Changing jobs in the middle of treatment? Am I stupid?

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heathermcd
heathermcd Member Posts: 142

So, here's the deal: I have a steady job with fantastic insurance and flexibility (due to FMLA and how long i've been here) to get my treatments and work from home on bad chemo days. The thing is, I can barely stand to come to this job anymore. I've been here for what seems like forever, I dislike my supervisor, and go home and cry at night because i'm super unhappy, underappreciated, and underpaid. Right before my diagnosis I had sent my resume out to every company I could think of - I had to turn down all offers for interviews because I had to start treatment and knew no one was going to take on this mess.......I had resigned to this fact until today when a job at a local hospital opened up, in my field, for way more money and medical benefits included. Long story short - I applied. Is this the stupidest move imaginable? Is anyone going to want to hire someone in the middle of treatment for breast cancer? Am I wasting everyone's time? Even if I get the job - what are the chances the benefits will pick up my cancer treatment? Any advice would be great.

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  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited November 2010

    Hi Heather, IMO good move to apply.  The app is the first step and if you didn't take the first step, you'd get no further.  Hopefully someone with HR experience will be along to comment, the only advice I have is don't quit your job until you have a new one!  Good luck!!

  • cbm
    cbm Member Posts: 475
    edited November 2010

    Not stupid, courageous.  And that is a huge plus for you in the process.  I usually don't give much advice; I tend to post only my own experience.  But I know a little bit about career development and how to get a job, so . . . 

    A couple of thoughts; keep in mind that I don't know you so if these are offensively obvious please forgive me.

    1.  If you get an interview, make a plan about what you will and won't tell them.  Don't tell them how much you don't like your job, but do tell them how much you want theirs.  So much that you decided to go for it and not wait until a more convenient time in your life.  Keep in mind that what you are going through is temporary, is inconvenient, and may change you, but you want that job.

    2.  Focus on what you can do for them.  Your determination is a huge plus.  Let them know that.

    3.  They have lots of workers right now who don't have a cancer diagnosis but any one of those could be diagnosed tomorrow.   It's not easy to overcome the perception that you may not be healthy enough to do the work right now, but you have on your side the very fact that you didn't postpose your interest.  You can point this out, if your condition is obvious.  

    4.  If your condition is not obvious, you don't need to bring anything about it into the interview or process.   Under the ADA, you are entitled to reasonable accommodation if you are disabled, and cancer can be regarded as a disability, but isn't necessarily regarded as a disability.  Time off for doctors and treatment is an FMLA matter, and you already know how that works.

    5.  If you know anyone at your prospective employer's company, call and make your pitch.  You could use some advocates, but be sure they know that you want the job, not that you just don't want the grief of your old one.  Stay on the center of the highest road you can access and do whatever you would normally do to get what you want!  

    6.  Wear the wig, not the scarf, if you have lost your hair to chemo.  I think it is just a more neutral signal.

    7.  Yes, there are folks who will not take the risk to hire you.  You have to overcome that bias, but you've already taken step one, just keep going and think about what you have to say that they want to hear.  

    I have an HR background and I would not pass up a good, experienced candidate.  But, I would also not be able to ask about health, prognosis, or treatment.  Of course, I wouldn't be able to ask that of anyone else, either.  If a candidate comes with advocates, strong references, and a great story and pitch, the decision is a lot easier, even if it's a fence call.

    If you are going to go for it, go all the way for it. don't second guess yourself, mount a plan and an army of help, and don't look back.  You can't ask about the benefit thing until you are offered the job.  It will undermine your platform.  But Madalyn is right, HIPPA took care of a lot of that pre-existing stuff.  You can be offered the job and decide to turn it down, by the way.  But your mission is to get the offer first and make the decision about it later.  One step at a time.

    Good Luck,

    Cathy 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2010

    Normally I would say to wait but your current job situation does not sound good and it will only get worse. Go for the job and see what happens. Once they offer you the job you not only need to know about salary compensation before you accept but all compensation. That includes insurance, vacation etc. They should send you this info with the job offer and job description before you accept.

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited November 2010

    I agree, do not disclose health information.

     I would also be sure of the details of the new health benefits. ask for a copy of the plan and the explanation of benefits, it will answer your questions about continuing coverage or limits, as well as deductibles and co-pays. How much longer will you be in active treatment?

     Are the breaks that you get on bad chemo days at your current job something you can live without? Do you feel well enough to perform at  your best in a new job; Is there a probation period?

    I worked in HR for a small company. A cancer diagnosis of a current employee tripled the insurance rates for the company. In a large hospital it may not make the same kind of difference.

    Legally they can not ask you about your health, but if you appear ill, or tell them, unless you walk on water in your field, my guess is that they will pass you up, purely from an actuarial standpoint. 

    Look your best, and go to the interview and see where it leads. If they offer you the position you can go from there. Good Luck!

  • heathermcd
    heathermcd Member Posts: 142
    edited November 2010

    Thanks everyone for the awesome advice. CBM - thats exactly what I needed to know and great information if I get called for an interview. I really appreciate it! I know that I wouldn't qualify for FMLA right off the bat, i'm thinking that I would have to disclose my medical condition and request preapproved medical leave without pay. I think its probably a long shot that the company would want to take this on from the get-go. My guess is that they would also probably have a probation period.

     Just curious, at what point would you tell them about the cancer and the need for a somwhat flexible schedule? Would you wait to be offered the position? I don't want to feel as though im hiding something that will effect my decision as to whether or not I want to position.

     I think the anxiety of all of this is probably not really worth it, and I should probably stick with my current job until I get through treatment...it just makes me feel like I have some control over my life to be able to make this change when I SO need to get out of this current employer. I'll keep everyone updated on what happens with the process. I only have 3 chemo treatments left, so i'm hoping they'll take their time on the hiring process!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited November 2010

    For job related questions like this I would post on
    Ask Lix Ryan: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/asklizryan/

    She's a real expert. I've been on her list for years. She is an HR specialist. She has been published in many major magazines and newspapers including the NYT and Wall Street Journal. This is her website: http://www.asklizryan.com/

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited November 2010

    Heathermcd, its great that you are checking all this out.  I sense that your concerns about the disclosure issue (i would feel the same as you do) are big.  It might be that after this reseach, you might feel more secure staying with your current job at this time of going thru treatment.  Sounds like you are ready to bolt out the door as soon as treatment is over.  Whatever you decide will be the best for you because it is your decision.  Keep us posted.

  • cbm
    cbm Member Posts: 475
    edited November 2010

    Hi, Heather.  what you are thinking of doing isn't for the faint of heart, that's for sure.  I think the question of disclosure is secondary to deciding to really go for the job.  Your best chance of getting the job, if you want it, is to control your own press, your own brand, your own resources, your own message.  To me, that would mean finding the best way to deliver the information.  

    Job candidates with insider support in the organizations they want to work for tend to do better than "over the transom" applicants.  Organizations listen to their employees and often offer them bonuses for successful referrals.  If you have such an insider on your side, you can ask him or her to tell the right person about your determination, strength, courage, and rightness for the company and the job.  If you don't have an insider, and your credentials and experience are exactly what the job requires, you can tell them whenever you want to, but your message should have a point.  The point is either that you are so strong that you are making the decision to do this proudly or determinedly, knowing that you will be a great asset, or that you will need lots of accommodation and special treatment.  The former sounds better.  And actually is better.

    In other words, no one can tell you that there is a right and a wrong way.  There isn't a convention around stuff like this.  The first thing is to get the interview; one step at a time.  If you get picked for the first, usually a screening, interview, you may choose not to mention it until you know you are a serious contender and that you really want the job.  But if you decide to tell them, don't do it out of a sense of duty to them, so you give them a reason to NOT hire you, do it so that they have a reason to hire you despite some inconvenience.  A job that's been open for months can usually stay open for a while longer for the right incumbent.

    I have no idea what the job is or how you fit into the job specs.  But I think the best candidates approach jobs "campaign style" with all focus on why the employer should hire them.  Enthusiasm and determination are often tie-breaking qualities.

    You do have to disclose if you can't work the schedule by the start date.  You can also ask for a delayed start date and offer the reason as "medical."

    Just because you sent the application does not mean that you have to follow through; follow your heart and your instincts.  There are good arguments all around for whatever you do.  

    I have a friend who took a call from a search firm in the middle of her chemo, went to the interview and several subsequent interviews with the company, and found the experience to be empowering.  She didn't get the job, but doesn't know if they ever knew she was in treatment.  She did tell the search firm, who did not pull her out of the race.

    Warmly,

    Cathy 

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