Coping with fading support
I'd been warned it would happen, but I'm still not handling it well. How do you cope when people start being less supportive? At first, everyone wanted to know what was going on. After every appointment, they'd would want to know what was said, what was going to happen next, how I was feeling, etc. Now, I'm still having appointments, still planning more treatment, still dealing with cancer issues, but it feels like everybody else has moved on. It's not like I expect to be the focus of everyone's lives, but it hurts that people who used to be so attentive now don't seem to care. I'm trying not to be upset by their lack of interest, but, well, I am. So now what?
~Lisa
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Hi Lisa, I welcomed less attention 'cuz to me it meant I was getting on with my life, cancer be d*mned! It doesn't mean people don't care, it's that they don't perceive a crisis, another good thing. Hope it's going better today! {{hugs}}
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I noticed the same thing. I guess people think we are cured and have moved on. They don't realize what we are still going through. That's why I come here for friendship and support. I hope you find lots of friends and support here too.
XOXO
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I don't know what help it is- but I can relate. For everyone else it is over, for me it is not. After all( as I have been told by some) DCIS was not "cancer" and my BMX was a choice. I do find a lot of support here and most days I have a keep your chin up attitutude, I have been very lucky so far.
I hope you are doing well.
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When I was going through the whole thing, I tried to keep a stiff upper lip, carry on as normally as possible etc. etc., and then I remember I felt really hurt when someone said, "Oh, you are so lucky that your treatments were so easy for you." WTF!!!!!! It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do!!! So people on the outside don't (can't) have a clue.....(just like I can't understand what people going through other medical situations feel like, I suppose.) I think coming here and/or finding a local support group (formal or informal) are the best places to get support for the long term, because we all get it. Hang in there! Ruth
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My support ended pretty much the day I finished treatment - A year ago this week.
What I can't get my dh to understand is that chemo has lingering effects for years. I got thrown into menopause, I gained 30 lbs, I am physically hurting so I can't exercise to get the weight off, I go into a depression at least once a week where I just stay in bed all day long. I struggle to perform normal housewife activities. I don't have the stamina or energy I had prior to chemo and I am not sure I will ever get it back.
This is why I come here - I come here for support and understanding by the wonderful women on this board that truly get it and knows how it feels. Sometimes I feel that BCO is more of a family to me than my own family here at home. I get more support here at BCO than I do from my own husband and that is sad to have to admit to.
I can hardly wait for the Las Vegas reunion in 8 days - just to get away with 55 other BC women and party for 4 days - I wouldn't miss it for the world - I know one of two things, I will either come home rejuvenated and feeling great emotionally or I won't want to come home because I had to much dang fun!
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Thanks everyone - I'm really not as desperate for attention as I may sound! Last week I had an important appointment - a consultation with a radiation oncologist. I'd been worried about whether or not I'd need radiation for a while, and two of my closest friends knew about both my concern and my appointment. Well, the appointment came and went and neither of them have asked me how it went. One of them is a coworker - she even saw me return from the appointment and still didn't ask. Now I'm feeling really hurt and having a hard time being around either of them. Part of me wants to just scream "By the way, I do need radiation - thanks for asking!!" and storm off. Really, though, I know they've got a right to move on - hell, I wish *I* could! I'm just trying to find a way to put aside my hurt and enjoy spending time with them again. Hoping time will help.
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llm822 - What you are going through is so very important to YOU and there is nothing more than we need at this time is the support of others.
I think what hurt me the most is that friends I had for over 10 years - they found out I had cancer and never once called me - even 2 years later I haven't heard from them. I finally called one of them and her response was "I have been wanting to call but didn't know what to say" - I get that - I really do but just call me anyways. I don't always want to talk about my cancer, I want to hear your troubles so that it puts my mind in another place other than on what I am going through but they think of it as another burden to me emotionally to discuss what they are going through as they don't believe their problems are as important as mine. I confided in one friend and told her I was concerned to even tell her because I had been ditched by so many other people who I thought were my friends. She promised she wouldn't do that - well she did. One email later and then nothing at all and no response to my emails to her. Cancer is not contagious!!!!
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The time after treatment is a difficult one. All of us know what you are talking about and that perceived thinking that once treatment is done you are back to your old self. Like mentioned above they don't realize what chemopause does to you and the fact that you will take a little pill of some kind for another 5 yrs..
I will have to say that while the support is not as concentratd as it once was, i live in a small town and my church family continues to be there. The one that has hurt me the most and YET should have been expected is that once the chemo was over my oncologist now breezes through the appointments and sometimes it seems as if he is half listening to what i am saying...$$$$ talks to even the best of people.
I am sorry that you are going through this tough time but know that all of us here know how you are feeling and send you gentle HUGS and support!
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All I can say is too try to fight the after effects that people do not realize we get. I have a few friends who understand but its hard. I hate to whine but thats what I fel like I do now. I have alot of conflicting emotions about alot of stuff, marrige, work, friends etc.But I think this is natural when we go through a life threating situation, ow can it not change the way we feel. whether we are 0 stage to stage 4 we are emotionally effected. My life will never be the same. Some can say they go on with their lifes and I give them Cudo's for that. But me personally will not Yes I have PTSD. But even if I did not I really feel it takes a truly amazing person whom can go on with their life without this cloud hanging over their heads.
Hugs,
B
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lim822- Like everyone else has said, I don't know if it helps but we can all empathize. Like jancie wrote I get more support on here than I do from friends and family. So when I'm feeling down, and more than a little abandoned, I come on here. I know it's not the same as everyone rallying around you but it does help. It's a strange phenomenon that so many go MIA during our treatment. Have yet to figure out why it happens. Just know that it does to many of us. Sorry it's happening to you, too. (((hugs)))
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Hi Lisa, sorry about the lack of support from your friends and family but the problem is, they don't get what this disease is all about. In just about any other illness, you are operated on and perhaps given some follow up treatment, given a little time to heal and you are okay again.......you and everyone that has ever been diagnosed with Breast Cancer know that's not what happens with this disease. For those closest to you, it's a matter of actually having to educate them as to what this beast is all about and the others? well that is up to you. Always, always remember....we do get it......so whenever you need support for anything you come here to us........we do know what you need and are very willing to give it.
Peace, strength, love n hugs. chrissyb
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Hi Lisa - exactly what everyone has said here. I have moved on a lot since my diagnosis but every now and then (more often than I like!!) I need to just talk about breast cancer and my next appointment blah blah blah. I grudgingly joined my local breast cancer support group (I'm usually not that kind of person) and found 2 lovely ladies my age who I now meet for coffee, talk on the phone to whenever we need to just talk SFBC, plus my younger sister has SFBC so we share that bond (lucky or not so lucky). We get it - you have to get breast cancer to "get" breast cancer.
Like Jancie said, a lot of my friends thought I would be inundated with close friends and family helping out, calling etc. ...but they all thought that and I didn't get as many calls, help as I thought I would. And this might sound naff but I found my whole perception of "friendship" has changed so much. I treasure different thing now than what I did before. Sure, maybe less friends but I'm happy with quality not quantity.
I also found the moooosssstttt amazing women here and I still wander through the active topics every now and then but a lot of them have moved onto Facebook and we continue our support and friendship - this is nearly 2 years down the track.
Big hugs honey, it is tough going physically and emotionally but you will never be alone here that's for sure.
Helena
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I've had some people basically stay away because they didn't want to interefere with my sister helping me. My sister comes over and lies on the couch...
People I have worked with have been incredible moral support, but don't live close enough to be of any practical support. Not that moral support isn't worth its weight in gold - I don't know what I would do without them.
Luckily, I have the absolute best, most supportive husband in the world. I just worry about him burning out with doing everything for me over two cancers (thyroid and IBC) as well as working full time. He's come to all my medical appointments with me, and makes the most upsetting, awkard circumstances funny. I am truly blessed with him.
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He sounds like a gem of a guy!! You picked good
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Hi Lisa! You have already heard anything and everything I was going to say or could say... I am there now. I have friends, and then I have Friends... now. My friends brought me dinner once... some of them I had considered Friends, but some of them didn't even bother to take off their purses as they 'dropped' the dinners off... really? Many of my friends have not even called me; yet a woman I met on facebook through a mutual friend was recently diagnosed with Stage IV called me tonight because she said I sounded a little down in my last message (I was complaining about still being sick from my last chemo)... my other friends have not called or texted in weeeeeks. I don't get it... my husband can't explain it nor understand it; but I think cancer scares people and they simply freeze and just don't know what to do. So, like others have said, my definition of Friend has changed a lot over the past 6 months, and I cherish those few true Friends that I have left. I'll still be friendly to the "ones" (and they don't know who they are!!) but will not go out of my way to seek anything more than a surface relationship.
And, I too come here for support and understanding! (((HUGS))) sister!! PM me if you want to be my fb friend too!
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Leanna- I like the friends vs Friends as I, too, had the "hang on to their purses" type stop by. I just found out this week (7 months after MX) that one of them is upset with me because I didn't call her very much the past 6 months! This is the same woman that stopped by once, purse firmly by her side, that conveniently had to go pick up her DD about 10 minutes after arriving. The only other time I heard from her was asking if I wanted to go get pedicures about 2 weeks after MX. (Umm....no.) I'm sorry. I don't get it either. Maybe they should require Friend licenses, the way they do driver's licenses, and make these people take classes!
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I totally get it. Even when I was still doing Herceptin every three weeks and I would mention "When I was at the hospital today...", my dad would say "What were you there for?" Um...hello? Then he'd say, "Oh, I keep forgetting you still have to do that." Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to be able to start putting this behind me and move on, but it would be nice for someone to acknowledge once in awhile that there's still lingering issues we have to deal with, however small they might be.
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Hi, Lisa:
I am so sorry you're having a hard time, and can relate. I have lymphedema as a result of my bmx and people constantly ask me, "How long do you have to wear that?" about my compression garments, etc. When I tell them, "Forever," I can tell it kind of puts them off. Everyone wants a happy ending with the happy couple riding off into the sunset, you know?A family member (battling stage IV lung cancer) and I have discussed this. People don't want to hear that the cancer is not going anywhere, that you're just fighting it off for another day, or that your arm is messed up forever, they want to hear, "I'm cured! Life is awesome!" And I understand that - heck, I love happy endings too!! But it's not reality for a lot of us.
Please hang in there - I'm sending prayers and good thoughts your way!
Suzanne -
I have Lymphedema, too. In every conversation with my mom, she asks if my arm is better. I keep telling her its permanent and it's not curable. She does not get it. Others do not get it either. If asked, I almost always use the word "permanent", which causes surprise every time. Makes me wonder if all these medical shows which find answers in less than 60 minutes mess with our expectations that if you hang on for 60 minutes, it will all be over with.
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I have just been diagnosed with lymphedema recently, Last weekend after working full time for 2 weeks ( filling in for my job share partner) we had my husbands 50th birthday party. I spent all day on the party and continued while the party was on doing food etc. My mother sat down with her leg up on a chair because she had puffy ankles and my best friend sat in the corner with a group of friends drinking. Neither came to see if I needed any help. I don't talk about BC or LE but have found that people are moving away from me. Maybe I have less patience or just become more cynical or just jealous. I just look at them and see their lives and it reminds me how much mine has changed.
Every now and then there is a comment that lifts you up...the other day I was having my very own pity party saying that I was burden to the family and my DS (17) puts his arms around me and says that I am in fact his hero for the courage and fight I have shown.
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What a great kid vivvy!!!
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Ah yes, Friends versus friends. A sore point for me because I have always differentiated between Friends and Aquaintences or Colleagues. Colleagues and Aquaintences are NOT Friends. Honestly some days I think everyone needs to review all the Sesame Street lessons on what constitutes a friend. . . .
I think the person[s] who said people want a happy ending are dead on. I had a colleague who insisted that after radiation was over, I was "cured." And it frustrated me so dar*ed much---I'm done with treatment, I still had to get through my 6 month check-up, I still have to deal with the emotional stuff. But in our society of Disney princesses and Happily ever after, we are not taught to deal with the "bad" stuff, it makes us uncomfortable and makes us think we don't have as much control over life and the universe as we'd like to believe.
Which we don't.
Many hugs. Hang in there.
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I noticed that as well. I have only the support of my husband and everyone else has changed the subject. I am glad for the new friends that I have made here. This is what keeps me sane. I understand what you are going through and you are not alone. I hope that you make new friends that can support you through the rest of this cancer thing. It is not over for a long time! I think that trying to get out and living is the best cure for the situation! Dont stay at home and isolate yourself from the world. Complete strangers are facinated to hear what we have been through and volunteer support. God sends everyone to us for a reason. God bless and PM me if I can be of any help to you.
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Ladies,
Thank you so much for this post. I totally relate to what all of you have said. I am truly grateful to God for LIFE, but many times the after-effects of all of it is overwhelming. My treatment lasted over two years: chemo, mastectomy with reconstruction, radiation (after disagreement among docs and consult with MD Anderson), damage to reconstruction causing necrosis and wound that wouldn't heal, four weeks with wound vac........more surgeries. I won't bore you with the whole story. Arimidex side effects (especially the fatigue/lack of ability to multi-task) really get to me at times. Now it is Christmas and demands like crazy. It just really got to me tonight, because my non-survivor friends absolutely don't 'get it'. What helps me most is helping others who are just beginning this journey, so I know that I need to ask God for His strength to get me out of this low point. Thank you all for sharing as you have, and letting me know that I'm not alone. Hugs to all of you!!!
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I know the betrayed feeling that can come from co-workers. At first everybody was really supportive and then it all changed.
After my BMX, I returned to work after being gone 8 weeks and was treated coldly at best. very few asked how I was and if they did it was like, "god, I'm glad that's not me" kinda of questioning. The real kicker came when the one woman who is a breast cancer survivor has refused to speak to me believing I was off far longer than required. I was still going through recon of TE's and felt awful about everything so it really took a toll on me.
Then the one month they really hit me was after they had a company quarterly meeting. They gave the award of the quarter to my fellow admin co-worker for pitching in and doing my job while I was gone. I understood it sort of but I was shocked at how they mentioned my illness and not being there doing my job and awarded her! It just recently hit me I was the one who lost both of my breasts due to cancer, I'll never be the same again, nobody is talking to me anymore-I am the outsider and yet they give her a money award and recognition and applause because she had to go get the mail, go the bank and order some lunches for a few months! God I wish I could take all this back and somedays I hate myself and them. It feels like I've been victimized by the cancer and the people I thought cared. NOw I had my exchange surgery a week ago and don't think I am going back! But I will see a therapist soon because this whole thing has messed me up!
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Just have to chime in here too ... I'm experiencing this right now. It's hard. My mom died shortly after I was diagnosed and was having to make decisions on treatment. After my DMX in February, my cousin opened her home to me and it was such a blessing. Shortly after my exchange in July I knew it was time to leave and I moved to a new place with little help from her or her family. I too have developed LE, still going to appts., still going through reconstruction and no one calls, no one asks, everybody seems to think I'm OK now. It hurts. I'm not sure what to do about it ... it is helpful knowing that I'm not alone. I'm sorry you all are dealing with it too. It's just hard.
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I am prone to depression
When I got my BMX everyone more of less just thought you are ok..When I developed problems with my reconstruction even my Dr said "you are Lucky we got rid of the cancer'.Sometimes I feel the cure was almost worse than having the cancer in the first place..I was advised by my O Surgeon to have this done. I had DCIS and LCIS in my right breast. so I had both breasts removed as a preventative measure.
I am still dealing with the after math or my reconstruction. No one seems to care and they don't want to hear about it..I still cannot deal with the problems. Don't know what to do...Yes, I too just would like to be able to move on but it is so discouraging..
thanks for letting me vent
Laura.
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Hi Laura
I had the same procedure on 11-5-10 DCIS left and LCIS right, You have my support. I am praying that you do not stay depressed.
Take Care
Andrea
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Thanks Andrea,
I am still have to convince my Dr that there is a problem. I guess these guys see so much other stuff. My problem may seem petty to him. Did you have reconstruction done?
I know there are people here that get wonderful results I unfortunately did not. I just don't knwo how to handle watching them slide down my chest an my arms are a mess as well..don't think I could explain as it seems no one else I have heard has had this problem.
God Bless You Andrea
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Re: Fading Support. I have had Stage IV for 2 yrs with a single mastectomy. I have been on radiation, and then weekly treatments of Herceptin for two years, The cancer has lodged itself in my spine and my lungs. For the past 1 1/2 yrs. they have stayed the same size and, because it is an aggressive cancer, it can run rampant at any moment.
Because I work full time and have to be upbeat at my job, and because I try to look my best, and because I have not lost weight and still have my hair, everyone thinks I'm doing very well. I'm just a good actress I guess - but my oncologist has me waiting for the other shoe to drop.
My partner thinks that it's all going to go away, and he wants me to worry more about his medical problems since I'm doing so well. He wants us to move to an small, inexpensive tropical island and doesn't want to hear that I would need cancer treatments for the rest of my life. My adult children are the only ones who ask and are concerned and that's all that really matters to me right now. I tell them the truth, but refuse to burden them. I need other people in my life to care and it's not going to happen until I tell them I am terminal (which I am).
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