Does it ever get better

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jennyboog
jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322

Guess I'm having a bad day and just need to vent.  I'm so tired of trying to be strong and put on a smile when inside I'm crying in fear.  When will every ache and pain not be cancer, when will every single thought not be cancer, when will every internet search not be about cancer.  I feel like others just don't get it, I mean they try but they don't live in fear everyday.  They don't keep up with twitches or pains and try to figure out is it chemo or cancer.  This thing is all consuming me and I'm so tired of being tired.  I can be doing good for several days and then it all comes to a head in just a few minutes.  I think Tax is going to kill me before the cancer can and to make things worse I feel no difference in my tumor like I did with AC.  I feel so hopeless, does it ever get better?

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  • 524jh10
    524jh10 Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2010

    I sure hope it gets better, but I feel the same way.  How can we go back to "normal" after all this when constant doctor appts. and every twinge reminds us that it could be back.  Where are the people that have gone 20 years without a recurrence?  Everyone seems so happy to go 5 years....I want 20 + years without a recurrence.  I'm heading to my 6th and final chemo on Oct. 25 and still have to go for another year because I'm Her2+ for herceptin.  I'm tired of having to think about it every day and wonder when, if ever, it will not be the #1 thing I think about.  Especially when I have a family to think about too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    ((((((((((jennyboog))))))))  Today suks and I know how you are feeling because I go there all the time, myself.  I've been kind of there today a little bit.  BC Beast takes so much of us away, and leaves us with nothing but fear and thoughts we never would have thought of before.  Morbid thoughts lately for me.  But tomorrow is another day and the a new day brings new thoughts.

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  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited October 2010

    Ladies - I am writing to tell you that yes, it does get better. I was dx in 3/09 and finished herceptin on 4/10.   Now I only see the doctor quarterly (which feels like HEAVEN!), am back at the gym working HARD with a trainer to get my body in the absolute best shape possible, taking lots of supplements to keep my body as resistent to recurrance as possible. But on a daily basis - I rarely think about it at all.  If something hurts, I figure it is something I pulled at the gym, NOT cancer.

    When you are in the midst of the battle, it is all you see. But time WILL pass, and this WILL gradually recede into the rear view mirror.  It hasn't disappeared for me entirely (yet) but is much much less prevalent in my life than it was during active tx.

    I agree with you - I want 20+ years too - but the only way to get there is one year, one month, one day at a time. And I am determined to live each one of those days fully. And you will too - it's just too early on into the battle for you to see it yet.  But you are going to make it.
    Stay strong, keep fighting. It is worth it.

    Any questions or just want to talk more, feel free to PM me.

    In sisterhood & support - 

    Amy

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2010

    Everyone wants more than 5 years, whether it is realistic or not. Think about all the medical advances that can happen in just 5 years. 

    I'm only a year out and cancer is still very much on my mind.  I have found that one way to lower the volume on the cancer radio is to take charge by exercising, finding healthy ways to relieve stress, (I'm a middle aged lady who can barely touch my toes and I just started yoga) and eating better.  Take inspiration from the runners on this board - many of whom started after treatment. 

    If the thoughts become all consuming it might be time to ask for some pharmaceutical help.  Even a small temporary dose can help break the cycle.

    It will get better.

  • 524jh10
    524jh10 Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2010

    Thanks for the encouragement and the knowledge that this won't be the only think I think about every morning I wake up!  I try to be strong but some days....ya just don't have it in ya.....

    Thank you so much!!!!!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited October 2010

    Thanks so much, I already feel better.  It's so nice to talk to others going through the same things.  I'm with you all I want to see the 20+ survivor...where are they?  Is 5 yrs. all I have to shoot for...heck at this point in tx I need to shoot for 1 yr I guess.  I need to stop having my "pitty party" though b/c I have a much longer road ahead.  Thanks again gals!

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited October 2010

    When one day you realize that you haven't gone on BC.org for a week --- you'll realize you've turned a corner.  Yes, it gets better -- you start obsessing about other things, you get used to having follow-up visits where the results are NED.  I still go to a support group every week because these women are special friends, and we all have that quick flicker of fear when there's a new symptom -- is this a recurrence ??  But there's more to our lives than BC.  so hang in there !

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited August 2013

    There are good days and bad days and once you finish treatment, chemo brain fades, your body recovers (even the scars get less prominent) and when your visits to the docs come with more time inbetween until you get to yearly checkups, life almost seems like it was before cancer.  That 5 year mark is amazing!  It was when I truly 'lived' again.  Although I started to long before that - there is something magical about the 5 years and that looming black cloud of a recurrence seems to fade away to allow nothing but bright sunshine in!  I even got used to the external prosthetic (and the funny things that happened with that). 

    Yes, it gets better.  I pray that you never have to encounter the beast again!

    I had node involvement and it was continuing to spread into another at the time of removal so my risk of recurrence was a bit greater and I made it to the 10 year mark but at 10 1/2 years, well, I am now a member of the SS Stage IV Cruise line.  Don't use me as an example.  I did have almost 10 years of not waking up every morning with it being the first thought on my mind - some, yes but not all the time. 

    In the space of time since initial dx and now - I have more hope today because of new treatments and more on the horizon that since it is only in my bones, I may yet have the opportunity to LIVE with it.  It can even get better at stage iv though never go away. 

    It isn't about being 'strong' - or 'weak' - its about you and you will get through this and the sun will shine on your beautiful face again...Hugs...LowRider

  • maryannecb
    maryannecb Member Posts: 1,453
    edited October 2010

    YES...as soon as you are well enough, grab your life back and run! Plan ahead, go back to work, make mistakes...

    5years..and 1 month here!

    I may think about BC once a day now..only...and anytime I am tired I worry...but there are many great times when I feel just like the same old me.

    I look back at my active treatment days as a distant memory...

  • Laura-Vic
    Laura-Vic Member Posts: 72
    edited October 2010

    Be assured - it DOES get better.  As my chemo continued I too thought - shit, if cancer doesn't get me, this chemo will!!!  But alas ... that was 3 years ago now.  And if you are having a pity party - where is my invitation?  You'll find that very few of us every pass up a pity party invite !!  We've had ours, sometimes MANY of them and heck, party is good.

    When did you ever think you'd talk about bodily functions with total strangers and find it absolutely normal?  Did you ever think you'd tell someone with total excitement that the wind blew your ONE hair and you felt it?  We get it girl ... we really get it.  That's why this forum saves what's left of our sanity.  People can sympathize and they mean well but they do not "get it".  We get it.

    And yes - sometimes, a charley horse is a charley horse and not a blood clot - hahaha.  Oops, can you tell - I did that - haha.  But now - I realize that I am the most important thing.  It's not my job, it's not the deadline I missed, it's not the burnt dinner ... those things come a dime a dozen.  Okay, I'm not perfect at it yet - but aren't we all a work in progress?

    Deep breath ... today is today and the next 20 years will come one day at a time.  None of us has a guarantee whether we had cancer or not.  And yes - we HAD cancer.  But we HAVE today - smile, take the anti-nausea, tell us about your bodily functions ... and don't forget - we love to party !!!

    It does get better.  And someone else said it too - you realize you haven't checked into this site in awhile - that's me!!  And when you do - you realize that it's time to pay back.  I'm depositing my two bits Smile

  • lorieg
    lorieg Member Posts: 802
    edited October 2010

    YES, it gets better.  Check out my stats....they are not great, but I live and love each day more than the previous.  It gets much easier to deal with as you go.  A year ago for me was soooo much harder than today.

    Hugs and sorry for the intrusion onto your board!!

    Lori

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited October 2010

    YES!  I echo what all these ladies have said.  It does get better!  For me, it took a year...but it does get better.  Come here often to vent...I found what helped me a lot is just to read that I was not alone in how I felt.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited October 2010

    I was a MESs when I was diagnosed. A complete and total mess. I had some very dark thoughts. Here I am a year later in the best shape of my life and really really happy. I decided that ok I go thtis disease but I am going to use it to change my life. I will emerge better, healthier, and living the life I always wanted to live. And that is exactly where I am 1 year later. I feel hopeful, healthy, and go days without fear or even thinking of the disease. You will get there!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited October 2010
    Thanks so much to each of you...I've not really come here alot to chat, just to compare symptoms.  I think I should come more often just to get stuff off my chest b/c as I said the people around just don't get it.  What a roller coaster of emotions, you nailed it sherrig!  Anyone ever been a little jealous when you see a young 20 year old with a healthy set of ta-ta's! Laughing  I use to never even look or care and now I do.  Thanks again, you each gave hope to the hopeless!
  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited October 2010

    Jenny - funny you should say that about noticing other people. I never was like that at all. But a few weeks ago, we went to our weekly tailgate party before our college football game. A number of couples about 10 years younger than me (so they were early 40's) were there. The wives were a little more fashionable, more trendy and just seemed so young, carefree, healthy, happy. It really bothered me in a way that was totally uncharactistic of me. My DH was totally perplexed. But I think it was another stage of grieving - for my lost carefree self. While I am doing very well, I know I will never be that carefree earlier version of myself again. I guess I saw it in them and pined for it a little.

    Yes the venting/sharing REALLY helps. Just to be with other women who GET IT is just priceless.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited October 2010

    Jenn...I look at them and think - just wait until they hit 40 and see the grooves in their shoulders and then at 50 when no matter how little you wear a bra, the grooves are still there and now with the mets I had to finish the reconstruction and had those D cups reduced to B cups and at 56 - even without the nipple, I have perky boobies and can go braless and my shoulders love me!  It has helped with the mets pain too - my mets in all in my spine - am I jealous?  Nope - my shirts button and I will never have to worry about my boobs becoming part of my waistline. 

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited October 2010

    AmyIsStrong: I completely understand your post! I've been there too. I'm so envious of women who can be carefree. I'm tired of worrying, and I know that it's a serious waste of time, but I can't seem to get past it.

    Perhaps, with me, it's because I've had BC-related 12 surgeries in 2 years. It seems I'm always in the hospital or doctor's office ... still ... even more than a year after finishing treatment. Plus I'm still dealing with so many side effects from surgery and chemo, and from the Femara. From almost no eyelashes and extremely dry hair/skin to tear ducts that are permanently scarred shut.

    Also, the Femara causes anxiety.

    I'd like to move on but there are so many daily reminders.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    Jernnyboog:  Just be sure not to be too tough on yourself.  You are allowed to feel whatever emotions you want to and don't take any crap from anyone. I think there will always be dark days, especially when we are constantly reminded of how common this disease is.   Ok - thanks for letting ME vent. 

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited October 2010

    Haha, That is too funny.  I do the exact same thing, maybe it's not the ta-ta's I'm jealous of maybe it is the carefree life they have and they don't even realize it.  It's the death of the life I knew & giving up that control that upsets me I think....this thing sure lets you know what is important in life and show's you who is really driving this train.  I'm looking forward to being able to button a shirt too :)

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited October 2010

    Yep. It's sorta the same angry and frustrated feeling I get when I see people being reckless about their health. I'd give anything to have what they don't seem to treasure.

  • littletower
    littletower Member Posts: 333
    edited October 2010

    I think one of the greatest losses is that loss of innocence, of feeling carefree...the loss of that innate feeling of safety and security I once had. That loss alone is a very sad thing. And yes, it makes us envious when we see others who are enjoying that feeling and taking it for granted. Just like I did. Yes - this disease bites the big fat one.

  • BonnieK
    BonnieK Member Posts: 655
    edited October 2010

    It does get better over time and the fear does subside, but I don't think we are ever quite the same as before BC.  I was diagnosed 2 years ago and still have days that are not so good, but most days I am hopeful and happy.  BC still passes through my thoughts at some point every day, but it doesn't run my life.  Next week I'm having my implant removed because I have capsular contracture (this is the second time this has happened) and I am hoping that the end of reconstruction might also be the beginning of my "new normal" because I'll finally be finished.

    I have fairly bad osteoarthritis in several joints, and I asked my oncologist how I'd know if an ache or pain was something to worry about and he assured me that I would just know.  He's gotten me this far, so I'm choosing to believe him and go on with my life and enjoy each day as much as possible.  We all know that BC sucks and we all obsess and worry and cry at times, and we wouldn't be human if we didn't do those things.  Please don't beat yourself up for being normal! 

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited October 2010

    I'm 2-1/2 years from diagnosis, and except for coming to this board to read and post, I don't think about it very much at all. I am even making long-term plans like looking for a house (starting this weekend), and planning a special vacation in a year.

    Once you are out of active treatment, it becomes easier. Your dr appts become less frequent with time (I only see my onc every four months, soon to go to every six months) which definitely helps you get back to a normal schedule if you are working. I hate having to use my personal/vacation time for those. 

  • lorieg
    lorieg Member Posts: 802
    edited October 2010

    Funny, I am actually jealous of old people...those who have watchedtheir kids grow up, get married, have children of their own.  I am jealous of old people I see walking down the street!  Crazy, I know....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    I am 8 months from my last radiation treatment. I have hair but its different. I am constantly tired and run down.I question every ache aqnd pain. Filled with anger over this whole experience. I went to a support meeting yesterday and they told me this is all normal. It could take a year or more before I start feeling like my old self. I need to cry and grieve to get there. I guess it will come in time. Meantime I see 2 counselors and take antidepressants. I come to these boards more than once a day to visit with my cyber sisters. I get a lot of understanding here.

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited October 2010

    @ lorieg...I'm the same way with old people.  I was at the hospital one day and as I was walking out the door I saw this old man and he was helping his wife get out the car holding an umbrella for her and I just broke down crying.  All I could think was that will never be me and my husband.  I thought I was the only one that looked at old people too :)

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited October 2010

    Oh, just for clarification - having mets - the boobie thing is about the ONLY thing I get to be carefree about - the rest of it sucks the big weenie. 

    I sure know what you mean about old people - couples I envy so much...since my SO died, I have been alone - now this lovely crap came back...my biggest fear is that I will end up dying alone.  I am giving the dating a good try and if things go well, perhaps I can set that fear aside.  He knows what is going on with me - I am just not sure he really understands that it will likely kill me.  I could have at least 5 good years left - maybe 10 or more - 20 would likely be pushing it..

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