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CoolBreeze
CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668

I'm approaching the end of active treatment, a mere 14 months after diagnosis.  I should finish herceptin at the end of this month and have my freakishly delayed exchange surgery on the 18th.  My hair has grown back enough so I don't look like it's growing back from cancer  I'm still very fatigued but getting better, and not happy abou the tamoxifen SEs but trying to live with them.

During my treatment, I never felt neglected.  My husband and sons helped a lot.  Friends I didn't know I had supported me.  My sister came from SoCal to visit me during chemo.   My workmates were very supportive.

My brother never called me once but I always knew his limitations.  My mother never also called me but she never has in 30 years.  My dad would call me occasionally and email me too.  My 77 mother was dx'd with breast cancer a year before me and I went to take care of her for a week.  She had a very small cancer and a mastectomy took care of it.  We've never had a close relationship - she is a severe alcoholic and always has been, and she was physically and emotionally abusive when I was young.  However, I did my daughterly duty, more for my father than anything. 

My dad always complains that he doesn't see us enough.  My mother doesn't like her family but he does.  He lives in the mountans and it's not easy to get there in the winter.  i go up yearly in the summer, but my mother doesn't want us to come - it interferes with her drinking.

Anyway, my dad turns 80 this Christmas, and it's hard to get there for the family.  So, we arranged a joint birthday party for my son, who just turned 24, and my dad - a family reunion.  This was to happen on my son's birthday.  We were all going and my dad decided to invite some of his  friends, and we arranged a photographer to take a family photo.  I also arranged a virutal party for the people who couldn't make it - I was going to put videos in YouTube for him.  

I arranged for a dog sitter, my youngest son's friend changed his birthday party so my son could go, I took a day off work, and I mentallly prepared my tamoxifen aching body for the drive.

Well, my mother decided she didn't want to see anybody.  She did her passive/aggressive game and just pretended she couldn't walk for a few days and made my dad carry her around.  (This is her MO)  She woulnd't go to the doctor naturally  - since there was nothing wrong with her but an impending family visit -  but my dad called off the party.  Of course, she recovered right away.

Here's the thing I'm upset about.  My dad decided my sister and husband, her son and his wife could still go visit -  though it was my son's birthday party.  He rejected my family and my son.  And, my sister, needing his approval, went along  although I suggested that we all go or nobody goes and told her I was hurt by it.  Because she flies, she could even have gone on his real birthday. 

My son was also upset that his birthday plans were cancelled and that his grandparents rejected him on that day.

I think if I hadn't had cancer, I would have been relieved.  I don't like to see them. My mother weighs 70 pounds and does nothing but drink all day.  My dad is also an alcoholic but he's cut back because he has to take care of her - she's in end stages.

However, I do have cancer. I feel like if they should have wanted to see anybody, it should have been me.  What kind of parents don't want to see their daughter after she has been through a mastectomy, chemo, a year of herceptin?   It's been a couple of years since I've seen them and with this cancellation, I won't be able to go until next summer.  

But, I'm done with them so I'll never be going back, at least until there is a funeral.  I'm also done with my sister, who has enabled this kind of behavior and wouldn't listen to my feelings about it,

I'm not sure why cancer brought this anger up in me.  I half feel like these people have been poison in my life for 52 years and I need to prioritize and get rid of all cancers, including cancerous people.  However, it's more complicated too.  I even wonder if I got cancer because of the way I was raised.  My mother was abusive and when I'd get upset, she'd calm me down with alcohol - as a young child - like six.  They bought me my first drink in a bar when I was ten.  She smoked (still does) even though my brother had severe asthma - she is inherently selfish.  I grew up with booze and cigarettes as normality and they made fun of anybody who didn't drink.  Now, my dad was a company president so it wasn't like we were poor - so they thought that because they did okay they were okay.    I think when I ended up as a bartender with a drinking problem is when they were the proudest of me.  Now that I am not much of a drinker, (stopped partying when I had my own son 24 years ago) it disturbs them.

Now that I'm beginning to recover, I have time to think about things like this.  Has cancer affected or firmed up any of your relationships in a negative way?   Have you had a similar experience? 

I guess i always knew they were terribly selfish and self-centered people, but the fact that I have cancer and they still don't care still about anybody but themselves really brought it home for me.  Now that I feel well enough to be angry, I'm angry.  

 

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  • heatherbless
    heatherbless Member Posts: 295
    edited November 2010

    I feel bad for you--but you are strong and can get through this.  I would stand my ground and not let people or family disrespect me.  My parents died from cancer and so did my identical twin sister just a few months ago.  Life is too short to not be happy.  I hope that you find your peace and happiness about this situation.  Best, heather

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited August 2013

    I'm so sorry about your parents, and especially you sister.  It must be very hard on you.

    Yes, I can get through this, but children of alcoholics always doubt themselves.  We are told up is down for many years, and it's extremely hard to dump elderly parents.  My parents never provided emotional support, but my dad did provide financial support when I was young.  Of course, they didn't give me any life skills so I needed it until I wised up. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2013

    Oh, Coolbreeze, your post rang so many bells with me. The inherent dysfunction in families can be something that NOTHING -not even a hurricane or a cancer dx.- will change and I have been impressed in both good and bad ways regarding my family. You mother is obviously ill in more ways than one and, to me, that explains in a nutshell why she did what she did. The fact that it is unforgivable didn't make it less likely to happen, unfortunately. You got in the way of her bottle and that's all there is to it.

    I have had family blame me for my illness(es); I have been hospitalized without a visit or call. It is all excruciatingly painful and during a time I went for nine months without dreaming at night, such was the trauma of being where I was with no visitors.

    To say nothing of those lingering voices that you have learned to push to the back of your head that suggest (they used to affirm it) that you may be unworthy of love and that's why it all happens...

    My situation is not a quarter as bad as yours, even though it has caused me trauma, because my parents always, always put me first. But I understand the frustration. It seems as though families are plagued with inertia. A member can die, have her house robbed, get raped, etc.... but if that interferes with an existing dynamic (and the more pathological, the more inflexible it is) then tough luck! 

    Your father and sister may see you as strong and capable and not realize how badly your feelings are hurt - not that this excuses their apparently enabling behavior. 

    Sorry, I'm just rambling, and perhaps I have not said anything that rings a bell with you. Whatever the case, I find it horrifying that you have been so shabbily treated even despite the cancer and I am sorry to hear it.

    Oh, yes, that's something else about cancer, isn't it? Amidst all the hustle bustle created in our lives by the diagnosis and treatment, we realize that we may feel different and even look different, but some things never change, and not even the Big C can move certain mountains. Family dynamics can survive nuclear holocausts.

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited November 2010

    coolbreeze and athena, I'm an adult child of two severely alcoholic dysfunctionalooza parents as well.

    You become the adult, young, don't you?  My dad I managed to repair wounds with before he passed away last year, my mom has cut way back on her drinking. 

    Cancer brings out the beast in everyone.  In us, it brings out the cut the crap, fighting spirits that we need to be.  In our families, I've had good surprises and horrible ones.  Some people were just awful, non supportive, etc.  Some were great.

    I've learned to let it go. I love the people that handled it well, but my sister, who I was raised as a twin with, can not cope in any way, and in fact, has distanced herself from me.  I'm in no danger of dying from my cancer at this point, but she has pretty much been out of my life, her choice.  My other sister, one I thought I could rely on for everything, when I voiced how tough this is and how hard it was, said to me "drama, much?"  Told her to F off and we really haven't spoken since. 

    So people react so incredibly weirdly.....cool breeze, my heart hurts for you.  We love you.  You deserve everything wonderful and you set up a lovely thing for your dad and your son.  I'm sorry that the booze distorts the viewpoint they have so much. ....

    Athena, no one sent me anything, not even a phone call, and I was in the hospital for 5 days.  I am the second oldest of six.  My husband and daughter did bring me flowers.  It was like my having had this surgery paralyzed people and they did not act, react, acknowledge it or anything.  I think, but am not sure, that my older sister told everyone to pretend it wasnt happening and that I did not want them to do anything.  Why?  Because she said that is the way she would have wanted it handled.  ???  Your post resonated with me, big time.  I am going to send my friends cards and flowers if they have this happen to them, I do not care what anyone says.  Doing nothing is always wrong.

    People do what they do, you can only be thankful for the good ones in your life.  I am thankful you both are in mine, tho we are only "e" buddies.

    xoxo

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November 2010

    Yes, athena, thank you.  You did hit the nail on the head.  You think something as big as cancer will change things - will make the selfish people in your life think of you just a little - and they don't.  Of course, they can't.  That realization has come to me as I have recovered and it's hurtful and angering.

    I never considered alcoholism an illness though, and I certainly don't now, having faced and dealt with a real one.  She has a choice - put that bottle to her lips or not. She has always had that choice.  There has never been a proven genetic component to alcoholism but even if there were - there is a genetic component to breast cancer and women who have the BRCA gene make a very difficult choice to remove body  parts to prevent it.  An alcoholic is capable of making the same choice and putting their glass down - they just don't want to.

    No, the family dynamic doesn't change.  The question is - has my response to it changed?  I fought back when I was young and moved out one week after I turned 18.  (Tried when I was 16 but nobody would rent to me)  I've kept my distance since but have done my duty as the eldest daugher.  I've recovered from the way i was raised as much as a person can.  Until something like this brings it back.   Yes, that "unworthy of love" bell  has been rung.  They chose my sister over me even though I have cancer and it was my son's party too.   She was never abused but she watched me being abused.  She was the appeaser, and still is.  I'm the fighter.  Still am.  Maybe that's why this cancer experience hasn't been that hard on me.  I'm used to it.

    But, this dynamic is poison.  Will cutting them out of my life also be poison?  They bring nothing but I don't want to live with guilt.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2013

    Coolbreeze,

    Cancer does have a few good points. One of them, I find, is that guilt just ain't what it used to be! It isn't so burdensome.

    You are forced to face mortality, you finally (speaking for myself)  understand, from the bottom of your soul, who you are as a person and many uncertainties and doubts disappear. This is perhaps irresponsible, but I'm going to take a guess and say that if you do cut them off you will NOT feel guilty because you will realize, in your heart, that there is nothing to feel guilty about.

    anniealso: I have had to recover on my own, with my wonderful doctor and little help from anyone. If I should have to be hospitalized for psychiatric reasons  again, he does not have the authorization to alert my family. That way, I won't be disappointed at the absence of visits or calls. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2010

    Coolbreeze, you have changed, they haven't. Your story rang so many bells for me! The difference is, my Mom died at 67 (suicide by alcohol) and my Dad died at 71 (lung cancer from smoking) so they both got their own in the end. I know they wouldn't have handled my cancer well. It would have been my Mom's crisis, not mine. My Dad would be horrified that I didn't replace my breasts and ashamed that I am flat. I wonder if that's part of the reason I didn't do recon....huh.

    My parents both favoured my sister over me. I was the underdog my entire life. I got 98% in grade 12 math and my Dad asked "what happened to the other 2%?" When my niece's near genius IQ was revealed and I mentioned it was almost as high as mine, he said "OMG, don't tell your sister!" (thinking I'm a loser and so would her daughter be......sigh)

    Anyway the point is, they were just children. I resent the fact that I have the emotional stability of about a 16 year old. I don't know if I'll ever grow up! I was in the ICU once for an over-dose of meds and my brother (lawyer in Vancouver) leaned over my bed when I came out of my coma and said "Thanks, now I'll have to pay full fare on the airline!" (You get 50% off with a death certificate.) Years later my sister raged on about how horrible it was for her during that time! 

    When I got the cancer diagnosis, I got a flower delivery from each of them (2 bros, 1 sis) and that was IT. That was it. No calls, no emails, nothing.

    They are all meeting in Vegas for my younger brother's 50th birthday at the beginning of December. Am I going? Nope. I've learned to escape painful situations and it would financially strap us. So you aren't the only one. Consider it a blessing, like you said, that you didn't have to see your mom again like that. She doesn't care. Hold the memories you have (if any) of better times. Tell your son that alcoholism is a disease, please.

    Have you considered AA for the children of alcoholics? You have the right to be angry and it may stun you to see what a "normal" alcoholic your mom is.

    God bless, sweetie....

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2010

    Cool, wow.  My sisters were very toxic for many years.  It was getting a second cancer that finally gave me the strength to walk away.  The only good thing about getting cancer is that it allows you to cut these people out of your life. 

    My parents were both gone when I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer in 2002.  My one sister had turned my Mother against me in the last several years of her life.  I know that my Dad never would have let that happen to me.

    It seems that there are a lot of dysfunctional families.  I realized that if my sisters couldn't treat me decently when I had cancer, they never would.  It really did help to clarify everything for me and make me feel good about having nothing more to do with them.

    You've been through so much.  You don't need these toxic people in your life.  You need to take care of yourself now.  Best of luck to you.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2010

    Hi Ann,

    I feel your pain. I'm going through a similar situation, and I really, really feel your pain.  It just sucks when the people you would think you could count on the most let you down.  I'm so sorry you're dealing with this too, and it seems more common than I would have ever thought.  

    I'm so sorry. 

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited August 2013

    Yeah, sadly, it is all too common, isn't it?  I never did expect much, in all reality.  But, I thought they MIGHT want to at least see me after two years and a cancer diagnosis.  Hell, my hair was long and red and now it's short and silver. :) 

    I knew it would be the same as always - a three hour drive there and then an hour visit, then mom gets tired (needs to pass out).  But I thought they'd at least want to see me for that hour.  But, they didn't, they wanted to see my healthy sister who can travel any time and whose husband travels for a living so they pay with points and can change travel plans any time without penalty.  

    It's hard to accept that they don't care at all. I thought my dad did.  I was wrong.

    They'll care if they need me again, I bet.

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