The Fungal Theory
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Barry, I just spent a bit of time researching the candida albicans. Some straings of candida albicans can become intracellular, and they can bud within the cell. However, intracelluar buds of candida albicans would be easy to identify with a microscope as they retain their own morphology even when intracellular. Typically an intracelluar organism reproduces (its own cells, not human or cancer cells) within the host organism, and the cell lyses (breaks apart) to release the new yeast, not cancer cells. Other micro-organisms other than candia albicans can do the same thing. A microscope examination of a cancer tumor would show if there was any evidence of candida albicans present.
The article referenced refers to meningitis, not cancer. Furthermore, a good portion of the article is not how the organism invades cells, but how it manages to get past the protective layer of epithelial cells.
Again, the fungus would need to be established as changing the DNA of the host cell if it is cancer causing.
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motheroffoursons, First of all let me say I commend you, 4 sons? That alone deserves some kind of award! Kidding of course, I have one and though he trys my patience at times he's the light of my life.
You say in your above post "the fungus would need to be established as changing the DNA of the host cell if it is cancer causing."
This has actually been established already. I posted (on Nov 12) excerpts as well as a link to an article written by Kerry Scott Cane MD, entitled Alfatoxin, Tobacco, and the P53 Tumor Suppressor Gene, Cancers Missing Link?
We know where it damages our DNA and which exact genetic mutation it can cause. (The P53 tumor suppressor gene as well as ras muations which are involved in the majority of human cancers.)
Aflatoxin is a by-product of fungus, not the fungus itself.
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Ras mutations...I didnt understand it so I looked it up and it helped me to better understand what this all meant.
Ras is a subfamily of proteins that is involved in signaling the the cell. Activation of ras signalling causes cell growth, differentation and survival. Under normal conditions, it is switched on and off. Ras signals from outside the cell in to the nucleus. Ras mutations in the genes (in this case caused by aflatoxin) can permanently activate it (signal it to always be in the "on" position) causing cells to grow and divide uncontrollably.
So....if a by-product of fungi can do this and we know it can, science says so, then it's not such a long shot to buy into this "theory."
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motheroffoursons ... I admit to being a novice in understanding the fungus theory...which is why, I'm here. Due to my recent candida overgrowth, I also have done quite a bit of reading about candida. In my research, I do see a correlation between cancer and fungus. At this point, I'm not sure if fungus is a factor in the development of cancer or if cancer is fungus.
In what I understand there are over a 1000 different types of funguses (spores). This is why studying the fungus theory is complex. Science knows enough about the fungus to develop antibiotics, yet would not discuss candida infection as a disease with me...at least this was my experience. Of recent, my clinic said that they don't do candida testing. I would have to see a naturalpath for candida. Why?
Yes, our cells need sugar for energy...also oxoygen. The yeast, fungus competes for the sugar (it has no other energy source). My question is that yeast infections (fungus) are sooo similiar to cancer that it makes me wonder if they are not one in the same? If yeast gets into our cells, couldn't the fermenting of the yeast in our cell change the DNA of the cell?
I also read that some cancers begin by injury to a cell (lesion). At the point of injury the fungus factor plays into the making of cancer. I'm not sure?
I'm open ... just hope that everyone will bring valuable information of the fungus theory to the table.
I do apprecite Impositive extensive study.
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From what I read, fungus travels via through our blood vessels to organs. The fungus latches on to our cells (such as thyroid). When the white blood cells sees the thyroid cell, it doesn't recognize it as from us. It sees the candida and sends out antibodies to destroy our cell. This is why we develope thyroid antibodies. I have Hashiminto ... a autoimmune disease. I read that most autoimmune disease are caused by candida infections...latching onto our cells.
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Barry, Wow, I can see why all this really concerns you. Breast cancer, candida infection AND Hashimoto!! Have you been able to stick to an anti-fungal plan as a lifestyle or did you just do it for the candida infection? I know for me it's so hard especially when I'm the only one in my household who is. When you are sticking to it, do you find your symptoms getting better with the Hashimotos?
I believe fungus can be implicated in most if not all autoimmune disorders. Of course traditional medicine doesn't see it because they've never been taught to look! If we have an ailment, and they say "Well, you have XXXX but we dont know what causes it so there's no cure for it, however we do have drugs that can manage your symptoms" I say, "fungus."
You may know this or someone else here so correct me if I'm wrong... Insurance won't pay for treatment or testing of a systemic candida infection. Is that why your clinic wouldn't test you? It's a huge medical failure when it (candida) is recognized by the medical profession but because insurance doesn't cover it, they dont recognize it!
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Impositive, After two courses of antibitotics, for a mouth infection April 2010, my naturalpathic doctor suggested I take probiotics. I knew nothing of probiotics. I learned that the mouth infection was aggrevated by yeast ... the antibiotics made it worse. I figured a month of probiotics and yeast free diet should get rid of the candida. I got a little better, but still had mouth sores and health issues.
I thought my problem had more to do with a weakened immune system. After a cold in September, I knew something else was very wrong with me. I learned that I had H Pylori. I had to take 2 different antibiotics for 14 days. I knew I was at risk for another candida infection so I began researching candida and H Pylori. It was then, when I learned that candida was at the root of many of my problems and it wasn't going to be easy to get rid of.
I was on a yeast free diet most of Sept thru October...Lately, I have not been as disciplined as I should. Holidays are my downfall. I said yesterday...after Christmas, I'll be yeast free. I would like to gain back at least ten pounds
It Diagnosis: 11/27/2008, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Since this thread is now talking about aflatoxins, I'll chime in to add my own piece of knowledge on this topic. Y'all can decide if you find it interesting or useful.
I live where cotton is a predominant crop and I worked a couple of seasons years ago at a cotton gin in their office. During processing, the cotton is separated from the seeds. So imagine a big rig truck that you see on highways every day and then imagine a handful of test tubes. If aflatoxin if found in any of those samples, US cottonseed makers will not accept the load. So think about that for a moment. One handful out of a full tractor trailer determines the acceptance of the entire load. That by itself gives me pause. But there's more to the story.
What happens to the trailers found to contain aflatoxin? They go to Mexico where they typically use it for cattle feed. So if you drink milk or eat beef that comes from Mexico, perhaps you might want to factor in the real possibility that the cow was eating cottonseeds containing aflatoxin.
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Aflatoxins belong to a group of toxins called mycotoxins, which are derived from fungi.
Aflatoxins are the most toxic, naturally occurring carcinogens known. Aflatoxin B1 is an extremely hepatocarcinogenic compound, causing cancer of the liver in humans.
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So far we've heard at least 5 different ideas discussed here:
1. Cancer is fungus, a mistaken diagnosis leads to a mistaken treatment (Simoncini's idea)
2. Cancer is caused by fungus invading the human body and / or cells
3. Cancer can be caused by toxins (aflatoxin for instance) produced by fungus and which can enter our body through contaminated food
4. Fungi such as yeasts can find cancer patients weakened hosts and cause further problems
5. Fungi can provide substances such as beta glucans which may assist in fighting cancer and other diseases
6 Fungi (White Cap Mushrooms for instance) can produce substances that act as aromatase inhibitors, and possibly benefit ER positive breast cancer patients through reducing estrogen levels (from this thread?).
7. Some fungi such as cordyceps can increase estradiol E2 levels (not from this thread).
We've covered a lot of ground here in this thread. I'm not endorsing any of the above ideas, just trying to summarize the different directions this discussion has taken.
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Timothy, Nice summarization. I guess we have covered some ground. It's weird but I have learned alot just tossing things around on here. I believe in this so much so that I'm willing to stake my life on it. (Which, according to the ladies at the beginning of this thread is exactly what I'm doing.) When someone has a question or makes attempts at debunking the theory, I'm burying my nose on PubMed or Medscape, etc. to try and find more information. So thank you to those of you who have commented both ways here.
It's funny, as I read your summary, this is what I saw....
Cancer, a mistaken diagnosis that leads to mistaken treatment, including surgery, chemo and radiation. It is caused by fungus which can enter your body through the air we breath (toxic mold), through our food supply (grains, peanuts, etc) and even sometimes through our medications (antibiotics). Fungi can weaken its host stealing it's nutrients and by producing poisons. Once weakened, fungi can proliferate and overcome it's host, even to the point of death, especially when traditional treatments have all but shut down the host's immune system.
Fungi are ubiquitous and have survived for centuries. They can help us and they can seriously harm us, therefore, we need to educate ourselves, stop depending on our doctors to cure us, after all, they are men and women who put their pants on the same way we all do. Take some responsibility in our own outcomes (ie diet, exercise). Demand that this be researched more so that we can finally put an end to all this unnecessary pain and suffering.
If we know the cause, we can conquer it once and for all!
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What treatment options has your oncologist suggested? What are your thoughts on herceptin, if that has been suggested? Have they done any treatment as yet (lumpectomy?)?
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Altea...interesting story. Even here in the US, grains and cottonseed with more than 20 parts per billion are turned away for human consumption and it goes into feed for the cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, etc, up to 300 ppb. Guess what can happen to the grains that are rejected for livestock feed? (with over 300ppb) They can be used to make the alcohol we drink; beer, wine, liquor. Ever wonder why alcohol is so toxic to the liver? Could it be the mycotoxins? The medical community has touted red wine as being good for us. The attention is due to it's resveratrol (from the grape skins), a potent antioxidant, but if it also has mycotoxins, I think the bad outweighs the good as there are much better ways to get your resveratrol .
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Impositive, I'm leary of drugs, I fear more the side effects of drugs than the disease. But...surgery may be necessary. If my apple has a bad spot on it, I'm going to cut it off with wide margins. The bad spot on the apple is not going to return to looking like a normal apple...no matter what I do. The bad spot is mold. For this reason I had 2 lumpectomies.
I don't like that antibiotics destroys the good bacteria, but when there is a bacteria infection that is destroying you...than it's necessary to nuke the bad bacteria (as long as what you are putting into your body doesn't change your DNA or endanger your life). My son would had died in hours of menningicoal if he had not been put on antibitiocs. I ask my naturalpathic doctor if there was anything natural that could erradicate H Pylori. She said no.. antibiotics was necessary... I had to do the triple therapy for 2 weeks.
The sad part about having to take hard drugs is that the doctors don't recommend or tell you anything about probiotics to replace the good bacteria or ways to build back your immunity.
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Timothy, (was your question directed to me?)
I had a lumpectomy with SNB (0/8 nodes were positive for cancer) Margins were not clear, they said they still contained DCIS. I did not go back for more surgery. My Onc suggested TCH for 6 months then just Herceptin for 6 more and if I did not have a mastectomy, he wanted me to do 6 months of radiation.
My thoughts on Herceptin....It's a drug with possible major side effects. I know the studies show it's had great success with my kind of cancer but here is how a monoclonal antibody is made:
They inject a mouse with the kind of tumor cells they are wanting to target so that the mouse makes antibodies against the antigen. They then mix spleen cells from the mouse with the target cells. This creates a hybrid cell (after infusing it with chemicals) that they then inject into the veins of human beings. One problem with this is that mouse antibodies are seen be the human immune system as foreign (DUH!) and the human body mounts an immune response to them, producing HAMA (human anti-mouse antibodies) These not only cause the "therapeutic" antibodies to be eliminated but also form immune complexes that cause damage to the kidneys.
I DO NOT want hybrid cells containing mouse antibodies injected into me! Furthermore, unless your immune system has totally been shut down by chemo therapy, I believe that the human body can produce the antibodies needed to do the same thing. We need to build our immune systems when we discover we have cancer, not tear it down with chemo and then inject some thing foreign so that our immune systems have to work that much harder to win the war.
Herceptin is relatively new. I wouldn't want to be years down the road after having had it to find yet another complication from it. (Such as they did with the hormonal therapy's with pregnant mare's urine.)
But that's just me......
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Yes, I watch Doug Houfman on the tv show, " Know the Cause" and I think they're just might be something to that!! Still looking into it.. Let us know what you find out. Thanks Oceanlove
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Impositive...wow...you are putting what you preach to the test. I might had been a little more aggressive if I had positive nodes, like a mx. But...I believe the body is smart and knows how to heal itself. The problem it is hard to make a life style change in diet, exercise and live stress free.
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If my apple has a bad spot on it, I'm going to cut it off with wide margins.
That's how I think of it, and that's why I'm ultimately opting to go with the recommended mastectomy rather than yet another re-excision + radiation. (Funny, for the last year, whenever I've cut off the bad spot off an apple, potato, etc., I always think "Got to get nice wide margins!")
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Barry, I sooo agree! All the research and studying is the easy part. Putting it into action...that's the hard part. But I know I have to so I continue to try to work it out.
I may have been pushed into taking more of the traditional route as well, had my nodes been positive but it would have been fear that led me there and not rational thinking. I'm so thankful I had time to think it through.
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Crunchy,
What can you tell me about iodine. What and how much do you take? How do you know if youre deficient?
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Impositive, Do you have a naturalpathic doctor? It was the first of Feb, 2009 when I learned that I was hypothyroid and then Hashiminto. I learned that most bc women have a thyroid problem, and a good number iodine deficient. There is a thyroid loading test you can take. Look up Stop the Thyroid Madness...much information there...and if you can weed through the junk ...there's good info on the thryoid, iodine and cancer connection thread.
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Barry,Yes I do have a naturalpathic doc. Both she and my regular doc have tested my thyroid and tell me it is fine, however, I have all the classic symptoms of low thyroid not to mention, my mother and aunt both take medication for low thyroid. It's really weird that in all my searching for information, iodine has never come up. I saw Crunchypoodlemamas signature at the bottom of her posts so I thought it might be something I should look into. I'll check those out.Thanks!
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Impositive...what are your thyroid symptoms? Are you being screened annually for cancer?
You can order iodoral over the Internet or through your naturalpath. If I were in your shoes I would take one for awhile. If the thyroid syptoms disappear than you know it was the problem. If they don't, I would ask for further testing.
What exactly are you doing for candida? Candida can cause similiar results as a low thyroid.
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Barry, I am cold intolerant, almost always cold,especially feet! I have these wonderful warmers that I wear at night, otherwise I cant sleep. Dry skin, weakness, fatigue, brain fog, deceased libido, difficulty losing weight.
What (cancer) screenings do you mean? My onc told me he could screen my blood but the results aren't very reliable. My naturalpath did a 24 hour saliva test and my adrenals are fatigued. I take licorice root for that.
For the candida, I am following Kaufmann's Phase 1 diet (lo carb, whole foods) which is no sugar, no grains, (no white stuff) no fruit except lemons, limes, grapefruit. (Basically meat and veggies). I was taking olive leaf extract as an antifungal but just ran out so I think I will switch up my antifungal to oregano oil or something.
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Impositive...hmmm...sounds like you are hypothyroid. There seems to be a lot of people who have symptoms with negative blood results, but are hypothyroid. You really need to get on Stop Thyroid Madness...That site has all the info you need.
I was shocked when my blood test reveiled that I was hypothyroid. At the most, I might had been ten pounds overweight. I tend to run cold, low blood pressure, but high energy level. My cholesterol was extremely high. Feb will be my 2 year mark to being dx with hypothyroism. I'm still on thyroid meds, but my cholesterol is now normal, my blood pressure normal, not cold, and of recent my antibodies have dropped. I contribute most of it to addressing the yeast problem in my body and of course my body finally stablizing.
Have you used Spilantaues Usnea for your candida? I was so weak and ill with candida that I couldn't swallow or eat. I used 4 drops spilantaues usnea on my white thick swollen tongue in a day's time. At the end of the day the pain ceased, and I could eat. The next day my tongue regained it's color...sores healing and etc. The sales lady said at the health food store that they sell it a lot to people who have yeast infections. All I know is it works.
Pau D Arco tea is suppose to be good to detox your body of yeast ... I've read that it helped it eliminating tumors....should get the source of info on that one.
Cancer screening...are you getting annual mri's or mammo's? It concerns me that you had invasive nodes. My naturalpath said that doctors are great for dx. That's basically the only reason I see my primary doc's. If you do get bc or cancer anywhere it is good to know what you got and how to fight it. I'm hopefully getting a mri before January.
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This is a interesting video on fungus in the body...warning to those with a sensitive stomach...the u tube surgery to remove the fungus might make your stomach a little queasy. The fungus does resemble cancer.
http://www.NoseSinus.com. Dr Kevin Soh describes what is fungal sinusitis, and how it can cause nose polyps. Learn how surgeons approach the maxillary sinus
Fungus In Your Sinus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAHLM4M2z6w&feature=related -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_pjBLIkI1w
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO!
What do you know of ellagic acid. Amazing if it's true.
If it is good... inexpensive place to purchase it is on the website vita cost for a mere $10. At least this is what someone else posted.
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Barry, That video of the fungal sinusitis is interesting. (You're right though, not for the week stomach!) It's interesting, at the 1:26 mark in the video it shows calcifications in the sinus and its says that's how they know it's fungus.
OK, switch to breast cancer....what are the calcifications they see on our mammograms that indicate cancer or pre-cancer???
It doesn't surprise me that ellagic acid fights cancer. It's another one of those plant compounds we've talked about. I will add that to my list of anti-fungals! Also, I had never heard of spilantaues usnea so I looked it up. I found one at morningstarhealth.com that has Usnea lichen 30%, oregano leaf and flower 28%, spilantaues flowering herb 28%, and Paul d'Arco 14%. Sounds like a potent antifungal! I'm looking to change my anti-fungals. (Kaufmann says to rotate them) so I might try that. How does it taste? If it tastes bad, I have a hard time forcing it. Capsules work better for me.
Screenings...I'm a year out from my diagnosis and I am due! I've been putting off a mammogram and an looking into thermography. Do you know anything about those. I think I saw a thread at some point. I need to do a search.
Oh btw, my lymph nodes were clear. They took 8 of them and found nothing. (thank goodness).
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Where do you get spilantaues usnea?
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I picked up spilantaues usnea at New Seasons in their wellness center. If you can't find it PM me and I'll purchase it here for you and send it to you for cost. It cost about $12.00. It is slightly bitter, not bad. After a few seconds it wasn't that noticable. It's better to put it right on your tongue. That ways it isn't lost in your digestive system. It goes thoughout your system. Again the sales woman said that it seems to be people favorite product for candida.
Pau D Arco tea is bitter, but also good at detoxing your body of toxins and candida. You have to get used to the tea. I only had it a few times. I'm not going to seriously detox until after the holidays
Impositive ... I'm so glad your nodes weren't positive. I misread your post. I am relieved! My naturalpath recommends a mri. I asked her about thermography, she said it points out hot spots, but can miss cancer...especially dcis. When you been dx with cancer it's good to be screened. I'm also due for my annual mri. It will be two years this Dec since my last lumpectomy. The best route is a mri once a year if you can afford it, and a annual mammogram. After my two year annivarsity in December, I'm only going to do a annual mammogram...cost of mri's is going up on insurance plan. But I've read it take years for dcis to become invasive....so...we need to be screen for five years??? I'm hoping with all that I've learned and am doing that I will never again be dx with cancer. I do have concerns in that it's taken two years to learn why my body turned (broke down) on me in the first place.
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