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  • chiefswife
    chiefswife Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2010

    Hi BetsyP nice to meet you, all I know is what I've been told that women with a bigger chest tend to have more severe reactions to being radiated. I don't know why. I am a 44DD and not looking forward to the next 2 to 3 weeks. But I was told by the technicians today that if it gets real bad they can stop the full rads treatment and move on to the final 5 boosts and that way it gives my skin a rest somewhat and a chance to heal, then they go back and finish the remaining regular radiation treatment, or they said they could give me a 2 day break but then get back on schedule till completed. I think they need to find a new way to treat us.

    Lynda I am not noticing any changes yet.   

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    Hi girls, today was #10 out of 30, so one-third of the way done.  That sounds better than 20 more, at least.  Welcome to all who have recently joined us and sorry we all have to be here! 

    I posted about this earlier, but not many had actually started their TX yet so I'm asking again.  Has anyone else had a hard sort of crusty appearance to the sentinal node injection sites around the nipple?   It reminds me of a scab, and began after the 3rd time.  This week when I see the rad onc I'll ask him about it to be sure, but the techs say not to worry and that's all they say. 

    My rad onc also never said anything about big breasted women having more problems with radiation.  I'm a 40C and like you Rose I think my breast is denser and firmer.  Also getting pinker and pinker, and nipple looks like it has a tan.  That's sure one place where the son has never shone before!

    Kathy

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    oops!  The SUN, that is!

  • chiefswife
    chiefswife Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2010

    Hi Kathy, why do you only get 30 treatments, did they give a reason? I was told I'm having 33 all together, good lord I'll trade ya?

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    I don't know why yet, chiefswife.  Originally I was scheduled for 33 too, and I was told last week that they'd changed it to 30.  That's one thing I plan to ask the rad dr. when I see him this week, so I'll let you know.  He had a substitute dr in for him last week so I didn't ask him since he knew nothing about me.

    Kathy

  • CT124
    CT124 Member Posts: 85
    edited October 2010

    QCA and chiefswife-there is some intersting information on this site at the home page of breastcancer.org. click on radiation therapy. one part describes how they decide how much RT we get and that it is based on location, size, nodes, margins, grade, etc. found this site very helpful. also my RO told me that when they do the initial CAT scan and planning, they are looking at how much heart and lung tissue lie in the rad field and that also determines how much radiation can be given with each treatment. It seems as though as we go through each phase there is so much to learn. There is also a lot of research info and information there.

  • mamaof3bugs
    mamaof3bugs Member Posts: 198
    edited October 2010

    I had #15 today and I think it is starting to get to me :(  I am exhausted and nauseated...really nausea??  I thought I left that behind with the chemo!  I am having shooting pain in my very swollen boob.  I spoke with my RO today and said that all my SEs are withing the normal range.  He gave me a script for some pain meds and wants me to stay on ibuprophen round the clock.  On a good note my skin is still doing fabulous, just a little pink.  By the end of the week I will be over half way done!!  Anyone else having nausea??  Keeping all of you in my prayers!!  Angi

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited October 2010

    Mama, I got myself into some PT/lymphatic drainage massage yesterday.  The integrative clinic was wonderful.  I highly recommend, my excellent PT told me they really downplay what radiation does to scar tissue and good tissue (no kidding!!).  You can get some of that swelling and pain under control with massage and exercise.  My RO is such a cool dude, but he's not one bit concerned or interested in the arm problems I'm having.

    I don't have nausea, but I have heard it's totally normal. And I've also heard ginger cubes are great for it. If you are having nausea, the ibuprofen is going to be troublesome.  See if some stretching can alleviate a bit of that.

  • fayebu
    fayebu Member Posts: 19
    edited October 2010

    Hi Rose6

    I have had 11 treatments so far  and my breast is definitely firmer and denser. I am also very sore. I take my bra  off as soon as I am home. The good news  is my skin is doing well - just a little pink

    Mama0f3Bugs - I have had 2 bouts of nausea  and I have noticed fatigue especially at the end of the week.

  • chiefswife
    chiefswife Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2010

    Hi everyone!! I am home from treatment number 7, 26 left to go. Oh how I hate this. Thanks  CT124 I'll try and find what you told us, I would love to only have to do 30 of these things. I hate every bit of it. So far I am still the same color, no pink or redness at all, YAY!!!!!!!!! I am not sore or feeling any nausea or fatigue either. In fact sleep hardly ever comes my way. I drink a ton of water everyday so at night I am getting out of bed to pee at least 5 or 6 times. So no I never sleep.  :)

    Mamaof3bugs and fayebu boy am I happy to read both of you aren't having any skin issues!!!!!! That gives me hope and helps me not to worry so much. Thanks for posting this.  

  • momofcuig
    momofcuig Member Posts: 85
    edited October 2010

    Hello Gals.....

    Hope I can join this thread. 

    Starting rads on October 26th 

    Started Tamox a few days ago

    And started Antibiotics last night for my THIRD wound infection in my back from my donor site reconstruction in May.

    I am sooooooooooooooooooooo DONE with this cancer thing

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited October 2010

    I'm off to my first treatment.  They fnished all the planning last night (I was there till 9 p.m.!)  I did finally nail down a doctor and have them show me the plan, how close to my heart and lungs etc...  Like many of you, I am a larger busted, 38D.  I will ask if we have more problems.  No one mentioned that.  My RO did tell me my breast tissue might get firmer and denser, slightly smaller, so the SE some of you are experiencing are probably normal....as normal as any of this is!  Off I go!

  • chiefswife
    chiefswife Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2010

    Again thank you CT124, I found what you said was on this site about the radiation, I've read it all, I'm feeling a bit better about this whole thing now. Well maybe I should say now I understand the radiation and how it works on us. Thanks for letting me know it was there all along, I've only been visiting the area where we all chat.

    Welcome momofcuig and DesignerMom, you two will do fine just like the rest of us. (let's pray this is true) we have to think positive!!!! Oh my momo I'm sorry to read about your infection, if it's on your back how are you able to lay down in a comfortable position to sleep? I'm going to stop complaining now about myself since I'm not having anything to gripe about really. I'm going to remember you tonight when I say my prayers. 

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    I don't know what's happening, but today was the 2nd day I got in exactly on time for my Tx.  I was so used to getting in 20 or 30 minutes late!! Faye, looks like you and I are on the same schedule as today was #11 for me, too.

    mama, so sorry about the nausea.  I haven't had any (yet?) but I know that's just miserable.  It's great how well your skin is doing, though. I'm already having constant itching that I'm going to ask the rad dr. about tomorrow

    CT124, thanks for the info about BC.org home.  I read the section on radiation today for the 2nd time and it makes more sense now that I'm actually going through it.  

    Welcome, momocuig.  I'm so sorry you're having to deal  with the wound infection, sort of insult to injury.  And boy do I agree with you on being sooo DONE with this cancer thing!

    Kathy

  • CT124
    CT124 Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2013

    mama

    had quite a bit of swelling and went to OT. after 2 sessions of lymphatic drainage, it is so much better. am doing lymp massage at home also. I don't know if this would help, but I was blown off sev times before I got the consult script and was amazed at how much larger it was-didn't look like that much fluid was there. also the stretching exercises have helped a lot too. I start rads tom. My thoughts are with you. I thought the nausea would be over w chemo done. Don't know if I'm ready for this-still exhausted after the last rnd of chemo-just seems to be taking so much longer to come back after the last round. My thoughts are with you all.

    chiefswife and QCA-Glad it helped. I found it to be one of the better sites to help me understand. I spent so much time looking at the reserach elsewhere, but this really helped answer my questions. I start tomorrow and really am not sure if I am ready, but I remember one of the people in the chemo postings said something that really stuck with me during this whole cancer tx process. She said you don't have to be brave, you just have to show up. And that's what I plan to do tomorrow-show up.

    I thank you all for sharing. You keep making me realize that this is managable.

    momo-you said it. I am so done with this whole cancer thing, but everytime I complain, I am reminded that so many others are facing bigger challenges than me. I have a friend who is battling inflammatory BC. She has been in tx for almost 2 years to try to get tumor to shrink so they can do surgery, and was almost ready for surgery when it flared up again. Some new meds and hopefully they will work. She is also getting RT for bone and brain mets. This is such a lousy disease.

  • bethen
    bethen Member Posts: 82
    edited October 2010

    Hi Everyone..........Started my radiation last Wed.  Is anyone else having double dose radiation?  I am having it twice a day (must be a minimum of 6 hours apart) for seventeen days (total of 34 treatments) and then will be having 6 - 8 boosts directly to the tumor.  I had a mastectomy five years ago along with chemo and radiation, unfortunately they did not radiate the area directly below my collar bone at that time, and so it happens that my cancer has returned to two lymph nodes in that area.  My oncologist has some concerns about the possibility of crossover radiation and the damage that could be done to the area that was radiated before, but time will tell.  I am already starting to get a bit of a sore throat, no burning yet.  Good luck to everyone out there and I will think of you all, each and every day that I lay on that radiation bed.  

    All the best

    Betsy

  • ranafazal
    ranafazal Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2010

    So much for thinking that radiation ould be 'easy'!

    The nausea comes and goes, there is lots of fatigue, and now as I complete the 2nd week I can see the skin turning a shade darker, and the areola has become very tender..the rad. tech said to let her know if it becomes unbearable...

    Am concerned because I still have a long way to go(33 rads), and am worried as am also big-breasted..BTW not wearing a bra helps, but the rad tech said maybe a sports bra would be nice....and thanks to all of you for sharing, I wouldn't have even paid attention to some of the SEs otherwise...even I have some pain in the right arm, and am concerned about lymphedema, will be discussing this at the next review.

  • CT124
    CT124 Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2013

    Betsy- had not heard ab dbl dose rads-please let us know how this works and how you do.

    ranafazal-I started with the cord tightness in arm-and it started feeling different-achy, stiff and then started to get some swelling. swelling not too terrible, but when I went in for the consultation, the tests showed a 13% increase in overall arm size and the cirumference measurements show that there is enough edema that I need a whole program of drainage massage and bandaging to get it under control. I wish I had pushed more when I first noticed it and showed it to MO. I was also concerned because I wanted to evaluate it before I staredt RT. Was suposed to start today and after 45 min of lining everything up, they decided to rework the plan and now will start tomorrow.

    Another day and I so want to be done like all of you are saying.  I am also worried bc I still have expanders in and its overexpanded anticipating some tissue shrinkage during RT. Anyone else dealing with this and having any SEs.

    Thanks

  • hmh23
    hmh23 Member Posts: 306
    edited October 2010

    Betsy;  From what I understand that is a Canadian protocol.  I asked my onc about it and they just don't do it here.  I am a Canadian living in Pittsburgh for the past 25 years and my sisiter went through BC last year in Toronto.  Where are you being treated?

    Heather

  • chiefswife
    chiefswife Member Posts: 70
    edited October 2010

    Man oh man I had treatment number 8 today and as soon as I was done with it and started walking ro the car I just lost all energy right there and then in the parking lot. I came home and went right to sleep, it was like I couldn't even move I was so tired.

    I am exactly 8 weeks from my last chemo treatment today too and I can finally see some dark fuzz sprouting on my head!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!! But still no sign of my eyebrows yet.

    25 crummy radiations left to go, no redness yet either, Thank God. 

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited October 2010

    I am doing great energy-wise, boob is swollen, not really red.  I think I'm on 8, but I decided not to count, so I'm not sure.  I WANT HAIR. 

    Physical therapy has already done wonders for my arm, I'm so very grateful.  I'm still a little tight, but feel great there, too.

    Today's excitement:  I have shingles (or maybe contact dermatitis, something auto-immune, clearly).  Supposedly from chemo.  Kind of scary that crap is still cycling around.  Anyway, on an anti-viral, miserable and itchy.  Hope it doesn't progress.

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    Chiefswife, I wonder if that's the way the dreaded "fatigue" hits, like all of a sudden.  I got home today from #12, got all greased up and sat down in a chair, only to sleep for an hour.  Then, I did exactly the same thing two more times this afternoon!  I hope for both of us this doesn't last!

    MHP70, hope it isn't shingles and won't last long at any rate!  

    Kathy

  • CT124
    CT124 Member Posts: 85
    edited October 2010

    chiefswife-YAYYYYY!!! about the hair. I am getting it back everywhere except head. Isn't it strange how it comes back so differently for wach of us.

    mhp70-hope you are feeling better quickly. You are right-I wonder how long it will take to get rid of the chemo and the SEs.

    when I was reading chiefswife and QCA, I wonder if the rads make the chemo fatigue worse. I am 6 weeks out and have never felt more tired. I start my first RT tomorrow hopefully, was ready for it today. I wish I could get my energy level and the hair on my head back.

  • BetsyP
    BetsyP Member Posts: 79
    edited October 2010

    Is there really two Betsy's in this group......Hi to the other Betsy! Are you a Betsy or Elizabeth?

    I'm just plain old Betsy lol

  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited August 2013

    Hi ladies,

    I had my 6th today, 27 more to go.  I had to skip it yesterday to take my national licensing exam.  I thought it would be a quick and uneventful day today, wrong.  When I walked into the waiting room, my tech already asked me to wait a bit, no explanation given.  There was only 1 other person in the waiting room.  Then I thought that my tech was just chit chatting, so I waited and said nothing.  After 15 mins of wait time, she called me to go in.  I immediately see 3 men walking around and knew they were not the regulars and they are not dressed like the rad techs either.  They were actually the rad machine techs.  As I was waiting to go inside the chamber (dungeon), there's a man talking with one of my techs.  Then he walked away.  By the time I was on the table and I was being aligned, he was back by the controls, the only thing divided the walkway and the control counter was the hospital curtain.  He passed the curtain and was by the controls.  There are 2 surveilance camers pointing at the bed/table.  The monitor is very clear, you can even make out the features on the person's face.  I asked my 1st rad tech, is that guy a doctor, she said "No", he's a physicist, he's tweaking the machine, it wasn't working right.  She tried to tell me he's behind the curtain and the 2nd rad tech told her, no, he's right there.  By this time my gown has been pulled down and I'm half naked.  As the machine was zapping me, I was getting more and more furious, how can my rad tech think it's nothing?  The machine tech should not be watching me going thru treatment and I'm laying there half naked.  I am just so furious and when I told her after my tx session, that rad tech is stoic like nothing happened.  I told the 2nd rad tech, same.  No apologies, nothing.  I wonder how they will feel being so vulnerable and someone can just stroll right up to the monitor and other things when one is doing the treatment. 

    My rad center is one of 6 branches.  I don't think that a doctor is always available.  And honestly, I don't think that they care how I think or feel.

    If this happens to you, will you report it? To whom?

  • AICa
    AICa Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2010

    DiamondGirl, I absolutely would report it; I'd write a letter to the president of the hospital/facility and board members, etc. Everyone with influence. You can often find names of bigwigs on the website. Because I have complained about being uncovered, my techs use a pillowcase to my other breast and to cover me completely after I'm all lined up and before they leave to start the machine. Speak to the techs while you are standing, face to face. Ask to be covered at all times except when you're being aligned; remind them to cover you before they leave the room; and if they forget, call them back; and if they don't stop, sit up. That will get them back.

    I think of the treatment room as a bunker; but dungeon is descriptive, too.

    I've finished 21 of 28 then 8 boosts.

  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited August 2013

    Thank you, Alca.  I thought that my rad techs would be my advocate because they are women.  I'm so wrong.  These are the 2 that really couldn't care less.  I told them that my armpit feels swollen, the 2nd tech had the nerve to say it's not infected.  I told her, I felt it.  Sigh, there are so many of them that are insensitive.  If there are no patients, they will not have a job.  And I hate to be treated like cattle. 

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited October 2010

    DiamondGirl, I agree with AICa, this definitely should be reported!  BC robs us of so much dignity and having what's left be violated so casually showed absolutely NO regard for your feelings.  None of these people would be there if it were not for you, the patient needing their care and expertise in their field.  The attitude of your rad techs, their insensitivity to your feelings is inexcusable.  I'm sorry this happened to you.  I'd been feeling bad because one of my rad techs went to high school with my son, but that's nothing compared to what heppened to you.  At least this young man has a right to be there with me, and he's been very kind.

    {{{{Hugs}}}}

    Kathy

  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited August 2013

    Thanks Kathy for being supportive.  My own sister didn't think it was that bad and it got me fuming.  Another lady on BCO thought that it is a violation of patient's privacy too.

    And BTW, has any ladies here (who had SNB) get a sore underarm? I don't mean raw skin, I mean feeling a little swollen in the arm pit?  I'm wondering if this could be normal.  It's weird, I didn't complain much about the arm pit area after surgery, but now it is bothering me.  Will talk to the rad onc tomorrow.

    Good nite.

  • Kellyelizabethgeorge
    Kellyelizabethgeorge Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2010

    Interesting...I started rads...two day ago...and on the onset ...I was told to take care of your breasts and area from day one...lotion...bra type...and eating...am on third day tomorrow...another 22 to go...

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