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  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    Barry, do they just mri the breast area, or do they look elsewhere for metastasis?

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    Timothy, the breast are put into coils...breast only. I believe they only do a CT scan (body scan) when the cancer is invasive.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    For those of you who are new to the yeast/candida connection to cancer...you will find this article a good read.   http://www.candida-society.org/ncs/digestv1i3.htm

    Effect of candida on the endocrine system

    Once candida has overgrown, it can bind to hormones changing their ;key' shape so they are unable to fit 'lock' in their receptor. This effectively inactivates the circulating hormone, making all endocrine problems ten times worse.

    Perhaps this is why we are plague with autoimmune diseases???

    National Candida Society
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    United Kingdom telephone: +44 (0)1689-813039
    e-mail: info@candida-society.org
    website: www.candida-society.org

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Barry, I've read good and bad about themography. Mammograms just dont feel right to me anymore. I read somewhere that you have to wait at least 2 days after a mammogram to have a thermography because the breast tissue is still too hot from the mammogram's radiation.  We have a $10,000 deductible on our insurance plan so I would have to cover the full cost of whatever it is I choose so MRI gets quite expensive.

    DCIS is what was left in my margins after my lumpectomy. My onc said that sometimes DCIS never turns to cancer but in my case since we know cancer was there, he wanted me to get more surgery.  I commented on your post about the fungal sinus infection. The calcifications they show on the x-ray are like the ones we see on a mammogram of DCIS. My mammo tech said it looks like "salt" on an x-ray. 

    Here' an excerpt from Robert Young's book Sick & Tired. 

     It is known that in every breast cancer there are calcium deposits. Specifically calcium oxilate. This is a "salt" of oxalic acid which is not made by humans but is made by most fungi.  Oxalic acid is also a primary metabolite of uric acid which means it's produced by a natural breakdown process.  Uric acid is a primary waste product of brewer's yeast. Furthermore, breast secretions in breast cancer patients are high in mycotoxins and cholesterol, associated with yeast/fungus.    

    This is the definition in the book's Glossary:

    A white, crystalline, insoluble calcium compound found as a sediment in acid urine and in urinary stones. Oxalate is a salt of oxalic acid, which is derived from uric acid and is neutralized by the body with calcium.

    I find it interesting that the same sort of thing is found in the x-ray of that FUNGAL sinus infection.  

  • Meggy
    Meggy Member Posts: 530
    edited November 2010

    Sister, even if fungal infections are a cause of breast cancer....once it progresses into high grade form and if we are unlucky enough to get one of the aggressive forms of cancer, I don't believe that simply addressing fungus is enough to saves our lives.  Her2+ is such an aggressive form of cancer and thank God scientists developed chemo and herceptin (sp).  2 cm is big enough and even with zero nodes, there could have been entrance of the cancer cells to the body through vascular invasion. 

    I am triple negative and got to keep my tumor inside while I took chemo and got to feel the tumor collapse into nothing after just 2 doses of chemo....it is a God send cure.  I wish I could take Temoxifin or herceptin to help keep it gone.  They have not invented any after-chemo targeted therapy for triple negatives yet.....I urge you to grab on to what science has to offer you.  

    Lets say for example that drinking alchohol caused my cancer (its possible)...well just  not drinking alchohol would not have cured me.  The cause and the cure can be very different.  a simple thing may cause the cancer but just treating that simple thing probably isn't enough to save a life once that cancer has developed into a high grade beast.  God bless you sister.  I hope you will consider the treatment that has saved so many of our lives.

    My oncologist told me that if it comes back to an organ is it so often does iwth metastatic cancer...it is by definition incurable.  That;s why we have to kick its a$$ up front before it has a chance to get our livers, lungs, brains, bones.  Chemo kicks a$$.  Herceptin protects.  Sorry for being so preachy.

    Meg

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Meggy, I think I understand where you are coming from and it's great that you have embraced your treatment. It's exciting to know that your tumor shrank!  I know you are coming from a place of concern.

    If you've read back through the posts, you know that I believe fungus "is" cancer and their mycotoxins cause cancer - that a "cancer cell" is a human cell infected by fungus- a hybrid cell. That being said, a "high grade form" is still fungus, therefore, it's imperative that we address not only the fungus but the mycotoxins with which it has poisoned our bodies.  Conventional doctors- even though they dont call it fungus- sometimes use anti-fungals to kill it. Did you know that taxol and tamoxefin are antifungals? 

    Something simple does not cause cancer. There are a lifetime of issues that cause your immune system to weaken enough to fail you, enough for fungus (cancer) to take over.  But I do agree that something simple isn't going to cure it. Have you tried making lifestyle changes? It's the hardest thing I've ever had to do. Bar none.  

    You say chemo "is a godsend cure" yet conventional medicine says there is no cure. You then say "if it comes back....it is by definition incurable."  If it comes back, in my opinion, you weren't cured in the first place. This unfortunately happens all the time.  "Chemo kicks a$$." I'm afraid I dont want my a$$ kicked, I want to kill the fungus. I think science that you are speaking of is flawed. 

    I believe there are those who have been "cured"-to never have it come back and those are the ones who eradicated the fungus by whatever means they chose, be it chemo or otherwise-then changed their lifestyles to ensure it didn't return.

    So many of us are willing to have these chemicals injected into our veins in hopes of a cure, without even knowing what these substances are.  You mentioned that you wish you could take Herceptin and that it protects. I wonder if you know what Herceptin is and how they make it?  If not, you can look back through the posts. I'm afraid I dont want those kinds of cells injected into my veins. I had a lumpectomy to remove the tumor, my nodes were clear. I just cant see loading myself up with these drugs to go get that one stray cell that could have gotten through.  I think my immune system, if given the right tools can handle that. Conventional medicine has helped alot of people but it has also maimed and killed so I don't share the same enthusiasm.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Impositive...You need to get rid of your insurance plan. You would do better if had no plan. Susan Koman Foundation would pay for your mammo, and biopsy. Hospitals are more like to forgive your medical bills if you have no coverage. I was self pay and they didn't care if I paid them $10 a month. Plus they cut the bill in half.  

    I heard that mammo's don't give off anymore x-rays than a plane flight. There's a lot of debate over mammograms. It was the mammo that found my califications and the biopsy the high grade dcis. But...if not mammo try a ultra sound. 

    I want to be screened for peace of mind. If I am cancer free then I will know that I'm on the right track. Of course, in just coming to understand the fungus connection, I fully realize that I could be at risk for a recurrence. I wish I had known about candida and probiotics before the lumpectomies.   

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Barry, I have often considered dropping the insurance......if it were just me I would. I started having mammograms annually at 40 but I found my own lump at 43. I dont believe mammograms are any more full proof than the other methods of detection. They may find calcifications but my onc says sometimes those never turn in to cancer. Yet, it is recommended that women undergo these ravaging treatments...while others have mammograms for years, only to find a large lump on their own. I'm not ruling out a mammogram, I just think they should be limited. After all, dont they say radiation causes cancer? 

    I agree with you on the peace of mind, I need to make a choice because I'm due for a screening. Sometimes I get a little nervous because directly under both scars (lumpectomy and SNB) there is scar tissue that feels lumpy and it freaks me out. I've spoken to my NP about taking Nystatin and Diflucan (both anti-fungals). She wants me to take a urine test to screen for microbes first so that's my next step.

    I know what you mean about hind sight. At least we know where to go from here.  It's kind of wierd...out of concern, our bc sisters post here that we should be going more of the conventional route though I feel compassion for them for having to do so because they feel they have no other choice.  Maybe if my infection were advanced, I too would go that route but I'm thankful I have a choice.  Fear propels us to take desperate measures.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3780020

    12. A transporter in the colon called SLC5A8 plays an important role in enabling the colon to get the last bit of good out of food before the unusable is flushed away, according to research currently published online as an accelerated communication in the Journal of Biological Chemistry. The finding that SLC5A8 is the transporter helps clarify why fruits and vegetables are good for you and why antibiotics, which wipe out good bacteria along with bad, should only be taken when absolutely necessary, upset the model and colonic cells get sick and may even become cancerous. "We do not make the enzyme to digest cellulose; bacteria make the enzyme in the colon," says Dr. Ganapathy

    "The gut is a huge immune organ; there are more immune cells in our gut than there are in the rest of the body put together," says Dr. Robert G. Martindale, MCG gastrointestinal surgeon and nutritionist with a special interest in probiotics giving patients good bacteria to restore a healthy flora. "The work that Dr. Ganapathy is doing is showing very nicely that if, in fact, we keep this short-chain fatty acid transporter healthy, we then can keep the whole immune system healthy."

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

     http://drmccombs.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/75-candida-studies-the-candida-fact-sheet/

    Modern medicine states that systemic Candida exists only in immunocompromised individuals, as a result of AIDS, immunosuppressive therapy, such as in organ transplants, or chemotherapy.

    Science states otherwise, and extends that list to include: diabetes, premature infants, surgical patients; (7)(10)(66) hematological malignancies; (8) hospitalized patients, especially in Intensive Care Units, or having major injuries;(10) burn victims; (54) nutritional deficiencies; (22) as well as aging. (22)(35)(36)(37) alcoholism, cirrhosis, tuberculosis, cancer, corticosteroids, marrow hyperplasia;

    Candida has the ability to destroy immune cells, (3)(23)(24)(26)(49) hide from the immune system, (4)(19) adapt to the inner environment of immune cells, (5)(38)(39) resist and suppress ROI and NO production of immune cells, (15)(16)(27)(43) destroy binding sites and receptors of immune cells, (25)(31)(33)(34) manipulate immune responses, (28)(53)(70)(74) and affect immune cell structure. (42)(73)

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Impositive...we're both due for screening. Hopefully we will celebrate being cancer free.

  • jdootoo
    jdootoo Member Posts: 253
    edited November 2010

    Good morning everyone!

    I have been following this thread for the past couple of weeks and I wanted to share my (unscientific yet intuitional) thoughts on the Fungal Theory.

    Though I would never consider treating my cancer with sodium bicarbonate/maple syrup alone, I have reason to believe this will be beneficial to me as in conjunction with traditional methods.

    Because I lived in the Caribbean for a few years, I developed Tinea Versicolor, which is a fungal based skin disorder that can be caused by overexposure to saltwater. I have had this for many years and still have flare-ups. A while back I discovered a company in Canada where I could get Selenium Sulfide lotion and had it shipped to me. Within a week of using the lotion, the Tinea disappeared (it does reoccur occasionally).

    One of my first thoughts after my dx was that it had been caused by using the Selenium Sulfide. However, after doing some research, I found that it is actually considered preventative medicine. (?!)

    I have also been thinking about how my 8 year old developed thrush when I was nursing him and how that may have introduced Candida to my breast or maybe it was already present.

    Anyway, I know that there has been a fungal presence in my body for a long while and I personally believe that flushing out the fungus and yeast will help me to prevent a recurrence. Even if it is a bunch of hooey, this gives me something to believe in, and that is one of the best things for me! Smile

    One love, Jackie 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    jdootoo, Natural Mystic....Let me just say I envy you! Living in the Caribbean, what a dream. It's my family's most favorite place in the world. We visit Jamaica once a year, the ultimate vacation.

    I love your last sentence. I said in an earlier post that I dont want to be a victim and knowing the cause of cancer gives us the power over it. Knowing I can be responsible for conquering it gives me hope and the strength to fight. That's empowerment!  Goodluck in your journey.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

     jdootoo...you are wise. All cancer patients would benefit by treating the candida problem along with conventional treatment.
    Diagnosis: 11/27/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Interesting Article

    Cancer is Caused by Infected Injuries

    By Ronald Gdanski, Author of the book CANCER, Cause, Cure and Cover-up.

    IJust look at the mysteries regarding cancer. Up to 96% of cancer cells have membrane traits. Why? Bone cancer does not result in unrestrained bone growth. Why not? We never have cancer of the heart, arteries or veins. Why not? Injuries that do not heal cause cancer. Why? Cancer occurs most frequently within liquid storage vessels such as the stomach, colon, bladder, breast, prostate, etc. Why? There are far too many cancer observations that cannot be answered by the defective gene theory, including growth itself.

    Genes do not control growth any more than a steering wheel controls an automobile or a traffic cop controls traffic. The traffic cop does not make cars drive down the street, the steering wheel does not power the automobile, and genes do not cause cells to divide and multiply. Biology texts state that genes have only two functions: store information and duplicate it in the form of RNA. Genes control the direction of growth and maintain the continuity of life. All genes are combinations of 2 functionally equal base pairs called AT and CG. There are only 64 possible combinations known as the "Universal Genetic Code". All genes produce amino acids, none of which control other genes. The very existence of oncogenes has never been proven. It's just a theory totally lacking in a scientific basis.

    Parasitic Larvae Cause Cancer

    Reliable historic data shows that a cancer researcher initiated cancer in healthy laboratory animals by infecting them with parasitic larvae from a worm found in horses. He proved that parasitic larvae can cause cancer, and that cancer starts with an infection of them. Have you ever heard that someone was able to prove that parasites cause cancer? Can you name the researcher? Ask your doctor if this is true.

    If you refer to www.nobelprizes.com, (1926) you will discover that a Dr. Fibiger of Denmark initiated cancer in the laboratory in 1913. Mainstream medicine is fully aware of his discovery because Fibiger received the Nobel Prize in Medicine for this achievement. Why is this 80 year old cause of cancer research ignored and suppressed? Is there a cover-up in progress?

    How do parasitic larvae cause cancer? Perhaps they didn't know then, but we do know now. Read on.

    Infection Plus Injury Causes Cancer

    Oncologists advise: "At the first sign of abnormal bleeding, call your doctor." The terms "benign growth, cyst, polyp and pre-cancerous lesion" describe a mass of abnormal and infected cells closely related to cancer when something triggers rapid growth. Physical injuries that do not heal, due to infection, also lead to cancer.

    Healing of a cut finger, or lack of healing if the cut becomes infected, demonstrates the all-natural cause of cancer. Rapid doubling of cells to repair injuries is due to an increased energy field called the current-of-injury. The autonomic current-of-injury stays on until the injury is healed. If the injury is infected healing does not take place but cells continue to divide and multiply endlessly. These mutated cells are rejected like a skin graft that does not take and collect mainly in our storage vessels.

    The current of injury that causes human cells to double rapidly also causes the pathogens inside the cells to double rapidly. Fungi and other infectious microbes have genes to produce growth factors for membrane cells, just as mushrooms, a fungi, produce the skin of a mushroom. Human and parasitic life-form cells simultaneously produce growth factors for membrane cells to repair the membrane. The resulting daughter cells end up with mutations in the cell wall. The new cells do not knit with original cells and fail to heal. The current-of-injury stays on. Infected cells and pathogens continue to divide, mutate, and multiply. Lack of knitting results in metastasis. That's cancer explained with all-natural causes and existing data.

    The reason why only membrane cells multiply is that pathogens have growth factors for membrane walls but none to differentiate cells into bones, muscle, fat or other body organs. Cancer does not occur often in muscle or fat tissue because there are very few membrane cells in muscle and fat tissue. We do not have cancer of the heart, arteries or veins because the oxygen level is too high for cancer cells. Cancer occurs in liquid storage vessels because the oxygen level is suitable for cancer cells and relatively thick membranes form the container walls. The frequency of our major cancers-lung, colon, breast, bladder, prostate, etc. - are directly proportional to the size of the vessel and the frequency of infection. Virus do not cause cancer directly. Virus cause growths, such as warts. Injuries trigger rapid growth.

    Leukemia is a fungal infection of white blood cells, called leukocytes. Leukemia does not form tumors because leukocytes do not form membranes. Brain tumors initiate in membrane walls within the skull. Cancer consumes only those cells that require growth factors parasites don't have.

    The trigger that causes a pre-cancerous lesion to become malignant cancer growth is a break in the membrane wall. That's why up to 96% of cancer cells have membrane cell traits. That's why investigative surgery of a benign growth often triggers cancer.

    Cancer occurs when the repair-of-injury mechanism is trapped in high gear multiplying infected membrane cells that fail to heal the intended injury.

    Rate of cancer growth is dependent upon the size of the injury, the vitality of the body, and the quantity of nutrients and other growth factors essential for DNA division and cellular growth. "Yeast Artificial Chromosome" from yeast infections such as Candida also increases the rate of cancer cell growth. Eliminating parasites eliminates the source of these essential growth factors.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited November 2010

    Ladies I have just read this entire thread, and have a rather delicate question. I have been on antibiotics for 6 weeks, and am now on Femara. I know the 6 weeks of antibiotics must have really destoryed my immune system, and now the Femara isn't helping. Does anyone have any suggestions of what I should be using to settle my intestines? This has been going on way to long, and it's seems to be really dragging my system down.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Kira1234, Good grief-6 weeks! I'm sure the antibiotics have killed all the good bacteria in your gut. If it were me, I would get on a good pro-biotic. I like Dr Ohhira's Probiotics 12 Plus because it doesn't have to be refrigerated, contains no dairy, soy or gluten. (You can find it online or at some health food stores.)  I would double up on the recommended dosage at first, until your symptoms start to get better.  Pro-biotics and a diet void of sugars and anything that immediately turns to sugar in your blood (ie: flour, bread, potatoes, etc.) will go a long way.  

    I also urge you to go to Knowthecause.com. Find the search box at the top middle of the page and enter your state. This will give you his program listings in your area and you can watch his show.  (I DVR it.) He has some very useful information regarding this subject. 

    Best wishes and I hope this helps.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited November 2010

    Thanks impositive, I have done some of things you recomment already. I have gotten sugar,flour, and potatoes out of my diet already. It's rather interesting, I found Know the cause on TV the other day, and found what he said made so much sense to me. aaaaaai will look for the probiotics you mentioned and buy them. I sure could use lots of help in that area. Yes 6 weeks is a long time. At least the infection is gone, just hope the breast opening heals soon.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Kira, my naturalpath suggested probiotics that are refergerated. She says that probiotics are alive and she doesn't trust the ones that aren't. Do you have a naturalpathic doctor? They are such a help. Most will work with you when it comes to $$$

    For healing of wounds my naturalpath doctor suggested I take l-Glutamine. l-Glutamine builds new tissue ... important for healing of wounds. It also helps to heal leaky gut.

    Glutamine, or L-glutamine, is an amino acid derived from another amino acid, glutamic acid. Glutamine plays a role in the health of the immune system, digestive tract, and muscle cells, as well as other bodily functions. It appears to serve as a fuel for the cells that line the intestines. Heavy exercise, infection, surgery, and trauma can deplete the body's glutamine reserves, particularly in muscle cells.

  • taranebraska
    taranebraska Member Posts: 129
    edited November 2010

    barry and impositive - thank you so much for starting a great thread, and managing to keep the naysayers mostly at bay.  Back in August I faced the decision to chemo or not due to my early statge BC and Her2+ status, and even posted looking for support to say no to chemo.  Yes, I felt fear, and I read as much as I could, but I ultimately felt the rational thing FOR ME to do was to go the chemo route.  (I just finished tx#4, 2 more to go).  Perhaps it was because I started making some of the connections that taxol/taxotere comes from yew trees that the medical world is, in its own twisted and greedy way, using nature to treat us.  Perhaps it was because BC was my 2nd cancer, Hodgkins disease was my first 13 years ago in which I refused chemo but not radiation, and I was ready for heavy artillery for the BC - which I'm pretty sure was caused by the radiation to my chest for treating Hodgkins.  (Hodgkins is linked to the Epstein-Barr virus - I will do some reading down that road now due to your thread.)

    I am so impressed with your knowledge and ability to read these atrotiously technical documents and break them down for us.  I have a couple questions that maybe you guys can answer so I can understand them!

    1.  I read somewhere that what is such a challenge about cancer (or fungus/tumor) is that it fools our immune system into thinking it is a collection of normal cells, and the immune system doesn't fight it and that's why it is allowed to continue on, not necessarily that our immune system somehow fails to do its job.  Rather, it gets fooled.  Does this fit into some of the theories here on your thread?

    2.  Early in your posts, someone discusses cutting out the bad part of an apple.  I've read that when a piece of fruit starts to go bad with one spot, the decaying process has begun throughout.  Same with mold on bread, once a spot is seen, the process is already started throughout - and the experts say throw the whole thing out rather than cutting the bad part off and eating the rest.  That's how I understood cancer as well.  I've heard the eat right, take supplements to PREVENT the first cancer from ever getting started is the way to go, but once the injury/fungus/cancer has begun, the dietary supplemental changes one could make just simply aren't enough to jolt your entire system into adequately attacking these pesky aggressive cells that have already infiltrated your system hunting for places to land and cause new tumors.  What are your views on that?

    I hope you'll have time to comment - I have truly appreciated your intellect!

    tara

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    tara, impositive is the expert! I've only seriously looked into the fungus theory since my recent candida infection.  It's been a fancinating study. It's changed how I look at diseases and my health.

    I'm the one who brought up the cutting out the bad spot of a apple with wide margins in comparison to why we need wide margins in cutting out cancer. I would be interested in how impositive would respond to that one...or what Kauffman would say? My gut reasoning is that decaying (fungus) spreads...maybe if caught early, hopefully it hasn't yet spread to the core of the apple...comparing it to breast cancer. You wouldn't want to cut off your whole breast if just one small part of the breast was infected with cancer? In regard to the body, where does the infection begin and stop? My question now is should you cut out the bad spot? I read that injury can cause cancer. Surgery can put us at risk for cancer in that if the area where surgery was done becomes infected ... it can become cancerous. Just like any sore or wound that doesn't heal. Not sure what I think about foregoing surgery? Without surgery how would you get rid of the cancer? What about benign biopsy's? Right now, I lean toward surgery. Greater risk to leave the cancer in the body.

    Your question tara...I read somewhere that what is such a challenge about cancer (or fungus/tumor) is that it fools our immune system into thinking it is a collection of normal cells, and the immune system doesn't fight it and that's why it is allowed to continue on, not necessarily that our immune system somehow fails to do its job.  Rather, it gets fooled.  Does this fit into some of the theories here on your thread?

    Yes...I read that fungus fools the immune system...mostly in that it latches onto our normal cells and the white blood cells sees the yeast on the normal cells and for that reason attacks them.  I also read that when the immune system is suppressed or the death of our good bacteria that candida (being a opportunistic fungus) takes over. There isn't enough of the good bacteria or the immune system weakened can't control the yeast.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited November 2010

    barry, Thanks for the info. It's sort of funny my DH came home with some probiotics last night that needed refrigeration for me. I guess great minds think alike. I will say my gut is less angry already today.

    I already use L-glutamine. I had started using it for chemo, and found when I stopped my hands and feet started to get numb, so went back on it.

    I wish I could go to a Naturalist. I have a friend who suggested hers to me when she found out I had BC. At this time the money just isn't there. My insurance doesn't cover any Naturalist type Dr's., so will need to wait till the money is there. That's why I am so glad my BS suggested I turn to this community.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    In my opinion it wouldn't hurt us to every once in a while to do a candida clease. My daughter has been on it for two weeks. I'm amazed at the change in her. She was always fatigued, especially after teaching. She is feeling peppy after a full day of work, and overall feels healthier and happier.

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited November 2010

    dang and i just went and bought probiotics off the shelf

    should i stop taking it?

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited November 2010

    where do u get the refrigerated kind?

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited November 2010

    I got mine at Walgreens. I think most drug stores sell them.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Claire, do you have a health store such as New Seasons? Most health stores have refregerated probiotics. The health stores also have colon cleanses and other products to rid yourself of candida. Try Pau D Arco tea for detoxing yourself of candida.

    .

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    http://video.answers.com/learn-about-probiotics-120710893

    http://www.drjondunnnewsletters.com/Newsletters/2009-10Probiotics.html

    Studies on probiotics

    Two studies, both done in Seattle WA, have raised concern about probiotic purity and viability.  The first study was done in 1990 at the University of Washington and the second by Bastyr University in 2004.   Each time from 16-20 probiotic products were gathered from local health food stores and examined.  Results showed that most of the probiotics were not as labeled, potentially unsafe for public consumption and often dead.

    Specifically, the 1990 study found only four of the 16 products contained live Lactobacillus acidophilus and 11 of the 16 had contaminants, some of them not fit for human consumption.  The 2004 study found only one product with probiotics exactly as stated on the label, 30 percent had contaminants and 20 percent were dead.  Culturelle Lactobacillus GG was the one that was true to the label.  It was a refrigerated brand, and was the most expensive. 

    All refrigerated brands had some acidophilus present, although purity was an issue with both refrigerated and non-refrigerated brands.  Refrigerated brands that didn't hold up to label specifications include Natural Factors Acidophilus and bifidus, Natures Way Acidophilus, Natures Way Primadophilus,  Solgar Multi billion Dophilus with FOS, Town and Country Acidophilus, KAL Acidophilus Probioitc 4 and Natures Life Milk free acidophilus. 

    All room temperature products were either dead, contained contaminants and/or contained bacteria that were not as labeled.   Products evaluated included Bartell Brand Acidophilus, Nature's Bounty Acidophilus, Natrol Acidophilus, Twin Labs Yeast Fighter, Natural Brand Acidophilus Plus and Rite Aid Drugstores Acidophilus. 

    These studies raise several concerns for consumers of probiotic products.  Mislabeled products will fail to produce the desired results claimed by legitimate research.  Mislabeled products with impurities can pose a health threat, especially to those who are immune compromised or susceptible.  Whether the problems with these products occurred at the manufacturer, during shipping or while on the retailer's shelf was not determined by these studies.

    What to do

    • Buy only refrigerated brands from reputable health food store suppliers.
    • Buy the most expensive one.
    • Focus on Lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus as these have the most research behind them.
    • Historically, due to improper freezing-drying techniques, mixed blends were more likely to self destruct. I still recommend "simple is better" and suggest an emphasis on just Lactobacillus acidophilus or acidophilus and bifidus combinations.
    • Ask your supplier for proof (certificate of analysis) that their products are what the label claims, not just when it left the supplier, but after it has sat on the retailers shelf for an extended period of time.
  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    The second way to boost probiotic bacteria is to eat foods that feed friendly bacteria.

    Foods that Contain Prebiotics

    • Asparagus
    • Burdock root
    • Eggplant
    • Fruit (especially bananas)
    • Garlic
    •  artichokes
    • Leeks
    • Legumes
    • Onions
    • Peas
    • Soybeans
    • Tomatoes
  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    There is a lot of information on probiotics over the Internet, whose only intent is to sell their product. It's best, if possible to go to your local health store or naturalpathic doctor.

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