After effects from Contura radiation procedure?

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I'm scheduled to begin Contura radiation next week and wondered if the after effects that have shown up from the MammoSite procedure are also happening with the Contura balloon?

The BC center who will be doing my rads has a doctor who "with his colleagues pioneered "accelerated partial breast irradiation," (APBI) a 5-day alternative to conventional 6 weeks of external beam whole breast irradiation in select early-stage breast cancer.  This is now one of the hottest topics in breast cancer, and the subject of 5 international randomized clinical trials worldwide."

I am concerned about the seromas and hematomas that have been discussed on this forum as effects of MammoSite rads after a year or two. I realize that there have been probably thousands of MammoSite treatments done that aren't reflected in the posts I have seen.

If anyone has experience with the Contura, I'd like to hear from them before I begin treatment.

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  • kdemoss
    kdemoss Member Posts: 5
    edited August 2010

    I just finished the contura 5 day twice a day treatment last week. The catheter is a little uncomfortable but I didn't need any pain meds or even Tylenol. There is a sterile dsg twice a day over it so you can't take a shower. I went and had my hair done and also had a pedicure during it because out here in AZ where it is 110 degrees a bird bath just didn't do it. I tolerated the treatments just fine. A word of advice on the last treatment - do take a painkiller because it pulls and burns when they remove the tube. There was a little drainage for about 3 days. I still am not in my regular bras yet. Now this week which is one week after I tire easily and the boob is inflamed like a mild sunburn...a touch tender but still not needing any pain meds or even tylenol.It kind of throbs when I bend over. I hope I don't have long term problems like I have read about here. I am planning to go back to work next week. Apparently the contura which has 5 tubes allows for more even rad doses to the cavity than the mammosite did. Let us know how you do!

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2010

    Thanks for the reply, KD

    I am in Phoenix with the 110 degree weather also but the trade off of no showers for a few days versus 33 treatments compared to 10 is motivation enough for me.

    Also, the research I have been able to find indicates the Contura may be less likely to cause long term problems.  http://www.senorx.com/physicians/documents/WilderCurcioTokita.pdf

    I had my cavity evaluation on Wednesday, and was able to see the scan. It looks like, and the Doc agreed, my cavity is in a very good spot for the treatment. The only problem is that it is fairly close to my right armpit and that is the arm I use the most.

    I will post here as treatment progresses...the thing I am dreading most is the insertion of the device on Tuesday. Frown

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2010
    I had the Contura balloon inserted yesterday by my surgeon then on to the radiation center for the treatment planning. The insertion was relatively painless. I had trouble sleeping because I had to be careful not to roll over on the balloon.

    I had my first treatment today. Lots of double-checking beforehand by physicist, tech, and physician to make sure things were in their proper places. The actual treatment took eight minutes and I felt nothing, and it was not a noisy procedure. Tech came in immediately and waved a geiger counter over my chest...thankfully it was silent.

    The nurse dressed my breast afterwards and I came home between treatments. Have to have a six-hour interval between.

    I'm having some pain now, due to the fact that there is this thingy sticking out of an open hole in my boob, and was handled a bit, (the thingy AND my boob) but haven't had to take anything stronger than a Tylenol yet.

    I'm not looking forward to eight or nine days sans shower, but I think that's better than the 33 day treatment. I will be done next Tuesday.
  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited September 2010


    I finished my five day radiation Tuesday.

    The five-day treatment I had was with the Contura balloon, and went swimmingly along until the weekend after three days of treatment. Then I started having a LOT of pain in my breast and Monday and Tuesday were really hard to get through.

    I kept asking why I was having so much pain but never got a good answer.  I thought it may have been due to the location of the catheter which was just under the fold of my breast and very close to my right armpit. I am right handed, so there had to be quite a lot of movement there. But the doc said yesterday that "Some women just have more pain than others."

    I insisted they inject lidocaine yesterday to remove the appliance, and I'm glad I did because the Doc found that my breast had begun to heal up around it.

    Other than the pain, I am glad I did it.  I am feeling good today except for a little weakness and that's probably due the stress of the past two days.

    I think the trade off of the pain I DID have for a few days was worth not having to have 33 treatments, and there was very little exposure to my lung and I think none to my heart. My aftercare instructions include lubriderm and vit. E oil, but I think there was minimal skin exposure.

    BTW,  with my insurance, it saved me $1100 in co-pays to do the five-day treatment .

  • spitnspunk
    spitnspunk Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2010

    Thank you so much for this information. I am supposed to go in end of this week and get the catheder put in for the Contura balloon and then start treatement next week. I was wondering about the side effects, in fact, I just put a topic out there and hten looked around more and found this one. I'm going to read that info on the link you posted too. Thanks much!

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited September 2010

    Hi, flynonanglwngs

    I'm two weeks out from the treatment today.  Other than the fatigue I'm not seeing after effects. I'm using vitamin E oil for the skin, but other than a little redness am not noticing anything.

    Please come back and post your experience on this thread. I will watch for your replies.

    WW

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited September 2010

    I am a Contura failure.  I had the Contura in place a couple days before I went for the first rads evaluation.  It was very uncomfortable for me, to the point I took some hydrocodone for relief.  The Contura balloon is polyurethane, and it is firmer than a Mammosite balloon.  It felt like a ping pong ball was in there.  When I went for the CTs and evaluation before starting rads, we found out that my skin had stretched and now I did not have the minimun clearance (in mm) needed to proceed.  My tumor cavity was very near to the surface, and that was the main factor, I think.

    When I had the balloon placed, the BS cut a blood vessel that bled a lot.  That is unusual, but I needed three stitches to close it up.  A couple days later, I had a little pressure and pain at the removal.  The stitches were removed then.  I now have a scar (additional to the surgery and SNB sites) from the Contura.  It looks like a bullet hole indentation.  Sorry, I can't comment about any other after effects.

    The Contura requires multiple CTs to check position, so I got a few of those which I ended up not needing.  The CT has many times the radiation a plain film x-ray does.  When I opted for Contura, I did not realize I would be having that much CT exposure.  I also thought it would be only 5 days of wearing it, but in reality you may have it in place for some days before treatments actually begin.  If it is not comfortable, every day seems like an eternity.

    You may think I am against balloon brachytherapy, but I'm not.  I'm just saying six of one, half dozen of the other.  I ended up having whole breast radiation.  I didn't like that very much either.  I live close to the Breast Center, so going all those weeks was easy-peasy in my case.  But radiation is radiation.  It's not gona ba a walk in the park.  I did very well with whole breast radiation.  I got a rectangle tan, a little pink and sore, and was tired; none of the blistering at all.  Plus, I am 11 mos out of rads. and just saw an x-ray of my lungs.  Even tho' 13% of my lung was in the radiation field, the lung showed no apparent scarring as both lungs looked the same on x-ray.  That's real good. I guess I got lucky.

    I'm posting both of my experiences here, not so much for those who have finished Contura already, but for people still in the decision making process. The more they learn about both, the better to choose which one is right for them.  Don't forget to ask how many balloon procedures your surgeon has done so far.  It is still relatively new, so they may not even be that experienced with them.  That can make a difference.  Good Luck everyone with rads still ahead of them.

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited September 2010

    elimar

    I'm sorry about your experience with Contura.

    I agree that one should investigate both the surgeon who places the device and the center that does the treatment. In my case, my BS, who also performed my lumpectomy was well recommended and had done the placement many times and the radiation center co-founder, Dr. Kuske helped build and lead the new Cancer Center at Tulane Medical School. While in New Orleans, Dr. Kuske and colleagues pioneered "accelerated partial breast irradiation". This center in Phoenix has done hundreds of these procedures.

    As to the multiple CTs, I only had two. One in the initial prep exam, and a very short one the first day of treatment to make sure the placement was still correct. I DID have an ultrasound every day before treatment to check position. 

    My Contura was placed on Tuesday and treatment began the next day. There was a weekend involved, so I had the device for eight days. Other than the occasional pulling sensation due to my Contura being so close to my right armpit, I couldn't feel it at all.

    As I have said before, I had some pain the last three days which doesn't seem to be the case for most patients.  Other than that, the treatment was uneventful and other than some fatigue the first few days after treatment I have had no effects at two weeks. I am aware that there can be scar tissue build up inside the cavity after a time, but have been told there are ways to  minimalize this. When I return for my follow-up in Oct., I will investigate this.

  • spitnspunk
    spitnspunk Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2010

    Update:

    I got the contura balloon in yesteday (Thursday), I was a little nervous as I expected it to hurt going in a lot because of the size of the thing, but actually, it hurt very little! I felt a little prick as the numbing needle went in and then nothing...the surgeon was actually saying he was in the cavity numbing that part and yet I didn't feel a thing. When he inserted the balloon and cathedar I was told to expect pressure, but actually, I didn't even feel that, and as he inflated the balloon, a little pressure. That's it.

     I then had the planning session at the radiation oncologist, which consisted of a CT scan, markings, and the thing I felt was pretty wierd: Pictures! Yes, pictures: they used a digital camera and took pictures of my breasts to put in my chart/file...it just struck me as odd. Anyhow, so far so good, I was still numb so no pain!

     However, as night approached the numbness wore off and the the pain set in.  Luckily, I had the foresight to go to the nearby WalMart days earlier and buy a few of those hook in the front sports bras three sizes bigger then normal and those went over the mesh tube top thing they put on so it all held in place without moving around because any movement was extremely painful. TIP: Be sure you buy the hook in the front ones because you won't be able to strech to put pull over the head ones on, and be sure you buy them several sizes larger! I did end up taking one of my pain pills left over from my surgery to take the edge offf, but I still had to sleep on the couch as it was to painful to lie down fully in the bed.

    Today, back to get the dressing changed; not much drainage or blood. All went well. Pain was tolerable with tylenol most of the day, except for after the return from the dressing change; I think because of the movement of the cathedar and the dressing chane and all the jostling it was hurting quite a bit at this time. Night is almost here again, get through the weekend, and treatments start on Monday. I'm told they will do a CT scan every visit, that's twice a day, as they have to verify that the balloon is still in the same place and that everything measures up correctly. Then next Friday, this thing comes out! I'll update as I go along treatment next week.

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited September 2010

    flynonanglwngs, I hope things go well with you. Have you asked for additional pain meds?  I had very little pain until the last three days and had enough meds left from surgery for it.

    I don't know how the dressing are done for you. The nurse that did mine would wrap the catheter tubes in a large pad and then it could be tucked up under the bra so that it wasn't dangling.  On the weekends, I was able to do the same thing, so it's possible to do it by yourself.

    The center I went to provided a surgical bra, but when I wanted to wash it, she would do the mesh tube top for me.

    I am 18 days out now, and can feel some lumpiness in my cavity which I'm sure is either fluid or the beginnings of scar tissue.  I did too much with my arm the other day and caused some minor pain, but otherwise have had no other problems.

  • spitnspunk
    spitnspunk Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2010

    Update: so here's my story on the week for anyone else that is contemplating going through this..

    I last updated above on Friday the 17th, the day after getting the balloon put in. The weekend that followed was pretty uneventful. The sessions were pretty uneventful, the treatments themselves don't really hurt, it's the moving around of the tube that seems to hurt. The morning sessions were always pretty easy, and I slept for at least an hour in between that one and the afternoon one as I was always tired. The afternooon  sessions were a little rougher as the tube hurt more from being moved around so much so close together to the morning session, and so the pain was worse in the evenings. I pretty much took tylenol every 4 hours during the days and then one dose of tylenol PM before going to sleep.  I also was taking an antibiotic (due to chemo going to start soon after this) and I was told that it probabably helped to keep inflamation and pain down, but surprisingly, not eveyone gets an anitibiotic it seems.

    On Friday I found myself stressed about getting the thing out as I already knew they did not use any sort of numbing agent, so I did take a prescription pain pill about an hour before my appointment. With that, when they took it out it really wasn't bad - a pinch and a little pulling..it wasn't even half as bad as the shot getting the nuclear injection put in for my lumpectomy - now that one really hurt and this wasn't even that bad (I thought this would be worse!!)

    So, I'm done with this first step, in one week; it wasn't an extremly comfortable week but all in all, still better then 5 or 6 weeks I think. Today, I'm just really tired, been sleeping a lot, and the incision is a little sore. Next step, getting a port put in and on to chemo.

  • angel80
    angel80 Member Posts: 15
    edited October 2010

    I am starting the contura therapy today I did have some bleeding where it was inserted over the weekend that kind of worries me, I just pray I can do this and be done kind of scared of the radiation. Are there any precautions I should take or anything I should know as I go through this...I want to go back to work, but don't know if I'm ready physically or emotionally, I am a hospice aide both physically and emotionally demanding...

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited October 2010

    angel,

    One thing they should tell you is not to lift anything over ten pounds.  The nurse that dresses your incision each day may be relied upon to wrap the tubes in gauze so that they can be tucked up under your bra.  You should receive a special front-closing bra to wear during treatment.

     I had no problems at all until the last three days when the pain started, but don't hesitate to take pain meds.  I insisted they numb the area before removing the balloon and it was painless and over in seconds.

    I would do it again in a heartbeat, especially when I read the radiation threads here regarding the 33 week treatment.

     I am nearly two months out, and I have had NO after-effects such as burns, etc. I have a lump of either fluid or scar tissue remaining, but it does not bother me, nor is it painful. I've had some fatigue, but I think much of that is due to the whole experience of having surgery, etc.

  • angel80
    angel80 Member Posts: 15
    edited October 2010

    The week of treatment went well, I did have discharge from the catheter all week, I got it out yesterday it was a bit painful but, quick and it doesn't hurt at all now.  I do have a bit of a burn on  the breast and it looks a little like a baloon they let the air out of, she did say I had a large cavity and it is pretty close to the skin, I am very exhausted now is this from blood loss or radiation or both?? Also the emotional part I think will take me alot longer than I thought...but I will survive this God has a reason for me to be here...

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited October 2010

    angel80, I too had the contura radiation. Mine was close to the skin and had a slight burn. The tireness is from the radiation. Remember you recieved it 2 times a day for 5 days, that's very exausting to the body. You are so right the emontional part takes much longer. Give yourself a break you've gone through so much in just a few weeks. Get the rest you need.

    One word of caution, are you going to be doing chemo after the radiaiton? If so PM me, and I can give you some info.

    Karen

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited October 2010

    I am two months out tomorrow from my Contura exprerience.  I was fortunate in the location of mine, as I had NO burn.  I have some lumps at the site, but they are slowly receding.

    I am STILL recovering from the fatigue, but as Kira says, we go through so much in a short time emotionally and physically that we may just get physically overwhelmed by it all.

    Still happy I did it...saved quite a bit of money on co-pays, also. 

  • angel80
    angel80 Member Posts: 15
    edited November 2010

    It has been a over a week since I had the balloon has been out the site has healed nicely,  I did get some burn because of the cavity being kind of close to the skin.  It is healing, I have anxeity worrying about how much insurance will pay...  But, physically well.  Also problems sleeping due to tomoxefen...hot flashes need to get back to life.

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited December 2010

    I just found a study on the Contura procedure, with with some accompanying info on Mammosite.  If you are considering the Accelerated Partial Breast Irradiation five-day procedure, this may be interesting to you.

    http://www.generalsurgerynews.com/download/SR1051BreastCa_WM.pdf

  • kdemoss
    kdemoss Member Posts: 5
    edited December 2010

    HI worldwatcher,

    We had our procedures about the same time and Im wondering how you are doing. I just had my 6mo checkup and still have a seroma in the lumpectomy cavity becuase they dont close it with the contura catheter being inserted for the brachytherapy.  It seems to be slowly getting smaller but still is quite hardened. I still get tired easily too but am on arimidex. Have you or anyone else had seroma problems and what can be done except wait it out?  KD

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited December 2010

    Hi KD

    I really haven't had a lot of problem with the Contura procedure. For a few weeks afterwards, I had a lump in the cavity that was likely fluid because it has disappeared. It was never hardened. The fatigue lasted about ten days, and I am feeling fine now, most likely because I refused chemo and haven't started on  a hormonal yet.

    I have seen posts from ladies with the hard lump who were told it was scar tissue, and also that this can happen months later.

    I will be having my six-month mammo and ultrasound very soon, so will see if anything shows up then. I can't feel a problem at this point.

  • karen3231950
    karen3231950 Member Posts: 25
    edited January 2011

    I wanted to compare Contura to Mammosite when I came across this forum.

    The following information regarding bras with no underwires was given to me which may help:

    "I just bought Soma's latest wirefree bras that replaced the Sofia.  They are even better.   You can look at them on soma.com.  Mine are Larissa wirefree and Body Bliss Sara wirefree.  Can wear them all day.  Chico's/Soma are great contributors for breast cancer nationally."

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited January 2011

    Karen

    I found some inexpensive bras from Curvation with no wires that work for me but they are now not available. 

    On another subject, I had my six-month Mammogram and Ultrasound on December 30, and they showed nothing (no BC, YAY!) but a benign 3 cm seroma.  I can't feel it, and am having no problem SEs with the Contura.  There are still some twinges in my nipple area due to the nerve damage during surgery.

  • bemcleod
    bemcleod Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2011

    I have had a similar experience. I had the Contura inserted this afternoon. The Contura rep was there to direct as my Dr. had ony inserted SAVI before. I too bled on insertion. The balloon was inflated and it was visible outside my skin. The cancer was only 4mmx10mm but she had removed a "golf ball sized" mass as she said there was scar tissue or something that made it look bigger on mammo and MRI. She had a hard time putting in the amount of Saline that the Contura Rep suggested....Anyway... I went directly to radiation oncology where they took several CT scans and measured for the catherter distance. Off I went home feeling a little pressure but glad to be moving on. Tonight I got a call from the radiation oncologist saying they can't proceed because it's too close to my skin. I'm so bummed. I REALLY don't want beam and am considering forgetting the radiation altogether. I will take the Femara but I've read so much about how the partial alleviates danger to other body parts and with my luck so far... I'm not keen on whole breast!!! Sorry to whine but I really feel a need to vent with someone who would understand!  Thanks Barbara

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited November 2011

    Bemcleod: I don't know where you are, but it's possible you could have the Contura removed and receive IORT if it's done right away. It's a single dose of radiation but the 10-year results are the same as for WBI.

    You'll have to do some quick research to find a place near you that offers it.  

    http://breastcanceriort.org/ 

  • TexasBetsy
    TexasBetsy Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2011

    I completed Contura radiation on 9/15/2010. I did very well until April 2011 (7 months out) I developed a seroma. In July 2011 it became very painful. It is less painful now. There is clearly a lump that hurts upon touching it and increases in discomfort when I use that arm. My balloon rested on the chest wall. My shoulder and neck have hurt since the beginning of August 2011. I exercise in a therapy pool and protect my arm. 

    The radiation oncologist seems to think this is normal. She did offer to drain the seroma, but reminded me that it would refill and draining it would offer an avenue for infection into a radiated area. It left me with very little hope. 

    After lots of hours searching I have found that some seromas eventually harden and can be surgically removed later on...

    I feel like there is very little research conducted on how women are really feeling months and years following this radiation technique. There is one paper that indicates perhaps the fractionation is too strong a dose. I know I'm happy to be alive and "cancer-free" but I readily admit the cure was worse than predicted. 

    I'd like to hear from some of you several years after APBI with contura.  

  • Vicks1960
    Vicks1960 Member Posts: 473
    edited December 2011

    Bemcleod:

    Sorry to hear about your disappointment about the Contura.  From what I understand, there can be some serious side effects if the balloon is not inserted correctly.  My RO was on the team that developed this treatment and this is what he has told me.

    TexasBetsy:

    Thank you for posting your 'results'.  I just finished my treatment on November 18.  The 21st my surgeon inserted a drain because of so much swelling and removed it last Tues, the 29th.  My BS and RO have been working as a team in my care. 

    Saw the RO for follow up on 12/01,  He said I still have a lot of fluid in the breast and advised that I massage it several times a day.  I know it sure feels better w/o the tubes, even though there is still some swelling.  With post surgery hematoma needing surgical removal, then the contura insert, 10 rad tx, then drain, the breast has been pretty well mutilated and will probably take time to heal.  BS says it could be several months for this to happen.

    I too am on Femara now, so far no SEs (only been 12 days).

    I too would like to hear from others who have gone thru this process.  I know it has been in use only a few years, something like since 2002..

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited December 2012

    Nearly a year from my last post here and still no after-effects of the Contura procedure.  My 2 Yr. clean mammo  and clean US in August 2012  showed a seroma that is gradually shrinking and causing no problems.

    Vicks1960, I credit my surgeon for a nearly perfect job of setting the groundwork for the Contura balloon and my  radiation procedure was done at the facility of the team that developed the Contura treatment.

    I feel very fortunate in my selection of physicians during this journey thru the world of breast cancer.  Praising God, here.

  • auntienance
    auntienance Member Posts: 4,216
    edited December 2012

    Vicks, I had my radiation in July 2011, I had no problems or pain with the balloon at any time, nor did I experience fatigue. I did get some radiation recall with chemo which has left an ugly mark about the size of a half dollar. I also have a seroma which I've been told can take as long as 2 years to dissolve. It causes no discomfort or pain. The worst problem I had with the whole thing was a tape rash that took a while to clear up. I was very happy overall with the whole procedure.

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