My pink problem

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2010

    Another nice post. I also hate that "lost his/her battle with cancer" obituary that people get. It is so insulting - as though the person had somehow picked a fight in the first place. Or as if the disease COULD be conquered but the person, through his/her own weakness, failed. I hate that emphasis on it somehow being a personal quest. It's just a plain old disease. I am sure no one in Medieval Europe was so stupid as to think that a person had "lost his battle with bubonic plague." How can you lose a battle when there is no win (cure) to be had?

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    I also hate the term "survivor". Why? Because it is ONLY applied to cancer patients. How the heck did WE get so lucky (ha) as to be labeled thus.

    Have you ever heard someone who didn't die from their heart attack called a "survivor"? Or heard such a person say "I am an X-year heart disease survivor"? Or diabetes?  I bet not; but according to Cancer Survivor Logic you should have. They all experience(d) the effects of a disease that could have killed them at the time but because of medical intervention it did not do so.

    On a lighter note, about a month ago I went into a store and the cashier, seeing my Style By Chemo headscarf look, said with a big perky smile "I see you're a survivor!"  Undecided   Some warped inspiration prompted me to give her a wide-eyed innocent look and say "Oh you must be mistaking me for someone else, I've never been on the show. Eating bugs is so not my thing!", gave her a bright smile, took my package and walked out of the store (perkily Wink  ).

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited October 2010

    I can't stand the word "survivor" either, but for a different reason. Here in Israel, as in many Jewish communities in the U.S., the term is used for Holocaust survivors. They are real heros, not me. I have a disease. No one sought me out to kill me.

    It will be interesting to see what terminology is used when the first Komen race in Israel takes place (Oct. 28). I'm participating since I know the fundraising is important.

    One good thing - there is no Pink All Over The Place in October here - the disease isn't used to sell yogurt or vacuum cleaners.

    Leah

  • NatureGrrl
    NatureGrrl Member Posts: 1,367
    edited October 2010

    Leah, yes.  Those people are survivors. 

    lovemygarden, thank you for a laugh!  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    I hate pink and I refuse to use the term survivor. If I had a pink pin I would wear it upside down with a circle and line going through it. BC has taken so much away from me. I am still trying to work through its mental ugliness. It had left me numb. I cannot cry and it has been over a year. My grandmother died (age 93) when I first learned of the BC. I couldn't cry then not even for her. I don't feel pink. I feel black and blue.

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    I've often thought of the "No Pinking" symbol too, but as someone else mentioned, it is all too easy for some people to misinterpret our feelings as if we somehow "don't want them to find a cure". Ha. As if.

    I realize that the victims of many other serious diseases would love to have their cause get even 1/4 the marketplace attention that bc gets -- which raises this question: Do they too resent the Pink Marketing, and especially Pinktober, for that reason? I certainly wouldn't blame them if they did.

    There is a fine line between awareness/fundraising and exploitation, and IMO the pink industry has crossed it. 

  • Melinda41
    Melinda41 Member Posts: 672
    edited October 2010

    So many good points being made, "lost battle to" (bubonic plague, great analogy). "Survivor", I read that you are not a "cancer survivor" until you die of something else.

    I hate the "you are so brave". Brave, to me, means that I volunteered to go into a dangerous situation for a greater cause. I am not brave, I was minding my own business and cancer invaded my house. What the hell am I supposed to do, hide under the bed and let it burn the house down with me in it?

    I do wonder if the other diseases resent the BC awareness, and here we are bitching about it.

    Do we know what we would like to have happen? I don't think I would mind the "exposure" if they would just be a little more realistic about it. Where are the images of grandma taking care of the kids since Mommy is sick in the bed with chemo? Where are the realistic images of reconstruction or booblessness? I have never seen a BC ad which shows a woman with one saggy boob and the other boob up under her chin from a tissue expander.

    Thanks to the previous poster that mentioned Metastatic BC Day, I posted the article from the Huffington Post on my Facebook and no one acknowledged it.

    I imagine people think "How could anyone die of BC, I thought you got treatment and then started running marathons and doing yoga?"

    Truth in advertising, that is what I am asking for. When they are raising money for natural disasters, they don't show images of rainbows and unicorns. Think about hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, what images did they show to raise awareness?

    Pink Stinks!

  • thepinkbirdie
    thepinkbirdie Member Posts: 212
    edited October 2010

    "Survivor"... to me it sounds like I've been in a plane crash.

  • thepinkbirdie
    thepinkbirdie Member Posts: 212
    edited October 2010

    I posted this on another thread about the awareness games going on on Facebook... please forgive me if I've already posted it here and just didn't see it... I'm still in a sleep fog.

    I came up with an idea last night about a Facebook thing.  I just wish I'd thought of it sooner instead of the middle of October.  And I'm just not real good at promotion, I guess.I know there are a lot of mixed feelings about the pink ribbon month and merchants cashing in on it. Therefore, I suggested that anyone who has someone in their household, or a parent, sibling or child who has had cancer, place a large ribbon on their mailbox or on their door if they are in an apartment... or just somewhere highly visible in their yard.  The ribbon should be the color of the cancer.

    I guess my thinking is let's show everyone the true impact of cancer, whether it's breast cancer or a cancer of another sort with real people, real homes in real neighborhoods, not just in the commercial sector or in the isle of the grocery store. 

    I couldn't find a large pink ribbon in my house, so I've used a bright pink shower puff. 

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    Oh gosh Melinda, I sooo hear you on both the "brave" thing AND the responses. I don't consider myself brave, when all I did was cope as best I could with the unexpected and unwelcome hand that I was dealt. That's not "bravery", that's just living daily life as an adult is expected to do. What did they think, that I'd walk around like Cassandra prophesying doom, or be unable to crack a smile or a joke? Sheesh.

    And yes the cluelessness about post-bc life abounds. I have a friend who calls every couple months since my dx and asks how I am feeling. I say "just fine" (because it's true) and that I have X more months to go of Herceptin but other than taking a couple hours out of every week it's no big deal. And every time, she says "So now you're cured, right? You had your surgery and they got it all, and the chemo is just insurance."  I just respond by saying that yes they removed the tumors and got clear margins and it hadn't spread to my lymph nodes, because I think it would be hurtful and upsetting to her if I gave the 100% honest response which would be that the word "cured" is not one that should ever be used to a cancer patient, since we know better than that. I also don't burst her bubble about Herceptin (she's under the impression that it "works" for everyone who gets it). 

    I can't help but wonder if all the Pinkified images of bc have contributed to her "find it - get treated - life will be all good again" mindset. We need reality, just like we get on CNN etc when there's a disaster, or watching Michael J. Fox and comparing what he is now to what we remember him as being before Parkinson's. Yes those things are upsetting to see and elicit a gut reaction; they NEED to be. But what do we get? People smiling in a chemo chair, and cutsey pink ribbons slapped onto everything. Bleah.

  • lwd
    lwd Member Posts: 1,084
    edited October 2010

    Melinda,

    Thanks for your post.  I totally agree with you.  I was first diagnosed with Stage 1 almost 14 years ago.  I did a Race for the Cure for 2 years after treatment, in celebration of completing treatment.  But, the 2nd year I felt like I was "on display" so those without BC could feel good about themselves.  All the clapping and fawning over us, as though we were such heroes.  I haven't participated since, and was diagnosed with recurrence and mets 20 months ago.  I really HATE THE PINK!  Enough of awareness, now how about a CURE?  The entire pink thing has become a mass marketing scheme.  It is jaded and objectionable for so many of us who are Stage IV and who see no hope for a cure. 

    Lane

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    As for the Facebook idea... I have to honestly say that I see absolutely no sense or reason in it. It does nothing useful to help anything or any bc patient. It's nothing more than yet another ultra-sanitized, politically-correct and useless display. The notion that X number of colored ribbons fluttering in the breeze would even remotely show the "true impact" of this disease is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of: that it could ever convey to anyone else, in any meaningful sense whatsoever, the real-life cost of the disease -- not only in dollars and cents out of cancer patients' pockets but in the hours lost and personal hells experienced by each of us.

    Also, these Facebookers should keep in mind that we who find the Pink objectionable have enough to deal with, being bombarded with the marketing in stores, on products, in the media, etc, without having to ALSO get it thrown in our faces every time we drive down the street! Where is any sensitivity to fellow-patients' feelings in this idea?? "Let's have a public head-count of how many people in our community are dealing what kind of cancer" -- for what? "Awareness"?

    Awareness, schmareness. Enough already. Everybody "knows about" bc, just like everybody knows that if you smoke you're likely to end up with lung cancer and they didn't have to slap brown ribbons all over creation to get that message across.Oh but wait, they couldn't have built such an attractive and lucrative marketing campaign on that disease.

  • Laurie08
    Laurie08 Member Posts: 2,891
    edited October 2010

    Melinda, this is so beautifully written and dead on, amazing post.  This is what should be on tv for commercials.  Some how the media needs to be woken up!!  Thank you for sharing this.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited October 2010

    I like the pink...but when it is a pink ribbon pin, a pink bracelet or something similar to demonstrate that I've made it through breast cancer....I think people need to know how many peoples lives are impacted by this dreaded beast!!  I will not buy a pink vacuum, food processor or anything similar..that is just crazy....But as much as people know about BC, there are still some people out there in denial that it could be them next.  I did a health fair last year for Komen and a friend of mine stopped by....she told me that she doesn't need to worry about BC because no one in her family has had BC....well, I'm the history in my family!!!!  So for me, the awareness is to get people to take care of their health and get screenings etc.....I get so tired of hearing that early detection is the key....like it is a cure!!...well, I got annual mammos for many years and my first "bad" mammo ended up being a  stage 3 Dx......I don't just want a cure....that means people still get breast cancer....I want a prevention so it goes away forever!!! 

    I am doing the RFTC in Israel with my DD #1...hope I get to meet Leah_S....I plan to wear my pink grass skirt over my regular skirt, a pink hat and some pink baubles (sp).....I want people to know I "survived" the horrid treatments and that I'm still here.....In Colorado the rate of BC is 1:7 vs 1:8 for the rest of the country....

    Isn't great that we can all support each other and say what we think!!!  Karen

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    Karen, see, that's a big part of my beef with all this "awareness overkill". The inescapable fact is that no matter how many people are 'made aware', there will always be a big percentage that are in denial OR for whatever their reason may be, choose not to do self-exams and/or get a mammogram (not that either of those are a guarantee of bc discovery, as much as the Pinks make it sound as if they are).

    I speak from personal experience because I was one of those people. But I take full responsibility for my decisions and I don't put one iota of blame on "lack of awareness" because dammit I've been hearing the bc-awareness refrain for what, 20 years? As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. I was beat over the head with Pink Awareness for decades but it never made me choose to do or to not do anything. Operative word: choose. That's what it all comes down to, every day, about so many things including our health. Not what we 'know' intellectually, but what we each choose to do.

    I was extraordinarily lucky to be one of the rare 1% of bc victims who develop Paget's and that's the only reason that my cancer was discovered while it was still Stage II. Despite all the Pinkwashing out there, it was my own body that found the one and only way to smack my brain upside the head and say "Hey stupid, yoo-hoo, there's something wrong here" in a way that I couldn't fail to notice and investigate. The Pink Brigade had absolutely nothing to do with it.

  • NatureGrrl
    NatureGrrl Member Posts: 1,367
    edited October 2010

    50 to 70% of women who get bc had no known risk factors. 

    To me, it is and will continue to be, not about awareness, but education.

    I will never shy away from telling people the truth about this disease.  They won't learn if I don't say something when they spout misconceptions.

    Oh, my, such a soapbox I'm on this month!

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited October 2010

    You can say that again, Carol. I'd never heard of Paget's until the day I sat down and typed "nipple lesion" into Google. I saw that I fit the profile, and also saw that the other causes of what I was seeing on my skin were either impossible or highly unlikely.

    As a result, I hied myself to my dermatologist the next day and told him "Do a biopsy of this, just to rule out Paget's." He said "I doubt it's that." I said "Do it anyway for my peace of mind." The rest is history.

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited October 2010

    Melinda:

    Your post hit the nail on the head with a mallet!  And so very well written, and by reading all the posts, we all very obviously feel exactly as you wrote.

    From the day I was diagnosed and on, I took every pink "anything" that I was given - from decals for my car, to a license plate frame that claims I am a "survivor," to pink t-shirts and tossed them all away.  I detested each and every "token" of cancer.  I already had it, I didn't need to wear it or decorate my belongings with it as well.

    I am not a marketing tool, I am a real live woman that was pushed to the ground and run over by a thousand wild horses upon my diagnose and treatments.  I have risen to fight this beast of a disease, and I will continue to do so in any other color other than pink.

    Thank you for your eloquent post.

  • Melinda41
    Melinda41 Member Posts: 672
    edited August 2013

    Damn, I am just not dealing with Pinktober well at all. This is my blog entry today (I just copied and pasted instead of doing the whole rant again).

    I am in a very crappy mood today, just angry, pissed off and tired of all this crap.

    First off, my morning TV line-up has changed so I have been watching "The View"....probably my mistake, I should know better. So today, Sherri and Elizabeth get mammograms. It is Elizabeth's first and Sherri's first in many years. Watching them whine about the pressure, the squeezing, the smooshing of the mammo just really pissed me off. If you can't handle 3 seconds of smoosh every couple of years (or whatever the CDC is recommending now), why even bother getting a mammo since IF you have cancer, three seconds of smoosh will be a freaking walk in the park.

    I am NOT saying don't get your mammo's, but please...please can we put this in perspective ladies. "I had to get a mammo and it squished me" wahhh wahh f*cking wahhh. It does not even register on the crappy day meter once you have had the bad mammogram and all the ensuing shit that goes with it.

    Suck it up, it is not about saving the boobs, squishing the boobs, getting new perky boobs....woman are dying. Your squishy little test is like a paper cut. BUT, there are people out there whose paper cut turned into gangrene, their hand fell off and it led to a systemic blood infection that killed them.

    (Man, I will be glad when Pinktober is over).

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited October 2010

    Finally someone speaking my thoughts.  I hate this, I hate this, I hate this!  How DARE someone try to pick a 'color' for my experience.  I went undetected for years because my stupid Gyn apparently doesn't know about Lobular cancer, Dense breast Tissue and Hormone Replacement Therapy .....................and Doing an ULTRASOUND.  Same exact story for my sister in law.  So where is all the money going?  PINK BROCHURES that assure you 'everything is FINE........  I stopped wearing pink two years ago.  Did I mention that I hate this promotion at our expense?

  • She
    She Member Posts: 503
    edited October 2010

    Keepin' it simple ...

    PINK STINKS

    This is my 14th Pinktober.  'nuff said.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited October 2010

    Pinktober makes my head explode. DH came home this afternoon with spaghetti boxes adorned in pink. They are in the trash and DH is mystified.

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited October 2010

    Melinda,

    You need to send that blog to the View.  Seriously.  

  • pagowens
    pagowens Member Posts: 194
    edited October 2010

    HI Melinda,

    I have joined the pink stinks club!  This is my first October post BC diagnosis - I feel used.  In addition, I'm really angry about the fact that many folks are getting quite wealthy on the BC train - the companies using the pink to market products to women, the charities who purport to raise funds for the cure but their CEO is making over $500,000 per year (About $150,000 more than the head of the American Cancer Society - a much bigger organization, more than double what Dr. Weiss earns with BCO, and a fairly high pay for ANY business) and who has 16 more executives making well over $100,000 - with 2 of those in the $400,000s.  In 2009 - that charity  -- whose name is everywhere this month - had those 17 employees making over $3 million combined - they have hundreds of employees.  And, in 2009, their revenues were down about 10%, and research grants were down another nearly 30% but salaries and benefits were way up.

    When the h.ll did pink philanthropy become a line-my-pocket business? 

    Educate yourselves.  Go to www.guidestar.org, register for free and check out the form 990's of your favorite charities - including the pink ones. They are not hard to read and compare the current year (2009) with the previous one.  Generally several years are listed.  The Form 990 is an IRS required submission and comes from the charity's audit materials, filled out by independent audirtors.  The first page is a summary, but you can scroll through the form and find the "top executives" pay - the name, salary and benefits are listed for each key employee.

    Now, I work in the nonprofit world and am not opposed to a decent salary for hard working staff.  But I think a couple hundred thousand a year is more than sufficient for a charity leader (no matter how big the charity) to live a comfortable life.  A half million in salary is way beyond comfortable.

    I resent that my and other diseased boobs are being used this way.

    Pat

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited October 2010

    I dislike Pink October too. 

    Being a breast cancer blogger, I have been solicited all month to put crap on my blog to promote "awareness" (but really to sell a product).  At the end of the month, I'm going to post some of the more egrigious ones.

    I recently had a friend who is stage IV ovarian cancer write a guest post to share her feelings on pink october.  She did so eloquently, I thought.  

    I don't know if it's okay to share a link to your own blog or not, so I won't chance it, but it's in my signature if you want to find what she wrote.

    In honor of her, I decided to do a post about changing Breast Cancer Awareness month to just Cancer Awareness month.  Keep the pink, lose the breast.  No cancer is more deserving of attention that others.   Breast cancer does strike more women that most other cancers but many other cancers have a much lower survival rate.  Like ovarian.

    If you want to sign a petition to show your support of all people with cancer during the month of pink october, it's here:

     http://www.petitiononline.com/nocancer/petition.html 

    By the way, I have no illusions that Komen or anybody will pay much attention to that petition. it's just to make a solidarity point to others with cancer who have to watch the pink parade.

     

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited October 2010

    Coolbreeze, thank you, thank you, thank you!  I read your friend's blog and love every word of it.  You see I lost my mother to ovarian cancer on November 5, 2001 and ten months later I was diagnosed with stage III ovarian cancer.  I'm still here 8 years later and have been told that I've beaten the odds.  I feel very fortunate but also find it chilling.

    I have posted on this site about how lonely ovarian cancer can be.  You don't have the support or the attention.  There are few women to support you because so few make it.  A Toronto television show a few years back had their entire audience made up of women who were going to walk in the annual "Weekend To End Breast Cancer" in support of the Princcess Margaret Hospital.  I politely emailed them asking if they could include other women's cancers in future especially as September is Ovarian Cancer Awareness month and this show aired in September.

    I received a polite response saying they would consider it and, of course, nothing happened.  I am pleased to report however that the walk has this year changed to the "Weekend to End Women's Cancers".  Now that's progress.

    As annoying as Pinktober is, it's better than being ignored.  I remember walking in Costco a few years ago and stopping dead in my tracks.  An ovarian cancer PSA was running on a TV and I had to stop in shock to actually hear anything about ovarian cancer.

    So thank you again for sharing.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited October 2010

    I thought I would post a couple of links that show that the media itself seem to becoming tired of the pink.  There was a third on MBC but I can't find it - dern that fade brain again - that was most excellent.  It was a gal in North Carolina who actually got a gathering together for MBC Day with congressmen and all - I know I am coming from an area that gets little attention - for instance, did you know there is a special ribbon for mets?  It isn't in the stores or on any merchandise - it is found only on metivivor.org.  Perhaps next year, our campaign will be more successful - it was only last year that the 13th of October was declared National Metastatic Breast Cancer Awareness Day. 

    The one article was an attempt this year by stage iv women to write letters to their local newspapers and such to raise awareness of MBC, the 'unspoken of' side of breast cancer.  Some of us had articles published, many did not - I submitted a few and none were published.  I was, however, interviewed for this article. 

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elaine-schattner/metastatic-breast-cancer-awareness_b_760347.html

    The other is quite interesting.  I think there is a growing awareness in the public of the very things we are discussing here.  My fear is that no matter what we think of the pink - there is money donated and given and we surely don't want that to stop.  The masses are much like lemmings...and will all follow each other over the cliff - I hope that the anti-pink publicity points the lemmings to where to send their donations to make them count the most - pointing them to a new cliff to jump off rather than just taking the cliff away. 

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/pink-ribbon-fatigue/

  • PB22
    PB22 Member Posts: 315
    edited October 2010

    Thanks for the link, thats exactly how I feel.

    Also caught the View and all their whine and thought the same. 

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited October 2010

    I think all the focus on mammograms sends the wrong signal that as long as you get a mammogram, you're covered. I love the idea of focusing more on cause and prevention. And what about the different types of breast cancer? If one more person tries to compare my situation with a "friend of a friend", I'll scream. My own mother constantly tells me, "I have a friend who had breast cancer years ago. She's fine and never thinks about it anymore. I don't know why you have all these problems!"

    I also agree that the marketing side of the pink campaign has gone overboard. I actually had a car dealership send me an email offering pink cookies if I brought my car in for an oil change. Gee. That gesture makes me feel warm all over! (Gag!)

    How many of us were shocked when we learned what we'd have to endure? By how we felt? Where are the media reports on those details?

    All this focus could be used for far more education. Since so many women get this damned disease, why not give them more information so that they're not so overwhelmed all at once?

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited October 2010

    I'm a Pink "moderate" myself, but just wanted to add my name to those who enjoyed the insight of your post.  Amusing and too true!

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