Marga Massey founds National Institute of Lymphology

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2010

    Well, good morning!!

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited December 2010

    Such great news - thanks for posting this, Kira!

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited December 2010

    Very good news! 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited December 2010

    Okay, I checked out the site thoroughly, and I do think it's good news, but I also worry about unbiased research, and is this a marketing tool?

    All in all, I think it brings more information on lymphedema to the forefront, I really like their protocol of protecting the limb, and even if I'm not convinced about lymph node transplants--it seems like Dr. Massey is a great surgeon and a certified lymphedema therapist--amazing--and she's sure not ignoring the issue.

    So, I do think it's good news.

    Kira

  • Del11
    Del11 Member Posts: 944
    edited December 2010

    I believe the "institute" part of the name refers to the research they're currently conducting. Part of the reason this is so valuable and needed is there isn't much current research out there.  Both doctors' involvement with cancer patients and expertise in microsurgery make them the ideal doctors to be doing the research.  I don't think this is a marketing ploy--any more than any press release is considered "marketing". I think both surgeons are passionate and committed to making life better for lymphedema sufferers (of which I am not one, thankfully). 

  • Katiejane
    Katiejane Member Posts: 789
    edited December 2010

        I agree with you jeskachi-I believe there is no marketing ploy here!  They are both very passionate about their work! I have an appointment w/ Dr. Massey in April of 2011 when she comes to Salt Lake City and I am so excited! I believe if any Doctor can help my LE, it will be her. And since I haven't had reconstruction yet maybe she will be able to fix that too! My biggest fear is the reconstruction will worsen my LE and I just couldn't stand that! This is such good news!   Katiejane

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited December 2010

    I spoke w/Dr Massey when I was in New Orleans a few weeks ago, and she'd mentioned they were going to be releasing some of their research soon.  I got the impression that it is their intention to crank up the conversation and become a viable center for research and info related to LE care and options.  Of course, they will also offer info on their procedures of lymph node transfers, but that is also part of their research - how to increase the safety of it, and to reduce the risks.  Admittedly, this is all in the early stages.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited December 2010

    Hi, all,

    For sure Dr. Massey has been doing a study on the patients she operates on. This is good, and it's something her mentor Dr. Corrine Becker in France, never has done. So Dr. Massey's on the right course here. It would have been really helpful if the oversight of the study was in the hands of someone other than Dr. Massey herself or the Institute she's established to legitimize it, and hopefully she'll go on to do just that. As it stands, there's a natural bias when the chief researcher is also the surgeon getting paid to do the surgery (or hoping to come up with enough evidence to qualify for insurance payment in the future).

    While I too am impressed by Dr. Massey's efforts and care for her patients, I have to say that if you look at it carefully, the Institute website does indeed have all the earmarks of a marketing ploy. She may be a wonderful surgeon, but she's also an astute businessperson, and that's what businesses do. There is no evidence whatever of anything resembling a "cure" in node transplant surgery as yet, and the long-term safety of the procedure is not documented in any way, so the premise of her Institute remains shaky for now.

    The "National Institute of Lymphology" is a misnomer anyway -- this is not a national organization for exploring the field of lymphology, or even all avenues toward a cure: it's about node transplant surgery. Like everyone else here, I hope this IS a cure, and I hope there are no other unknowable negative outcomes that come up over time. But currently the science of lymphology is nowhere near having the knowledge to endorce any such thing. Lymphology is a very recent scientific discipline, and we're just not there yet.

    So, BRAVA for Dr. Massey for learning so much about lymphedema care and putting it all into action for the benefit of all her patients! That is a singular accomplishment in the lymphedema world.Smile But, Institute or no, this surgery is still in the experimental stage, and we can all take hope in the fact that the field of lymphology includes a whole range of researchers exploring all aspects of the lymph system, some of them even without bias.

    All very promising!
    Binney

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited December 2010

    "Cure" - not at this point.  Options, yes, when there are so few.  I would not take the option of a lymph node transfer at this point, since I am able to keep things managed through the various current methods.  Transfer is not for me, since it's not all sorted out yet.  And it was not offered to me when I was there discussing LE with them, since my condition is considered "manageable". While they are doing the transfers with breast cancer/LE patients, they are also beginning to use it on those with congenital LE, as in their leg........or trying to refine that.  It's so early that I don't think anyone really knows definitively where this will lead.

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited December 2010

    Also, I think other docs are learning this transfer technique, and possibly even offering it (maybe Allen in NYC).  Maybe with this new group, they will have a format to consolidate info.  I don't disagree that this is a marketing format at all, since I think it's pretty clear.  I'm just hoping that there will be more to come of this new group than just marketing - more research, more conversations, more validation of the LE issue and the need for better options and support.

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited June 2011

    Read up on Dr. Massey and her involvement in this issue.... "(marketing"  also brings attention to an issue.) She is working to see that insurance will recognize it in all patients, breast cancer survivors and others and support the treatment of the condition in addition to the pioneering surgical aspects. Many medicare patients and indigent patients suffer horribly and get no treatment. If you meet her, you will know that the dollar is not her goal. If she thought she could help ease someone's suffering she would operate and take a chicken and a pig as payment...

    Cure is not there from surgery right now, but I do think that she has helped ease some patients severe conditions and helped them get back to living a life. If I had an extreme condition like some of her patient stories illustrate I would take the chance that the surgery might help in a heartbeat.

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