Diet to help minimize reoccurence.

Hello, I am 35 had double mastectomy in April had 8 rounds of Chemo> Just finished my radiation and I continue to receive my Herceptin. I am also on Tamoxifen now. I am sooo scared of recurrence anyone have suggestions on some diet tips that would reduce your chance of recurrence. I have tried Weight Watchers I hate the points not working well. I can afford to loose some weight but all the diet foods have aspartame and preservatives in it. I know we should minimize real sugar. I was just hoping for some info and suggestions. Any info will help thanks!

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  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited December 2009

    Aaargh!  I just wrote a long answer to this and then accidentally erased it before I got it posted!

    Anyway, I highly recommend these resources:

    Anti-Cancer - A new way of Life by Dr. David Servan-Schreiber

    Foods to Fight Cancer by Richard Beliveau

    Life Over Cancer by Dr. Keith Block

    This booklet which I found in a post here on BCO:  http://cancer.ucsf.edu/crc/nutrition_breast.pdf

    The China Study by T. Colin Campbell

    The top cancer fighting foods that these books suggest are

    Strawberries, raspberries and grapes

    Onions and garlic

    Cruciferous vegetables (raw or very lightly cooked)

    Citrus (not grapefruit)

    Green tea

    Omega 3s - either salmon or supplements

    Turmeric

    Cooked tomatoes (avoid canned because of BPA from the can lining)

    70% cocoa dark chocolate in moderation instead of sweets

    I am a reformed total junk food addict.  I had a terrible diet before diagnosis, even though I was interested in healty eating.  I bought the first two books I listed before I even found out I had cancer.  Then four months later - breast cancer.  The day of my biopsy I did a complete turnaround on my diet.  My attitude now is, if it doesn't fight cancer, why would I eat it?  It's my version of "doing everything I can" to prevent recurrence.  1/2 hour of exercise every day is also really important. 

    I also take supplements now:

    Reishi mushroom tablets

    I3C

    Calcium d-glucarate

    CoQ10

    Vitamin D3

    Fish oil

    Melatonin

    And I add greens powder and flax seeds to my morning fruit smoothie.  Flax has been shown to reduce Ki-67 which is an indicator of invasiveness.

    I want to get this submitted, but I'll follow up with a couple of recipes.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2009

    Hi, Mickey ~  I think the bottom line is to try to eat as clean as possible, which means focusing on fresh, natural foods, especially fruits and vegetables, and minimizing packaged foods (including things like WW frozen meals), processed foods, and the things that we know are devoid of nutrients, like white flour, white sugar and anything made with them.  I'm sure you've heard the advice about shopping only the perimeter of a supermarket, and it's pretty true.  Most of the stuff in boxes, cans and bottles in the middle aisles isn't worth eating.

    IMHO, restrictive diets rarely work in the long run, and the key is to learn to enjoy fresh, wholesome foods, which will help you loose weight naturally.  Many integrative cancer experts caution us about eating animal products, including dairy.  Some of the books Rabbit suggested explain this.  If you do eat animal products, be sure that they are hormone free.

    As far as avoiding a recurrence, losing weight if you need to is extremely important.  Unfortunately, our body fat produces estrogen, which most of us are trying to get down to a bare minimum with Tamox, an A/I or a natural estrogen modulator.  So find out your % of body fat and work on getting it into a safe range, if necessary.

    I was always a healthy eater -- cooked from scratch, rarely ate beef, rarely did fast food, etc.  But, having had bc, I look at food entirely differently now, and much like Rabbit, I've gotten to a place where I think twice before I put anything in my mouth that isn't nutrient-rich and will help me reach my goal of vibrant health.

    You asked about sweeteners.  Have you tried Agave Nectar?  It's a liquid, much like honey, but milder, without a distinct taste of its own.  Many supermarkets carry it, and it's what I use now in place of honey or an artificial sweetener.  

    Lastly, exercise is extremely important, both for losing weight and for preventing a recurrence, and there are several threads here devoted to that.  I'm on one called Motivation, and I know there are some others.  Check them out and join one of them if you need motivation for exercising on a regular basis. 

    Also, check out the "Natural Girls" thread if you haven't already.  Lots of good tips on food and nutrition there.      Deanna

  • baywatcher
    baywatcher Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2009

    I don't have anything to add but just wanted to say that I agree with both Rabbit and Deanna. They said it well.

    I have changed to a vegan diet and so has my husband and daughters. There is nothing that makes more sense to me.

  • mickey3
    mickey3 Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2010

    Thanks so much Rabbit and Deanna. I am def going to look into the readings and strat the new year out Right! Happy New Year I wih you all the health and happiness in 2010!

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited March 2010

    My PCP (who trained with Weill) recommended the book "Waking the Warrior Goddess: Dr. Christine Horner's Program to Protect Against and Fight Breast Cancer."

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited June 2010

    There is a TON of good info here:  http://cancer.ucsf.edu/crc/nutrition_breast.pdf

    You can see from a lot of the studies referenced in that link that diet has a big influence on risk.  I think a lot of people who believe they have a healthy diet don't actually eat a lot of the foods that according to these studies do reduce risk - like lots of beta carotenes, or cruciferous veggies that aren't cooked to death, and a really wide variety of fruits and vegetables.

    You can be a vegetarian or even a vegan and still have an unhealthy diet.  I was a long-time vegetarian who at lots of cheese, junk food and diet soda.  I sure don't anymore!  I always wanted to eat better but just couldn't.  Cancer was the motivation I needed.

  • meadowlark
    meadowlark Member Posts: 9
    edited August 2010

    dear rabbit_fan

    I was very interested in your list and wonder how melatonin works as a susggestion for prevention? ANy ideas how or why it is suggested? Thanks Meadowlark-

  • redninrah
    redninrah Member Posts: 773
    edited October 2010

    hi can not find that link on the web

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2013

    Redninrah, try this link, it is the one that I use.

     http://cancer.ucsf.edu/_docs/crc/nutrition_breast.pdf  

    Edited to add, you may have to copy the url into your browser. It might be because it is a pdf and BCO may not handle these well.

  • IsThisForReal
    IsThisForReal Member Posts: 384
    edited October 2010
    I've been trying to access the link as well.  Thank you for posting Kathy.  I copied and pasted the addy into the url of the browser and it worked just fine.  Smile
  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited October 2010

    I strongly agree with the recommendation to read Anti Cancer a New Way of Life by David Servan-Schedrieber, MD, PhD.

    It is important that your BMI is in the normal and not overweight range. You can google BMI calculater and calculate yours.

    I second giving up foods with refined sugar and white flour. Eat only breads, pastas and cereals that are made from whole grains and bake with whole wheat flour. Agave syrup is the sugar substitute that causes the least increase in your glycemic state and can be substituted in recipes for sugar.

    If you continue to eat dairy, cheese, yogurt, milk and butter should always be hormone free and organic if possible. The same is true of fruits and vegetables. You can find a list of the 10 safest non-organic fruits and vegetables and the 10 must eat organic fruits and veggies online. If you have trouble finding it send me a private message and I will forward it to you.

    Finally, exercise is important. Multiple published studies show that exercising 3-5 hours/week lowers the incidence of recurrance for breast cancer. The book above assigns a measurement rating to different activities and to reduce risk of breast cancer you can walk at normal rate 2mph at least 3 hours and 45 minutes a week or at a rate of 3 mph at least 2 hours and 45 minutes a week. This is just and idea the book gives measurements for many other exercises.

     At the very least adopting a healthy, low glycemic diet will give you more energy and I found that combined with exercise the extra pounds pretty much slid off and I didn't feel like I was dieting.

    I made the dietary changes on the day I got the result of my biopsy. There was so much unknown at that time and I felt like nothing was in my control but diet and exercise were 2 things that I could control and I felt so much better right away. Good luck making the changes!

  • nancyh
    nancyh Member Posts: 2,644
    edited October 2010

    This might not be the response you are looking for but...

    I lived a really healthy life, exercise and diet, maintained my weight and I still ended up with a massive recurrence to my liver, lungs and spine.  I don't think my diet really mattered.  And, as much as I hate to admit this, all my efforts at exercising (I'm a runner) didn't mean jack crap.  Cancer is an ugly beast and eating healthy foods didn't make any difference for me.  That doesn't mean you shouldn't do everything in your power to prevent a recurrence....but there are no magic bullets.  Some of us are just unlucky.

  • IsThisForReal
    IsThisForReal Member Posts: 384
    edited October 2010

    I'm sorry to hear about your recurrence/mets Nancyh.  I agree that adopting a healthy lifestyle may not be a magic bullet, but it is still important to look after our bodies the best we can.  For example, I have a high risk for recurrence, but, I think it's important to give my body the healthy nutrients, exercize etc. that it needs in order to fight off cancer cells.  Immune function is so important in dealing with this disease and intend to do what I can.  Will it help?  I don't know but our bodies will be better for it regardless of what happens in the long run.

    Toomuch -   I am very interested in hearing/learning about the low glycemic diet, especially since they are now doing trials with Metformin.  Could you pm me info about the safest list for non organic fruits and veggies please?  Thanks.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited October 2010
    nancyh - I think it is true, cancer is an abolsutely ugly beast, it can attack anyone, get through the best defenses.  Keep up the fight!  I love the scene from Die Hard where Bruce Willis is completely battered and the terrorists have his wife at gunpoint and he limps down the corridor dragging his bloody foot.  He drops his weapon, puts his hands up to surrender and unbeknownst to the terrorist has a weapon strapped to his back, whips it out and bam! no more terrorist!  wife is free!  more shooting ensues!   Hero, survivor!
  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited October 2010
    Not sure how big a role diet plays (my mom eats nothing but full fat milk and red meat and smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day), but eating healthy won't hurt - I liked "Anti-Cancer" diet, too.   I would suggest drinking organic milk and buying the hormone free chicken...and avoid chemical sweeteners - those just can't be good for anyone.
  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited October 2010

    Great advice above - but just wanted to chime in that for animal products (meat, dairy, eggs), organic is not enough. Please find a local farm that raises its animals humanely on pasture and buy from them. In other words, you want GRASS-FED beef, not "organic" beef (which is fed organic corn -- cattle should not be eating corn as its primary diet)... buy grass-fed butter... eggs that were actually raised on pasture, not just "cage-free organic"... etc. When you consume pasture-raised animal products, they actually have powerful cancer-fighting nutrients, unlike the ones you get at the grocery store.

    Like others on this thread do, I basically cram as many cancer-fighting foods into each meal as possible (such as on Rabbit's list), and I never eat fake foods (processed foods, fast food, anything non-organic or with GMO ingredients). I cook everything from scratch now... it can take hours to prepare dinner now, since I don't use canned foods or the microwave etc., but it didn't take that long to get used to, and it's SO worth it. (As a bonus, everything tastes so much better!)

    NancyH, I'm so sorry to hear about your recurrence. You're right that eating well and exercising is not a 100% guarantee. I hope that your healthy eating/living is giving you the best chance for many, many years ahead of you.

  • AnnieFletch
    AnnieFletch Member Posts: 11
    edited November 2010

    The info Deanna provided was excellent.    One of the first things I did after being diagnosed with estrogen + BC was to eliminate all dairy, soy, caffeine, sugar, & alcohol.   Also there is an extensive list of vegetables that contain estrogen, so you might want to review the list.  I haven't eaten red meat for about 35 years, & I eat very little poultry & fish.  I found it very difficult to stop eating most of the veggies containing estrogen because I found that there wasn't much food left that I COULD eat.   Also, as Deanna mentioned, it is very important to get your weight down.

  • IsThisForReal
    IsThisForReal Member Posts: 384
    edited November 2010

    I'm wondering if hemp hearts is considered a phytoestrogen?  I've tried to research it but to no avail.  I used to take hemp hearts and just loved it for the energy it gave to me, and I naturally ate less as it is very filling.  Would love some feedback.

  • meglove
    meglove Member Posts: 267
    edited August 2013
    I do not know about hemp heart. First time hear about it Smile. someone post a link about some other plants contain phytoestrogen. I reposted here http://www.cyst101.com/phyto.htm. Thanks to her.
  • IsThisForReal
    IsThisForReal Member Posts: 384
    edited August 2013

    Coffee is a phytoestrogen? Of course - what am I thinking?!  Thanks for posting the link and reminding me!  I'd still like to hear more about hemp hearts though if anyone has any info...

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited November 2010

    Coffee and beer???  Crap, I had no idea!   Guess I will cross those off my grocery list.   Boo.

  • bexybexy
    bexybexy Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2011

    Coffee? I have not heard of that I cannot give it up I love it and besides I only have one cup a day. I am sorry but I have to have some vices lol, I am not obese, do not smoke or drink (all held as general risk factors) so don't think I will be giving up just one cup a day.

    The cancer research Uk website said there was no proven link between coffee and breast cancer.I have also heard that it can help reduce breast cancer risk in moderate amounts.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited November 2011

    There is no scientific data that I am aware of that shows that eating meat causes cancer.   Plenty of vegetarians get breast cancer (as Linda McCartney would agree with if she were alive).   I don't think you need to go vegan to be "healthy".   I think it's about balance - plenty of whole foods, fresh fruits and vegetables, lean meats, etc. 

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited November 2011

    I agree with Nancy on this one.   We should all eat healthy, but I question whether doing so actually prevents recurrence.   As for the BMI link, many women I know were well in a healthy BMI range at the time of their diagnosis (including me). 

    Good nutrition is important for over-all well-being.  But I question how significant a role diet plays in cancer.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited November 2011

    Has anyone read the China Study?  Or Life Over Cancer?  Or Anti-Cancer: A New Way of Life? They all lay out a very compelling case for the correlation between diet and cancer.  

  • OncoWarrior
    OncoWarrior Member Posts: 5,234
    edited May 2015

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