The Fungal Theory

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  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    I studied biology in University and took microbiology.  I remember that fungi are very similar to animal cells and difficult to kill without damaging the host.  I'm skeptical of the fungi theory proposed by Dr. Simoncini.  We've discussed this ad nauseum on earlier posts on this subject, but it is clear to me that Simoncini willingly misquotes other research to bolster his ideas.

    I've never heard of baking soda as a strong anti fungal.  You'd think it would be a popular home remedy if it worked on say athletes foot. 

    As for changing the body's ph, I know that the human body is a buffered system, and ph remains contant until the system is overwhelmed (something that would probably kill you).  The reason it is buffered is because the human body requires homeostasis within a narrow range to operate efficiently.  In a buffered system, you add acid or base and nothing happens to the ph, as the buffer combines with the agent and holds the ph constant.

    If fungi caused cancer, you would think that you might see in increased incidence of cancer in tissue that is prone to fungal infections.  Athletes foot, vaginal yeast infections and other common targets of fungus don't seem to have corresponding occurances of cancer.  I've never heard of cancer between the toes, yet athletes foot is widespread.

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2010

    As for changing the body's ph, I know that the human body is a buffered system, and ph remains contant until the system is overwhelmed (something that would probably kill you).  The reason it is buffered is because the human body requires homeostasis within a narrow range to operate efficiently.  In a buffered system, you add acid or base and nothing happens to the ph, as the buffer combines with the agent and holds the ph constant.

    Timothy, this seems to be a popular point of misunderstanding about the pH theory. It's not a matter of the body's pH itself changing dramatically (which as you said doesn't happen), but how hard it must work to maintain that pH.

    As for baking soda as an anti-fungal, it's actually used in gardening as an anti-fungal, but I haven't explored the fungal theory in humans in any detail. I've never had athlete's foot or any other yeast/fungal infections that I know of, so as a one-woman case study, I guess I wouldn't support the fungus/cancer theory, although I'm sure it's possible to have internal fungal growth without outward symptoms.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Crunchy...I agree, the body must maintain a pH of around 7.3 and has to work (struggle in some cases) to do it. 

    According to Dr Young, the body has 7 different buffers and they are the first line of defense against an imbalanced pH. They react immediately to neutralize problems in the blood, lymph and tissue fluids.  Bicarbonate is one of those buffers.  It works in the blood, tissue fluids and kidneys. A healthy body maintains alkaline reserves in the tissues which are used to meet emergency demands. If our reserves are insufficient (due to lack of minerals in our diet and acidic lifestyles), the body has to "recruit" them from somewhere else such as bone (calcium) or muscles (magnesium) which can easily lead to deficiency symptoms. If there's overload too great for the blood to balance, excess acid is dumped into the tissues for storage.The lymphatic system must then attempt to neutralize whatever it can. If it's overloaded or not working properly (usually due to lack of exercise-our lymphatics dont have a pump like our hearts so we must move/exercise to keep it functioning) acid deposits will build up in the tissues. If tissue pH deviates too far to the acid side, cellular metabolism will stop. (ie. cells are poisoned and may die). There is also a decrease in oxygen (anaerobic environment).  Acidity and lack of oxygen are an ideal environment for fungi.   

    Timothy...Depending on what source you read, there are approx 75,000-100,000 species of identified fungi.  Scientists believe there could be one million or more unidentified.  Some may look the same superficially but accurately classifying them is difficult and sometimes requires the molecular tools such as DNA sequencing. Apparently this is rather expensive so it may be a long, long time before the majority are classified with any certainty.  Different fungi can cause different disease.

    Dr Young references certain known fungi, their mycotoxins and the symptoms they can cause.

    Fungus: Aspergillus niger, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Fusarium   Fungi metabolize: Carbohydrate  Mycotoxic by products: Acetic Aldehyde (Acetaldehyde), Alcohol, Lactic Acid, Citric Acid.  Symptoms: Irritation, inflammation, gout, arthritis, DNA damage, immune suppression, birth defects, elevated LDL in blood and liver.

    Fungi: Aspergillus niger, Saccharomyces, Fusarium  Fungi Metabolize: Protein  Mycotoxic byproducts: Inosine, Uric Acid, Oxalic Acid, Alloxan  Symptoms: Stones, breast cancer, diabetes I or II.

    Fungi: Crytococcus neoformans  Fungi Metabolize: Proteins, including genetic proteins. Mycotoxic byprducts: Uric Acid, Alloxan, Oxalic Acid  Symptoms: Sinusitis, pyelonephritis, prostatitis, hepatits, meningioencephalitis, lesions in the adrenal cortex, mouth, esaphagus, stomach intestines, bone, skin, female reproductive organs, and the eye (including optic atropht, scotoma and chorioretinitis) pneumonia, glaucoma, loss of sight, poor circulation and gout.

    Fungi: Aspergillus niger, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Fusarium  Fungi Metabolize: Hormones (progersterone)  Mycotoxic byproducts: Symptoms: Chromosome damage, birth defects, brain disease, breast cancer.

    Fungus: Aspergillus versicolor  Fungus Metabolizes: Cigarette and chewing tobacco, carbohydrate and fat such as corn, peanuts, many foods and feeds, cereals and cheeses.   Mycotoxic byproducts: Versicolorins A, B and C; Sterigmatocystin  Symptoms: Lower respiratory infection, acute bronchitis, pnuemonia, tuberculosis, obstructive pulmonary disorders, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, asthma, lung cancer, liver cancer.

    Fungi: Fusarium, Aspergillus flavus, Aspergillus paraciticus  Fungi Metabolize: Carbohydrates such as barley, corn, safflower, germ meal, sorghum, popcorn, cereal flours, wheat. Other sources include bananas and dairy products.  Mycotoxic by products: Trichothecene, (T-2 toxin and Fusarenon X), Fumosium,Thiacetazone; Aflatoxin  Symptoms- (Trichothecene, Fumosium): Cerebral disfunction, including palsy. (Thiacetazone or Fumosium): Atherosclerosis, heart attack, stroke, granulomas, degeneration in blood vessle wall, vascular inflammatory lesions, hypertension, hemorrages in retina and kidney, cirrhosis of liver, portal vein thrombosis, lipid peroxidation, wrinkles, skin problems and spots.      ( Afatoxin): Liver cancer, malignant tumors, infertility, death. Inhibition of DNA replication and RNA and protein synthesis. Interference with the mitochondrial respiratory chain.    

    I said all that to say this: Different fungi and their mycotoxins can cause different symptoms and disease. The baking soda treatment may indeed work in some cases because if infused to the area, it can lower the pH in those tissues creating an environment where fungi cannot survive so the tumor will dissolve, die, shrink, etc.  Dr Simoncini believes that all cancer is Candida but based on what I've read, I do differ with him on that. I believe cancer can be can be other fungi as well. His treatments allegedly work on tumors but not on cancers in the blood or bone. He is still trying to figure out how to get Sodium Bicarbonate to those areas. That's where Dr. Youngs theory comes in. You have to change the entire inner terrain to make it non conductive to these microbes.      

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    Has someone credible got some evidence of a particular type of cancer that is identifiable as nearly always being accompanied by fungi?  Those coincidences of color and anaerobic metabolism aren't conclusive enough.  The sugar metabolism is nothing unique to cancer or fungi.

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2010
    Fungi: Aspergillus niger, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Fusarium  Fungi Metabolize: Hormones (progersterone)  Mycotoxic byproducts: Symptoms: Chromosome damage, birth defects, brain disease, breast cancer.

    Interesting... I've had numerous miscarriages (chromosome damage)... I'm going to look into this one further.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    I have an interesting story. Of course there's no scientific evidence of anything.

    My step daughter had always wanted children and wanted them close together in age so the day she and her husband got married, they started trying to get pregnant. Nine months later, they had their first baby. When it was 6 months old, she became pregnant again and had their second daughter. We jokingly called her "Fertile Myrtle". Right after that, they bought and moved into their first home. She continued to try to get pregnant but it wasnt happening and she was having very heavy periods so her gynecologist did some testing and found a very large cyst on one of her ovaries. She had it removed and continued to try to get pregnant. She finally did but her doctor tested her hormone levels and told her she wasnt producing enough of a certain hormone (sorry, cant remember the name of the hormone) to sustain the pregnancy and she would probably miscarry. She did.

    For the next year or so her gynecologist had her on fertility meds but she could only take them for so long and that time was about to run out without a pregnancy. During this time, they discovered that the home they had moved into had mold. Now, most doctors will tell you that breathing mold spores can affect your respiratory system but little else. I disagree. I suggested she see the Natural-path that I see. She tested her blood for hormone levels and vitamin deficiencies. She ended up putting her on bio identical progesterone, a low carb diet and the vitamins that she was deficient in. Around about this same time they had their home repaired and the mold re-mediated. That was 3 months ago.  She has lost 15 lbs and she just found out she's pregnant!  Her GYN tested her hormones and said everything tests perfect!  Granted she's still in her first trimester but she's very excited that her hormones are in perfect balance to sustain this pregnancy.

    The repairs and remediation cost them $14,000!  They considered just living with the mold for awhile because of the expense but after what I've learned, I convinced her to do some research. She came to the conclusion that they really needed to take care of it for her sake and the sake of her daughters. (The oldest daughter had recurring UTIs). 

    Who's to say whether it was the GYN's fertility meds or the bio-identical progerterone, diet and vitamins or the mold remediation. It could be a combination but it's something to think about.  

    I think no matter how healthy your lifestyle, if you are living with mold, your body can not rid itself and you will be constantly poisoned by their toxins.      

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2010

    impositive, that is wonderful for your step-daughter (other than the mold remediation bill!! yikes) but terrifying too. I already have a mold-o-phobia... I keep two dehumidifiers running constantly in the basement, and in the last few weeks, I had a terrible realization that there were mold spores floating around in my kitchen. (I left out a few glasses overnight, which had had grape juice in them but were emptied of juice - the next morning, they all had mold in the bottom!!) I've since gone back to using a bleach-based cleaner in the kitchen (it's the only time I use non-eco-friendly cleaners in the house) and I think the problem is gone, but it still makes me nervous.

    The one thing we have going for us, it's only a four-year-old house... I have a friend who told me her 160-year-old house has rampant mold throughout. *shudder* That gives me the heebie-jeebies. And, of course this friend and her husband and children all have various unexplained health problems.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    Timothy...there are probably a million different types of molds with differ effects.

    ´Cancer patients undergoing radio or chemotherapy did not finally succumb to the cancer itself, but to an infestation of candida albicans´. That was taken from Contemporary Oncology Magazine 1993 in the USA.

    The major waste product of Candida is acetaldehyde, which produces ethanol. Ethanol can cause excessive fatigue, and reduces strength and stamina. In addition, it destroys enzymes needed for cell energy, and causes the release of free radicals that encourages the aging process.

    Ethanol makes it difficult to absorb iron. This reduces one of the most important oxygen supports in the blood (iron), and makes it difficult for your body to oxygenate fully. Furthermore, you know what may happen when your body can't oxygenate well. Therefore, it may be important to deal with Candida if one wants to successfully recover from cancer.

    In 1997 Mark Bielski stated that leukemia, whether acute or chronic, is intimately associated with the yeast, Candida albicans, which mutates into a fungal form when it overgrows.

    Milton White, MD., believed that cancer to be a chronic, infectious, fungus disease. He was able to find fungal spores in every sample of cancer tissue, he studied.

    http://www.oxygen-review.com/cancer.html

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Crunchy, you can purchase a mold tester at Lowes for about $10. It's basically a petri dish that you put a substance in and leave out overnight. Then you cap it and see if anything grows.  If you have a growth, you can send it in to a lab (info is contained in the kit) for identification. (I think that costs about $40) I have heard of brand new homes having mold. Things like wood framing getting rained on and the contractors enclosing before it's had time to dry. Even something as simple as a toilet overflowing can get down to the sub flooring and cause mold to grow. 

    I feel the same way you do when it comes to mold. Before my cancer diagnosis and subsequent research, I never gave the mold I came in contact with a second thought.  Now, I know it can be toxic. I have air purifiers in the central living area of my home as well as each bedroom, just in case! 

       

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    What is interesting is that cancer cells get their energy by fermenting (not oxygen). Candida is yeast fermenting.

    Decades ago, two researchers at the National Cancer Institute, Dean Burn and Mark Woods, (Dean translated some of Warburg's speeches.) conducted a series of experiments where they measured the fermentation rate of cancers that grew at different speeds. What they found supported Dr. Warburg's theory. The cancers with the highest growth rates had the highest fermentation rates. The slower a cancer grew, the less it used fermentation to produce energy.

    Cancer cells produce excess lactic acid as they ferment energy. This is toxic and helps to prevent the transport of oxygen into neighboring normal cells. And over time as these cells replicate, the cancer may spread if not destroyed by the immune system. When the immune system cannot kill cancerous cells faster then they develop, you get cancer

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    What is die-off (Herxheimer reaction)? Killing the Fungus in You :)http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/candida-and-gut-dysbiosis-articles/my-battle-with-candida/

    When you kill off a bunch of Candida at once, all of the toxins that are currently stored in them are released into your system all at once. As there are usually significant amount of toxins stored in Candida cells, these toxins when released will causes a temporary increase in yeast symptoms (often including new symptoms as new toxins are released), followed by a considerable lessening of symptoms. The technical name for this experience is a Herxheimer reaction ; it is more commonly referred to as "die-off" or "flare-up". This experience is similar to experience when Candida albicans is growing, such as when you have eaten a "forbidden" food. In both cases, Candida releases its toxins and it is often hard to differentiate whether you are killing it or feeding it. In order to tell the difference between die-off symptoms, reaction food and general yeast symptoms it is wise to keep a journal of what you eat and what anti-fungals you take, so when you get a change, you know which it's likely to be. As die-off is caused from anti-fungals it will usually last from few days to 2 weeks depending of what anti-fungal you use. As you kill almost all susceptible strains of Candida die-off effect will subside. Even if you don't get die-off it does not mean that Candida is eradicated from the body. It is possible that amount of Candida killed (toxins released) is to small to produce massive die-off. Then, you should either continue the same anti-fungal for few weeks to finish it off or even better, change to new anti-fungal. Also, the dosing of anti-fungals and their effectiveness can be established by observing die-off effect. The die-off effect of anti-fungal should not be intolerable, but you should feel die-off. If die-off effect is too strong, the dose of anti-fungals should be decreased. To minimize the effect of die-off :

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2010

    impositive, great idea about the mold test kit... I've bought lead test kits there before (to make sure the huge glass container I brew kombucha in is lead-free) and should have thought to check for a mold test kit. BTW, I'm always getting onto DH for not using the vent when he showers. I keep telling him that all that hot steam in an enclosed space is just begging for mold and mildew, and once you have that, it's super-hard to get rid of. Arghhh, he still forgets to do it!

  • LJ13-2
    LJ13-2 Member Posts: 235
    edited November 2010

    You folks realize, I'm sure, that mold spores are everywhere. You'd have to construct a "clean room" with Level 4 biocontainment technology.

    Mold test kits are pretty useless, in the opinion of most consumer protection agencies. Of course, they may be secretly financed by Big Pharma.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    LJ13-2...Hmmm...

    Yes, I realize that mold is ubiquitous.  However, there are molds (fungi) out there that are harmless and ones out there that can kill (ever heard of eating a poisonous mushroom?) So the point of a mold kit is to collect it and send it in for testing.

    Why dont you google the mold called Stachybotrys. This is an indoor mold, rarely found outdoors.  Here are some of the things you should find:

    Several strains of this mold produce a mycotoxin which is poisonous by inhalation. The toxins are present on fungal spores. Individuals with chronic exposure to these spores have reported cold and flu symptoms, diarrhea, sore throats, headache, fatigue, dermatitis, intermittent local hair loss, generalized malaise. The toxins will suppress the immune system affecting the lymphoid tissue and the bone marrow. Animals that have been injected with the toxin from this fungus, exhibited the following symptoms: Necrosis and hemorrhage within the brain, thymus, spleen, intestine, lung, heart, liver lymph node and  kidney. This mycotoxin is also reported to be a liver and kidney carcinogen. 

    These facts can be found on sites that are not related in any way to the "quackery we are peddling here" but of course they too, may be secretly financed by Big Pharma.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010
    Candida can actually eat you up from the inside," says Jure Piškur, professor at the Department of Cell and Organism Biology at the Lund University.

    Jure Piškur, together with a team of research colleagues, has studied the underlying reasons that this yeast can cause more and more infections in humans.  The research team has discovered that Candida glabrata can mutate surprisingly rapidly.  Instead of mutations occurring in individual genes, this yeast can mutate by reorganizing their chromosomes and make extra copies of large chromosome pieces.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090401204205.htm

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010
    CandiClear5

    The main ingredient in CandiClear5 is a special organic fossilized freshwater Plytoplanton that shreds up any parasites and candida that come in contact with it. It does a superb job of killing candida and is excellent for cancer. Plus, its porous structure absorbs toxins and waste debris to help reduce die-off symptoms from the candida kill-off. You get a large amount, 10 grams, of phytoplankton per 20 gram serving. The other main ingredient in CandiClear5 is Zeolite powder with 4.6 grams per serving. Zeolite attracts and absorbs mercury and other heavy metals, helps absorb other toxins, and increases pH levels - which inhibits the growth of candida. And of course it kills cancer cells.

    400 mg per serving Vitamin C which helps keep disease-fighting white blood cells up and running so that the body is better able to stave off candida infections.

    60 mg Vitamin B6 with P5P. Candida tends to obstruct Vitamin B6 absorption so increased B6 in the diet is important to help maintain mental and physical health

    It also includes a proprietary blend of 5400 mg per serving of 14 other ingredients with immune boosting, candida killing and anti-inflammatory properties including:

    Xylitol, a sweetener that does not feed candida, but actually has proven ability to kill it.

    Organic Burdock Root, Organic Cinnamon, Barley Grass concentrate 10:1, Broccoli Sprout concentrate, Parsley concentrate 4:1, Astragalus 5:1, the very important Russian Alagan 10% DHQ that is fights candida, Polycil humic and fulvic acid formula. All of these boost the immune system response against candida, or directly kill candida. Aulterra powder is added to increase the absorption of these ingredients in your body. Apple Cider Vinegar powder is a new addition that makes it even more effective. It's pH balancing action is valuable for cancer too.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Barry, your post regarding the Herxheimer reaction is interesting and I can relate. After I began to learn what it was I was supposed to eat, I had my first go at the anti fungal diet.  About a week to 2 weeks into it, I became violently ill. I had flu-like symptoms and couldn't keep anything down. I actually thought I had a virus. My husband thought he was going to catch whatever it was that I had because I spent two days (with my "barf bucket") on the couch in his "man cave". lol.  Turns out, no one else in the house came down with it.  After 2 days, I was dehydrated so I ate popsicles and drank sprite (ahhh, sugar) and blew off the diet until I felt better. It didnt occur to me until later that it was probably the die off reaction.  I guess maybe the violent reaction was due to the fact that I was killing them off quickly. I have been back on (and off-I have to be stronger!) the program but have never had the same reaction. I dont know if it's been eradicated but I'm not taking any chances. I am trying to make this a lifestyle so that I dont have to worry about it again.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Did ja know?...

    That toenails fungus can be found in a great number of cancer patients? I wonder which came first, the fungus or the cancer or maybe they are one and the same.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited August 2013

    My dog had blastomycosis and lung cancer.  The fungus infection kept the cancer at bay.  As soon as she was treated successfully for the blasto, the lung cancer took over and I had to put her down.  She lived 2 years longer than she should have. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    bluedahlia, Sooo sorry to hear about your dog. It's great that you had to years with her. 

    I'm curious, if you dont mind my asking,  did they diagnose her with cancer and blastomycosis at the same time?  How did they diagnose the lung cancer, was it by x-ray or aspiration? I am assuming they treated her with the antifungal(s), amphotericin B or Ketokonazole (or both).  When you say they treated her successfully for the blasto, what was it that indicated success? Was it because her physical symptoms disappeared?

    Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to figure all this out, how it all might be ralated?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited November 2010

    Other interesting facts that shows the relationship between fungus and cancer.

    This comes from Skin and Cancer Hospital and Fels Research Institute, Temple University Health Sciences Center, Philadelphia PA,  and Dept of Chemistry, McGill University, Montreal Canada

    I will summarize but if you want to read the entire article the web address is:

    cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/28/11/2276.full.pdf

    It's a research paper entitled "Carcinogens from Fungi Pathogens for Man"

    In the 1960 two epidemics occurred in two different species of animals in two different parts of the world. In England, thousands of turkeys died of acute hepatic necrosis and in the NW US, trout were found afflicted with hepatomas (a cancer that starts in the liver).  The turkey disease was quickly found to be linked with their diet. They had been fed peanut meal which upon investigation was found to be contaminated with fungi. The most frequently associated species was Aspergillus flavus. Many strains produced hepatoxins called Alfatoxin A and B which was injected into rats which then produced hepatomas. The agent causing trout hepatoma was also associated with diet. (the carcinogenic activity of the trout diet was correlated with alfatoxin content.) Thus a common denominator was found, ie, the alfatoxins of the A.flavus growing on food kept under moist conditions. Therefore the authors of this paper developed a program for testing a series of fungi pathogenic for man and of their metabolites.

    Within a year, sarcomas began to develop in mice injected with extracts of Candida parapsilosis (the most active crude material extracted from 13 species belonging to 5 genera of fungi initially selected for testing). Sarcomas at the site of injection and an increase in the frequency of leukemia and of pulmonary tumors were elicited in mice injected with other species of fungus as well.  This report represents the results of the first series of tests of fungal extracts of carcinogenic activity. Further studies are in progress.

    That paper was dated in 1968. I wonder how far we have come with this in the last 40 years.

    The molds that produce aflatoxin may be found in many grains and legumes-peanuts and peanut butter, tree nuts such as pecans, corn, wheat, oil seeds such as cottonseed.) Btw, these toxins are considered heat stable so cooking or freezing doesnt destroy them.

    The FDA allows these at low levels in our foods because they are considered "unavoidable contaminants" and they believe eating small amounts over a lifetime pose little risk. They allow: 20 parts per billion in human food, 100ppb in corn and other grains intended for feeding breeding beef cattle, breeding swine or mature poultry, 200ppb for corn and other grains intended for finishing swine of 100 lbs or more, 300ppb for corn or other grains intended for finishing (ie, feedlot) cattle and for cottonseed meal intended for beef cattle, swine or poultry.

    20 ppb might seem small but we are also eating this meat coming from these animals who are fed feed with up to 300ppb!  Maybe it's not the meat itself from the animals we eat that makes us sick but the mycotoxins that are contained in this meat.  I think this makes a good argument as to why we should stay away from these grains and legumes and only eat meat that has been grass fed and grass finished. 

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    I'm still skeptical.  I find an annoying similarity among theories of some alternative practitioners.  As soon as you start to question the theory, the theory gets more and more complicated to address the shortcomings.  I have no doubt fungi can cause great damage to the human body, and agree that toxic byproducts of some fungi have been linked to some rare cancers.  I do however find Dr. Simonci's theory that cancer is a fungus, to be lacking in evidence, not supported by the medical community and in fact contradicted by the evidence.  There are many causes of cancer, some known and some unknown. Radiation, mechanical damage to cells, mutagens and viruses to name a few.  To say they are all caused by fungi is a gross overstatement.  Warberg's work has been twisted and convoluted by many.   It's also commonly overstated by alternative practitioners.  Did you know that many fish and amphibians metabolize by fermentation in the absence of sufficient levels of oxygen?  It's a survival strategy that causes no harm to the organism and is unrelated to cancer.  When there isn't enough oxygen in the water to respire, fermentation takes over and the fish produces alcohol as a byproduct.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2010

    She was treated with Itraconazole.  The vet suspects that the lung cancer came first and because her immune system was compromized she became susceptible to the blasto.  She was tested thru aspiration from the lung.  She was on the medication for 4 months, at which time her blood and urine were checked and came back clear for the blasto.  After that she went downhill. Considered surgery to remove the affected lung, but she was 13 and in her weakened state, both vet and I agreed to let her be.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2010

    A question for those of you who believe cancer is a fungus:

    Is there any scientific, evidence-based research study that concludes such?

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    It's neither a theory nor a hypothesis.  Its more like the Fungal Conjecture.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2010

    Timothy, LOL - sounds like the title of a really bad made-for-TV movie!

    BTW, I didn't know that about fermenting fish - Interesting fact!

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2010

    Roger Haeske Interviews Dr. Jennifer Daniels Regarding...

    http://3cure.s3.amazonaws.com/CandidaPart1.mp3'

    http://3cure.s3.amazonaws.com/CandidaPart2.mp3

    Watch the interview of Dr. jennifer Daniels regarding Candida. It is fancinating! It's a little long. I learned a lot!

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2010

    Oh my.  Barry, I can't figure out if you're serious or not.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2013

    I would hope on this alternative site that people would at least respect differing opinions on alternative approaches to cancer. I'm not going to say...lol...in the face of a different opinon...basically a put down. I'm not going to get on a chemo thread and say chemo has no proof to cure cancer (example only). That would be hurtful and rude.

    When it comes to a cure for cancer, Science claims there is no cure...so... they are stabbing in the dark. They are experiementing on us. They have "No Proof"...if they did then we would know...right? For me they probably contributed to my breast cancer by prescribing Premarin.

    Yet...for alternative medicine and theories (people who aren't FDA or conventional med) is quackary. It's completely unfair to call the serious study of doctors, and professionals outside of the medical establishment unprofessional or not enough proof to come up with scientic conclusions.  I appreciate intelligent people who think outside the box...who aren't afraid to question medicine as is...I'm more apt to believe medicine that hasn't been bought out by the pharmaceutical companies.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited November 2010

    I agree it's good to think outside the box.  We badly need a cure, and the more minds working on it from different angles, the better.  I'm just not buying Simonci's rash conclusions. 

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