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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I am sick of high fiber cereal. I've taken to microwaving it so it's mushier.

    Today I was at the grocery store and I bought some Lucky Charms. I like the little marshmellows. I'm going to mix them together.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    Funny thing.

    I was at a conference two days last week. All they served was fatty food. It was interesting for the first meal or two. Then, I started wishing for high-fiber, low-fat food. I got home and I didn't want to see food.

    I'm like you Rose, and sometimes I just want to ditch my high fiber cereal. That's usually when I chase my post raisan bran with a bowl of Cocoa Krispies or whatever cereal the kids have chosen that week.

    However, I guess it has become a permanent lifestyle change. Who'd have thunk it.

    --Theresa
  • Judy40
    Judy40 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2005
    S'funny you should have experienced that. Yesterday at church we had a dinner and while delicious, it was just a tad too fatty for me. I'm not on low fat, high fiber, but have cut down EVERYWHERE and I guess my tolerance for fat and salt has been cut down too.

    Judy
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005
    I hate my cereal some days. I keep looking around but I go to it or oatmeal.

    Tex Mex YUMMMM I had some yesterday! My mom twisted my arm I relented and went. The bad thing is Bad Tex Mex is better than low fat any day of the week. Beans are hard to ruin, and queso! Okay I know I am off track.

    My surgery is Thursday and I am struggling with stress eating like crazy!

    I ate 4 Wasa today, the chips were so much better yesterday!
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    The marshmellows turned the milk green, but they were good.

    I got some granola thinking I"d throw that in with my mush, but it is really loaded with fat and sugar. I'm better off with Lucky Charms.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005

    My kids were eating cookie crisp today, they found it hidden in tupperware! I thought you Rose munching away your marshmallows!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    Don't forget about Halloween.

    Do you think I'll walk out in the morning and find my house egged if I give out raisins and pretzels?
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    My mom used to give out popcorn. Kids made special trips to our house to get the popcorn. We've thought about doing that as well, but these days, everyone worries about people putting stuff in homemade treats that, even in our small town, it probably wouldn't get eaten.

    So, you might not get egged, but do you really want to take that chance?

    --Theresa
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005

    Rose are you kidding? I would egg your house if the kids didn't. Heck if our nutritional nazis at school let the kids have chocolate you can pass out something good!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I hear you!

    I like those little Twix bars. Since I'll get to do the leftovers I'm picking choclate. Since I still have a boy in braces it can't be anything sticky.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I got some 'Weight Control' instant oatmeal today. It's got 6 g fiber and 7g protein. HOWEVER it was $4.35 a box.
    Kasha has a 'Healthy Heart' instant oatmeal with slightly less fiber and protein that was a $1 box less.

    I'll let you know what I think.

    And I did get the Twix bars.
  • Eat
    Eat Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2005

    There is a lot of controvery regarding a low-fat diet and breast cancer. Our cells are made up of 50% saturated fat, and most of the studies done about the "bad" fats lumped the saturated fats in with the harmful transfatty acid studies. While its true that the body can make saturated fat from carbohydrates (if everything is working o.k.), fats have been a part of our diets for centuries. A good book to read about this is: "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" by Dr. Mary Enig (world renowned fat expert) and Sally Fallon. There is also a lot of information supporting limitations on mono-saturated fats as they have been shown to increase weight, whereas the highly saturated coconut oil and butter has been shown to decrease weight and improve immune function. On this website it was mentioned that sugar does not affect cancer. However, most other websites and studies on this topic clearly show that too much of any type of sugar most certainly does affect cancer cells, as it can increase insulin levels, which has been shown to affect weight and feed the growth of some cancers. There is recent information that suggests that it is too many sugars and starches (even too many from unprocessed foods) that are the culprits for increasing insulin levels. These are the foods that may need to be limited. Fats do not raise insulin levels and there is no factual information to support limiting them as a part of a healthful diet. Grandma ate butter and didn't have breast cancer.

  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    I have disagree with the statement that Grandma ate butter and didn't have breast cancer. Indeed, my Grandmother did die of breast cancer and she ate butter. She actually ate a Mediterrean diet. I know of other Grandmother's who have died of breast cancer.

    Additionally, there are studies out there that show that a low-fat diet aids in reducing the risk of recurrence/metastates. The diet has more effect on those with ER-/PR- tumors, but does show about a 10% reduction.

    You are probably right that they have not distinguished between the different types of fat and we are trying to alter the source of our fats. I'm not on this diet, however, to lose weight (although that is one side effect), but rather to improve my health. My oncologist office asked me to change my diet and I trust them. I have asked numerous questions about this. I'm comfortable with my decision.

    We've discussed the sugar aspect in other threads, generally in the Moving Beyond Breast Cancer. There are others of us who swear that dairy products are bad for us.

    --Theresa
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005
    Yeah my aunt ate butter right up to her stints were put in. I think you are one-sided. All my doctors cancer, plastic surgeon, general practictioner, and GI have suggested a low fat diet. I think they know what kills people.

    I have looked at that oatmeal, I love Cinnamon Roll oatmeal. I know it is not exactly healthy(ok I know a wee bit healthy) but I can eat it and it is 3 pts.

    Friday because of my surgery someone brought me donuts, that was the first time in so long I had one!

    I do life cereal a lot too, it has enough fiber to help my day.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I think it's more inactivity than the butter.

    My Great-Grandfathers lived into their 90s. They lived and worked on farms and ate it all -butter, bacon, fried foods, pies- but they weren't overweight because they were doing manual labor and burned it off.

    My Grandfathers, who had sedentary jobs in town, both died before reaching 65. They were more affluent and less active.

    My Dad, who wanted to make it past 65, was a runner for 35 years and made an effort to watch his weight (not always successfully) and is pushing 75.

    I think if you aren't active and keeping your weight where it should be that the fat gets you. So low-fat is important.

    I'm going to try that oatmeal tomorrow. I'm taking iron for my anemia problem so I have to keep close to the 30g of fiber or the iron will mess me up.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited November 2005
    Eat

    Since you brought up coconut oil, I went to look it up.

    Shock! It's good for us. Lowers cholesterol, good for weight control?!? That one I wonder about and it doesn't turn into a trans fat when our body processes it. Very interesting.

    I wish I could say the same for butter. I miss it.
  • mailu
    mailu Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2005
    Hi All,

    I've put on about 30 pounds in the last year. If you don't mind, I'd like to give and get a little support. I'm going to try the lentil recipe. I've always loved them. I was dx in 2001 at 132 lbs now I'm over 160. It's been tough, as I have no partner/carried all the cancer load myself. I think that I eat to stuff the fear of the recurrence. Also, I was a vegetarian for 22 years, did yoga, lots of aerobics. I kind of lost faith in a health2y lifestyle when I had stage IIIB at 44. Anyway, I've decided that I might feel better if I watched what I ate more. Care if I share?
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2005
    Mailu,

    Please join in.

    I had forgotten, but I wanted to make a green pea recipe. (Well I made one which tasted great!, but smelled bad , so I couldn't eat it. Couldn't make myself. ) Today seems gloomy enough that I could finally make soup.

    My kids won't like it, but I'll make something else for them.

    --Theresa
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited November 2005
    Oh please Join in! We are happy to have more eating "cardboard".

    I have a turkey chili recipe that is delicious Theresa. I will post it tomorrow. My family is having a birthday dinner today so I know I will cheat. I would like to say I will stay OP but honestly it is my birthday dinner!
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited November 2005
    Mailu - good luck on your new journey.
    One positive thing about no partner is you shouldn't have to take grief about what you cook.

    I think your thoughts about stuffing yourself to make the fear go away are very true. Trying writing down how you feel, or pick something else to do when you feel fearful/uncertain. Eatting just gets to be such a habit. If you can lose a few pounds to get started then you'll feel successful and it will get easier. So hang in for the first few pounds!

    Nobody at my house likes lentils but me.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2005
    Cowgirl,

    Have a great birthday! One day off your plan shouldn't hurt anything!

    --Theresa

    Looking forward to the chili recipe!
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2005
    Well, I blew the high-fiber, low-fat thing yesterday.

    I purposely went to Arby's, ordered a french dip with swiss cheese and an order of potato cakes. I think it was kinda of an act of defiance.

    While we were sitting at the onc's office, after we got the news of the progression to the liver, I saw my nutritionist. I said to my husband, "Well, that really worked, didn't it?" He pointed out that we didn't know how much worse it might be if I hadn't changed my diet.

    Anyway, I need to get back onto this program. I'm just not sure how to do it? Ideas?

    --Theresa
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2005
    theresa,

    did your nutritionist say anything about milk thistle, i know it is good for your liver...

    i got a beautiful loaf of whole wheat bread from an artisan bakery and some low fat cheese (i miss it so much!) and some great organic tomato soup and had grilled cheese sandwiches and soup...
    mmm good!

    comfort food works wonders for the soul...
    also some roasted potatoes tossed in olive oil with rosemary.....hearty and yummy....

    lightening up just a little bit on the low fat can make a huge difference to your spirits, i think...

    i give myself one day a week to indulge and figure it passes through pretty quickly and can't be that bad when i eat really good six days a week...

    i am take advantage of some of the great foods of the season...

    squashes...sauteed with garlic and olive oil and sprinkled with a bit of dry parmesan...
    yams...baked in the skin with a little maple syrup....

    we have to come to terms with the low fat diet or it becomes a quality of life issue...<g>

    the low fat and high fiber approach makes me feel good, but as soon as i feel deprived i am going to indulge a wee bit...

    keep up your spirits, theresa, as much as you can...
    i applaud you in your efforts and am really looking forward to the day the docs can't find any spots on your liver or in your bones...

    that day will come!

    laura
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited November 2005
    Theresa - After the news you got yesterday, a foray to Arby's was totally in order. I wouldn't buy an Ben&Jerry's, if you pig out and gain weight in your unhappiness you'll only be more unhappy later.

    Edge your way back into it. Let the goodies get eatten up and don't replace them. As Laura points out, Thanksgiving is an excellent time to bring out the vegetables. Do you have a menu for this year? Try the vegies and go easy on the fat. My one rule is never to let mincemeat pie in the door. Pumpkin is good, mincemeat is deadly.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited November 2005
    Uh Teresa I ate stone cold creamery ice cream, I have no idea how to get back to FF. We are in the State Playoffs and I felt sorry for my one kid too sick to go, so I didnt want him to eat alone. Okay I pigged out on a small portion(we both got sick it was too much fat).

    My normal way is to start off with soup! Dang it I need to get that Turkey Chili to you! It is loaded with flavor and veggies, that normally gets me going!

    Then add fruit and salad after that I am on track!
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited November 2005
    I'm thinking that maybe I need to give myself a week or so where I just don't worry about it. Set a date and get back on the wagon.

    Of course, Xeloda is chemo, so we'll see if I even have an appetite.

    --Theresa
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2005
    sounds like a good plan. i too have been bending the low fat diet rules just a tad but plan to get back 100% after the holiday.
    i am thinking lots of water and a nice walk each day are good things.
    i haven't omitted the veggies but i have added a bit more fat..
    i am so hoping that xeloda sends those beast cells far far away from you!

    laura
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited November 2005
    Yummy Wendy's Style Chili(not really but let's pretend)
    2 lbs lean ground turkey
    1 29 (or 2 15 oz) oz can tomato sauce
    1 29 can kidney beans w/liquid
    1 29 can pinto beans w/liquid
    1 med onion diced
    1/2 C diced green chilis (or 2 cans)
    1/4 C celery diced
    3 med tomatoes ( or 1 can of petite cut tomatoes)
    2 tsp cumin
    1-3 TBSP chili powder
    1/2 tsp pepper
    2 tsp salt
    2 c. water

    You brown the turkey in a soup pot and add rest. I like to simmer it for about 5 hours or you can use a crock pot, my GF just cooks it about 2-3 hours.

    for WW ers it is 3 pts per cup. It makes five quarts but freezes fantastically. This is my favorite recipe that is veggie loaded and low fat!
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited November 2005

    Oh great on baked pototoes too!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited November 2005
    Wonder if that will work with leftover cut-up turkey?
    I can only do so much turkey and stuffing before I'm ready for something tasty. I'm seeing cornbread with this.

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