you are busy and life has to go on regardless of what is happening, It is so hard it is surreal it is all consuming...but you will get through it. For me it happened so fast I found out the beginning of June and with in 2 weeks I had a double mastectomy and than on to chemotherapy my life has been crazy. I know not every one will agree with me but I asked for Xanax and I find that if I take just a half of a pill it settles my mind enough to rest. Try to stay calm and know you will be fine. I will say prayers for you and I am here if you need a friend.

    Tracie

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    I got a prescription for Ambein CR. It was a life saver to me. I would have dropped dead from lack of sleep without it. You really can't cope well, or function even without any rest. Do what you need to do to get through this. Best of luck! Ruth

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited December 2010

    I needed ambien, also. It turned off the "spinning thoughts" in my mind and gave me some peace at night.  I've also needed klonipin to keep my anxiety in check.  Some people need these for the longer term, others for the shorter term.  Really, it does not matter.  What matters is that we are able to think and to deal with our life as it comes.  At the moment, yours is turned upside down and inside out.  I totally get it.  My dx was exactly one year before yours.  Thanksgiving was a blur, Christmas shopping was a blur.  All I could do was read and research, since the learning curve was steep and there were many decisions to make.  It's been quite the year, but we all managed it around here - and I still use these meds to keep myself in check.  And I'm grateful for them.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited December 2010

    Yeah, you are right on girl... night time is the worst. You are not alone....

    Taking something to sleep can help you not be up all night... and that is good.... but know that you are NOT alone. WE ALL WENT THROUGH.... or are GOING THROUGH what you are. I hate that you had to join us...... but I hope you will feel safe HERE. I remember being where you are now. 2 1/2 yrs ago. I did not feel safe in my own body let alone sitting up at night... while others slept and I could not. But come here.. to BCO.... even late at night... SOMEBODY was online here...... and I could stalk them... and then PM them fast... before they went to bed...LOL..... as it turned out... they were doing the same.

    I just wanted you to know you are not alone.... your feelings are right on... and you have ALL THE RIGHT in the world to feel them.

    I took Zanax the first two weeks after DX to sleep... it helped me. Then I was thrown into chemo so fast... that I did not need sleeping pills... chemo zapped me... made me sleep.... so that was good.

    I did have many a night where I just cried. It was not my personality... but it is what it is.

    I am now clean of cancer.... and moving on in my life... doing pretty good.

    I also know many TN ladies... and they are doing pretty darn good too, after 2-3 yrs.... they are done with treatment... and doing well!

    HUGS to you.... Gentle hugs to you.

    You are among friends here ok! Friends whom you might just choose to hang with for awhile...

    Heck... there are many of us who still hang with eachother...:) after many years.... :)

    I pray that you find peace.....

    PM me if you ever need to...

    Laura

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited December 2010

    Wow ladies, thanks so much...I knew others had this problem, but its nice to connect with you..Next wed will be a great time for me to discuss my sleeping issues with the drs...Its weird though i can sleep during the  day time...which ive been trying not to do, so that i could sleep at night...everything just seems weird.  

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    It is so wierd; like having the rug pulled out from under you and you are left dangling in mid-air. It does get better emotionally once you figure out a treatment plan. Hang in there! Ruth

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited December 2010

    thanks ruth...i felt better the day after it talked with Dr. Mack, my oncon, but now that day is over and the farther i get away from it...the worry intensifies..  I just want to get things started so i can start dealing with all the SE's, etc...Dr. Macks seems to  think that since i work with small children i should plan on taking 12 weeks off, for the chemo...how long does chemo last, what does chemo look like in a time frame...i know everyone is different but what are some examples of it...How long is recovery for a mastectomy, 

    On the up side, I do have 2 wonderful little boys  and my sweet hubby, who makes me smile like crazy..they are whats keeping me together each day...When Evan says "i just love you mommy," what more could i ask for...and Ayden just comes and squeezes me and say's mommy "we need to get some mistletoe so i can kiss you all the time...lol they are such sweeties... I just keep telling myself to think of all the positives in my life...they sooo out weigh the BC

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    I taught all through chemo. I did 'dose dense' every two weeks so I could get it over with quicker, and I had neulasta shots after each chemo. Neulasta forces your white blood cells into production so that way you didn't have to worry so much about about getting infections. I washed my hands like crazy and was fine.Do you have a choice of a lumpectomy or mastectomy?  I had a lumpectomy (took one week off and was back at school). I don't know about mastectomy recovery time, but it's significantly longer.

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited December 2010

    No, not sure about which one im going to have...I keep thinking that a mastectomy would be my best choice because of recurrence...but im going to wait to here what the new oncologist and surgeon say next week...Did you have to take time off on the off days?  

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited August 2013

    I took off a week when I had the lumpectomy (with a lumpectomy plus radiation your chances of recurrence are exactly the same betweeen and lumpectomy & a mastectomy.....plus it saves you all the further surgeries, time, hassle, potential SE etc. of reconstruction. I know people have different feeling about it, but I am totally happy that I went with a lumpectomy).I had chemo on Fridays and was back to school Monday morning. I didn't feel great, sort of like I had the flu all the time, but it was doable. Everyone is different, but I would have gone crazy sitting home thinking about it all the time. I feel that most people are better off if they can maintain as normal a schedule as possible. I had radiation in the summer, which worked out well as I had to drive 100 miles each way to get to my radiation site. If you have a place nearby to do radiation, then it isn't a problem to work and do rads at the same time, it takes about 15 minutes from the time you walk in the door until the time you leave.

    edited for spelling errors!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010
    Melissa, this is the other thing you need to make sure you check on; make sure that your pathology report was read correctly. Mine first came back TN & I questioned it because I did not fit 'classic' TN profile. They had sent a tumor section down to Mayo to test for HER2 (this was long enough ago where that was still a new test), and so I requested that they do a second opinion of the pathology report down there..... and it came back estrogen positive!!!! My oncologist, who was new, was even more shocked then I, and consequently the clinic changed their whole procedure for tumor reviews; now each tumor is read by two pathologists, and if it comes back TN they automatically send it to Mayo for confirmation. You really have to be your own advocate!! Frown
  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited December 2010

    Hi Melissa, you're right, night time is hard. I'd go to the humor & games board when I was up nights with worry or steroids. (I made some nice friends and still go there!) It kept my mind busy and gave me something to DO. There are gamers from all over the world so when it's night here it's day there. You are welcome anytime!

    I had a bilateral mastectomy (bmx) without reconstruction back in Feb and took off two weeks from work. Had 6 rounds of chemo -no neulasta shots- and took off treatment day and the day after. I was able to keep working at my desk job.  I'm 10 months post bmx and 6 months PFC (post final chemo) and am doing well. 

    You will get through this and your sisters here will help you!  {{hugs}}

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited December 2010

    Melissa, the nights are often the worst.  I remember that stage, when it wasn't unusual to log on to these boards at 2 a.m. and find other women here, looking for someone to talk to.  We said it was the time when the "Night Demons" came.

    And, yes, what you're feeling is "normal" -- as normal as anyone could expect, after hearing you have breast cancer -- but it can be treated if necessary.  I was only prescribed one sleep aid during cancer treatment, and that was the Ativan my onco prescribed to combat the insomnia caused by dexamethasone during chemo.  I think I took two of them.  Mostly I tried to distract myself as much as possible.

    I just went with the flow -- I slept when I was tired, and stayed up and watched late-night TV when I wasn't.  Fortunately, I had retired from my job the year before my dx and we don't have kids at home anymore; so the only person I was annoying with my weird hours was dh, who was wonderful about it.  I kept extra bedding in the living room near my recliner, and that's where I slept for quite a few nights.

    ruthbru has given you some great advice.  She is correct:  the recurrence risk and overall outcomes are exactly the same for lumpectomy+radiation as for mastectomy.  Unlike ruthbru, I chose a mastectomy, but not because of concern about leaving tumor tissue behind after a lumpectomy.  Actually, the radiation they give after a lumpectomy does a very nice job of killing any tumor cells that might remain in that breast.  My reasoning was personal -- it had to do with the trouble I'd had monitoring for lumps in that breast.  It was dense and fibrous, and my tumor had never been visible in a mammogram; so I figured I would have problems finding new lumps in amongst all the scar tissue.

    My mastectomy (a "modified radical mastectomy" with sentinel node biopsy) lasted 90 minutes.  I went home at lunchtime the next day, with 2 JP drains.  I did have some mobility restrictions -- I wasn't supposed to drive until the drains were out; I wasn't supposed to reach higher than my shoulder on that side. I was tired for 2 or 3 days; and there was some pain on that side of my chest, but just for a few days.  I think I took 2 of the Percocet tablets my surgeon prescribed.  After that, Advil took care of it.

    I did not have to worry about returning to work, but I'm pretty sure I could have gone back after that first week.  My one remaining drain, which was pulled after 10 days, would have been a manageable nuisance at my job.  I did not have reconstruction, because I wanted to recover quickly with as few complications as possible.

    Hugs to you, Melissa.  Find a home here on these boards, where you will be welcome no matter what you decide to do.

    otter

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited December 2010

    thanks otter...

    I often just get on the boards and read...i seem to get so much more info than with the drs...

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    Badger is right, the humor and games boards are a good distraction (and actually so fun that later on (when you actually CAN sleep), you stay up and play when you SHOULD be sleeping (am I right, Badger?)! BCO home page is a good place for advice. I'd print off some of their stuff and bring it to the doctor with me. As well as a notebook with all my questions. It's good to write everything down ahead of time and also write down (or have someone else) write down all their answers, comments etc.(so you can do more research). The boards are great, my only suggestion is to be careful not to get sucked into the......"I an having such an awful time with ________ (fill in the blank)" types of threads, as that can get very depressing and scary. Once I decided on what course of treatment was my best chance to beat this, then I didn't read anything more about 'the horrible potential SEs', because I knew what I needed to do and it didn't do me any good mentally to dwell on it.

    Hang in there! Ruth

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited December 2010

    ruthbru-where can i find different types of treatment (that i can understand!)..any suggestions about nutrition...not sure what i should be eating and what i shouldn't be...

    over all i think the boards have been positive for me...they make me see things realistically, i feel like things have been sugar coated, or just not described thoroughly..you girls have given me lots of info and i appreciate it...

  • ishobie
    ishobie Member Posts: 96
    edited December 2010

    Hi Melissa. When I did my mammo in April 2010 and on a late Friday afternoon, I was terrified the whole weekend.  I knew from the radiologist that they knew it was something and that I needed a biopsy. I already knew in my heart what it was.  Yes the nights are worse, I rarely slept after that. Even after the mastectomy and chemotherapy and herceptin(of which I am still getting) the nights seem the worst

    Maybe you can get something prescribed to help you sleep

    good luck to you, prayers and thoughts with you

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited December 2010

    LOL Ruth you are right!

    Melissa, at the very top of this page is a banner with links to the BCO home page, and pages with info on Symptoms & Diagnosis, Treatments & Side Effects, etc., it's a great place to start. 

    I agree the people here are the best!  {{hugs}}

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    Do like badger said, go to the very top of this page & click on breastcancer.org Home. That will bring you to all the information you need to know, and it is fact and researched based, whereas we all on the boards are offering opinions and thoughts based on our own personal experiences....which is good, and usually, but not always helpful, and in some cases not necessarily accurate. (I worry about ladies who do or refuse various treatments based on what they read here.)

    My advice about nutrition (which is not necessarily good advice but.....) is don't worry about it at this point. Right now, eat whatever you want. Later on, there are alot of good things you can do nutritionally, but right now you have enough on you plate (haha) and don't need to add anything else that will be something to worry about. I would say that if you have an exercise routine, stick to it. And if you don't, if you can get out and walk or do something physical, exercise helps to deal with the stress, as well as being good for you physically.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited December 2010

    Just droppin' in to see how you are doing..... and I see that the BCO gang of AMAZING women are here giving your great advice and support..... GREAT!

    Hang in the sweety!

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