Genetic Testing?

HR2009
HR2009 Member Posts: 4

So I have been doing alot of reading and trying to decide whether I should do the genetic testing.  My mom was diagnosed at 65 in her left breast.  Then when she was 77 she was diagnosed in her right breast.  Sad to say...but I don't know what kind, but I do know that the second round was faster growing.  At age 77 my mother decided not to fight the battle and breast cancer took her life at 79 in March 2009.  She was an only child.  Her mother died young....when my mom was 12 of pneumonia.  She had an aunt and she died of old age.  So it's not like I have a strong family history, but then the family is small.  So I am torn.  Oh....and 5 months after my mom died I was diagnosed with LCIS.  This year I had another biopsy due to calcifications....fortunately it was negative.  Anyone out there have a similiar history that did do the genetic testing?  Or any thoughts you would like to share?  Thanks!

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  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2013

    I was referred for genetic testing after my excision revealed LCIS and nothing worse, because at the time I only knew I had 1 postmenopausal maternal aunt, and a paternal grandmother (?age) with bc.  My paternal grandmother had no daughters.  I think I was referred because my paternal grandmother had no daughters, and at the time I didn't know if her bc was pre- or post-menopausal.  I later found out my paternal grandmother's bc was post menopausal.  The genetics counselor gave me a 2-4% chance of having a deleterious BRCA mutation (which is the approximate incidence of a deleterious BRCA  mutation for an average Ashkenazi woman.) 

    Here are the USPTF guidelines:

    These recommendations apply to women who have not received a diagnosis of breast or ovarian cancer. They do not apply to women with a family history of breast or ovarian cancer that includes a relative with a known deleterious mutation in BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes; these women should be referred for genetic counseling. These recommendations do not apply to men.

    Although there currently are no standardized referral criteria, women with an increased-risk family history should be considered for genetic counseling to further evaluate their potential risks.

    Certain specific family history patterns are associated with an increased risk for deleterious mutations in the BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene. Both maternal and paternal family histories are important. For non-Ashkenazi Jewish women, these patterns include 2 first-degree relatives with breast cancer, 1 of whom received the diagnosis at age 50 years or younger; a combination of 3 or more first- or second-degree relatives with breast cancer regardless of age at diagnosis; a combination of both breast and ovarian cancer among first- and second-degree relatives; a first-degree relative with bilateral breast cancer; a combination of 2 or more first- or second-degree relatives with ovarian cancer regardless of age at diagnosis; a first- or second-degree relative with both breast and ovarian cancer at any age; and a history of breast cancer in a male relative.

    For women of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage, an increased-risk family history includes any first-degree relative (or 2 second-degree relatives on the same side of the family) with breast or ovarian cancer.

    About 2 percent of adult women in the general population have an increased-risk family history as defined here. Women with none of these family history patterns have a low probability of having a deleterious mutation in BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes.http://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/uspstf05/brcagen/brcagenrs.htm#clinical

    I had genetic counseling, but since my risk was so low, I decided not to have testing.  (The test expenses would be out of pocket, and would have been about $4K in 2006.)  I was very glad I had genetic counseling though, because they told me I had a low probability of having another weird condition called Cowden's Syndrome, which I had never heard of.  They ended up saying Cowden's would 'be a stretch', so I didn't have testing for that either; again, it would be out of pocket.  Cowden's is a rare condition; at the time I researched it, there were only about 200 people worldwide - ever - who had genetically been diagnosed with it.  

    I'm glad I had the counseling, though.  It cost about $300 out of pocket in 2006.  I knew they were being thorough because they questioned whether or not I had Cowden's.

    Your mileage and choices may vary, of course.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited October 2010

    My onc said that the testing is not accurate enough and did not recommend it in spite of a history of cancer in my father's family.

  • HR2009
    HR2009 Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2010
    Thank you leaf for your response.  So if I understand correctly my mom would fit into the "first-degree relative with bilateral breast cancer" category?  She had breast cancer in the right side and later in the left.....is that bilateral breast cancer?  I did make an appointment with InformedDNA and insurance will cover most of the cost.  I learned about them from FORCE (facingourrisk.com)....good site.
  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited August 2013

    HR2009: Yes, your mother is a first degree relative.  Other first degree relatives would be one's father, daughter, son, sister, or brother.  Second degree relatives would include aunts, uncles, grandparents.  

    I do not know if bilateral breast cancer means synchronous (simultaneous) bilateral breast cancer, or metachronous breast cancer.   I would GUESS that it would mean synchronous.

    In this paper, they defined different types of breast cancer as: Patients with synchronous breast cancer were defined as having contralateral breast cancer within 1 year after excluding local spread of primary breast cancer towards contralateral breast. Metachronous breast cancer was defined as contralateral breast cancer diagnosed more than 1 year after primary diagnosis of breast cancer and after exclusion of distant metastases and locoregional recurrence of primary breast cancer http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/9/1373.full

    I don't know how the USPTF defined bilateral breast cancer.

    In this 2005 paper, only a small percentage of breast cancer patients have synchronous bilateral breast cancer. Thirty out of 1100 (2.7%) patients with breast cancer treated between 1993 and 2003 had BBC, of whom 20 patients had metachronous and 10 patients had synchronous BBC. Family history of breast cancer was present in five patients (16%) only.  http://breast-cancer-research.com/content/7/S1/P6

    Pathologically, breast cancer can be a multicentric and bilateral disease. Bilateral disease is somewhat more common in patients with infiltrating lobular carcinoma. Patients who have breast cancer should have bilateral mammography at the time of diagnosis to rule out synchronous disease...The risk of a primary breast cancer in the contralateral breast is approximately 1% per year.[22,23] Patient age younger than 55 years at the time of diagnosis or lobular tumor histology appear to increase this risk to 1.5%.[24]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/treatment/breast/HealthProfessional

    I have NOT read that infiltrating lobular carcinoma puts you at higher risk for BRCA positivity. So I GUESS that  the USPTF means synchronous bilateral breast cancer.  But I do not know. 

    I would ask your clinician.  (I couldn't find any references to how the USPTF defined bilateral breast cancer.  I probably missed something.  I'm sure the genetics counselor would know.)  Some people have unusual family tree patterns (such as few females or few offspring in a generation), and they may need analysis by a genetic counselor to examine their family tree.

    The USPTF guidelines are just guidelines.  They aren't a 'line in the sand'.

  • chefmb
    chefmb Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    If your insurance covers the testing I don't see any reason why anyone wouldn't get it. It is a modern diagnostic tool that only gives you more knowledge. If you have a first degree relative with breast cancer, most insurance companies (at least in my area) will cover the test. You can also probably fight it out with the insurance co if they say no at first. In my area (NYC) the doctors fight it out for us with the insurance co. I was only responsible for $600 of the $4000 test. 

    However, the genetic testing is in its infancy and there are supposedly lots of mutations they don't even know about. In my family, my paternal aunt had pre-menopausal breast cancer as did I and my father (my aunt's brother) had a melanoma. The high risk genetic specialist oncologist  at NYU feels we have a familiar tendency not yet discovered as we are negative for BRCA.

    NYU has a study for Ashkenazi Jewish women who have at least two relatives with breast cancer who are BRCA neg. They are looking for new mutations. They need lots more participants and will send you a swab test in the mail if you qualify. 

  • DocBabs
    DocBabs Member Posts: 775
    edited October 2010

    Chefmb, Are you seeing someone at NYU? I use Julia Smith.I am negative for the Braca gene but my brother has melanoma and several first cousins have breast, bladder and uterine cancer. She feels that there is some gene mutation somewhere in the line.There is another test that she would like to do but insurance will not cover it for me but will for one cousin that was under 50 when diagnosed with breast cancer. Problem is my cousin refuses to be tested!

  • deiag
    deiag Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2011

    Hi!

    I´m trying to get any help I can on this one:

    I´m a brazilian ashkenazi. Both sides of my family have a history of breast cancer - ALL of the affected women had never given birth. We are 7 on my mon's side, 2 on my father's side, considering 3 generations.

    I was dx at age 32 with ductal invasive carcinoma, st IIIb. It was all very fast - my tumor reached 8 cm in 45 days.

    My onc really wants me to get tested in order to have preemptive mastectomy on the other breast and have the ovaries removed. Doctors are VERY reluctant to prescribe preemptive mastectomies down here.

    In my specific case, strongly feels that I should be tested in order to go down that way. Problem is, testing in here is not covered & incredibly expensive - and my insurance wouldn't cover testing done in the US.

     Does anyone know of a reliable lab that offers testing via cheek swab (blood tests are not a possibility) or any group in need of volunteers for genetic studies?

    Thanks a bunch!

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited February 2011

     Perhaps someone at  FORCE may have suggestions.  http://www.facingourrisk.org/info_research/hereditary-cancer/genetic-testing/index.php

    I don't know the reliability of this place in Iceland that  does cheek swab testing. It sounds like its controversial as of 2008. This Washington post article (2008) says the FDA doesn't approve tests. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100702682_2.html?wpisrc=newsletter

    I don't know about their costs, although the ~$1.5K the Washington paper quotes is less than the ~$4K I was quoted way back in 2006 for a Myriad test.  You may be able to contact them. http://www.decodehealth.com/for-patients

    I am *not* recommending Decode;  I don't know hardly anything about it.

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited February 2011

    My mom died of bc and her two Aunts above her both got it.  When i was dx with LCIS at age 47 I got BRAC12 tested and it came back negative.  I am glad I did the testing as it took some worries off my mind and limited my treatments to the breasts.  The genetic counselor thought my test would run negative, even with the strong family history.  She was correct.  My sis also took the test and came out negative.  I was somewhat concerned about future insurance issues if I got a positive, but the laws are supposed to protect you and I wanted to know as much as the current technology will bring.  Good luck to you.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2011

    I ended up going to see a geneticist this week in spite of being a bit sceptical because I think my highly hormone receptive bc x 2 were caused by HRT and the pill. The surgeon recommended it due to my bilateral bc. He wants me to have the test done but it is not covered by insurance or the government and would cost $1,600 here in Oz. I can't afford to do it, so he is going to try and refer me to a local public hospital where they use a points scoring system to decide if they will test you for free. It was interesting to see they take points off for lobular and HER2. He said he will use my IDC for the submission. There is a strong history of cancer in my father's family. One sister died at 49 of bc - but of the 23 cousins, only me and one cousin (a daughter of my Dad's sister) have had bc. We'll see what happens from here.

    Sue

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