anyoneTN with DCIS and microinvasion with no chemo

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  • tsmc4
    tsmc4 Member Posts: 27
    edited December 2010

    Ellie, it seems to me that you and I are in the same situation and are the only one's on the planet in the same situation!!  I have searched and searched and can not find any other triple negative that did not get chemo.  I also can not find anyone else that had a tumor as small as ours, mine being 2mm.  I was just told last week that I did not need chemo and was so glad to hear that, but at the same time a little nervous about it too!  Well...ok...a lot!  I believe in and understand what the Dr.s are saying, but am thinking of traveling to where ever it is that specialized in tn, just to make sure I am doing the right thing as I have three very young girls at home.  I will just tell you how my story went....

    I started out with a needle biopsy and what they took out measured 2mm, this was triple negative.  Then I went to a large breast cancer center and my oncology surgeon sent me to have a MRI and it showed 2 more areas of concern that they wanted to biopsy and at that I said "no thanks get rid of the boobs and test it all when your done"  I personally could not handle going thru any more testing and waiting and didnt like the idea of radiation, because I read that they havent done long term studies on the effect of radation on young people and I was a basket case already!  I was told that I would definately have chemo after my surgery.  So, I had the mastectomy Sept. 9 and just got the results back last week that in wasnt in the lymph nodes nor were the other spots cancer and also ....which is still blowing me away ...was that there was no cancer in the area where the original spot was....they apparently got it all out with the needle biopsy!!!  What the heck, can you believe that!!  So, they also told me last week that I did not need chemo, that the bad risks of what chemo could do out weighed to good.  

     I have searched and searched and can not find any studies on this or anyone that has been in our situation.  I am totally overjoyed one minute about this and nervous as heck the next and am having nightmares that they missed something.  I am always wondering if they ever accidentally miss looking at something or mix up tissue.

    Bessie, you totally amaze me with all your knowlege about breast cancer and the time that you devote to explain all this, you are the answer to so many people's prayers and I hope I will be able to help just a few people one day the way you have hundreds or more I'm sure!!

    Tammy

  • tsmc4
    tsmc4 Member Posts: 27
    edited December 2010

    Yikes, I didnt know that was that long! 

  • EllieH7
    EllieH7 Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2010

    Tammy, So far I am doing well except for a radiation burn , which the rad onc. and also my surgeon said will heal in time. The surgeon said sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. I saw the onc  this am and she said just my skin reacting from the rads. Oh well I will just sit back and relax and wait and see what happens she said No infection, Thank GOD!!!

    Ellie

  • Lmflynn
    Lmflynn Member Posts: 373
    edited October 2010

    Ellie and TSMC -- I have a 3mm tumor and DCIS and seriously thinking of no chemo.  I have seen two oncologists and all have said that its a gray area.  (I live in Houston and seen MDAnderson).  I'm scared not to do chemo and Im scared of chemo.  From what I've reserched on triple negative it is rare to "catch" it before it is 5mm or larger where chemo is definitely recommended.  We are in a smaller bunch of people.  Hope that maybe more people post that had small TN tumors that did not get chemo and are doing well??

  • EllieH7
    EllieH7 Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2010

    Lmflynn.

    I am so glad you joined and posted your diagnosis.

    I have been searching for someone to chat with and talk about the cancer I had. You see I had DCIS which measured 2.7mm and I also had a small portion of IDC as well which was  1.2mm  was told no Chemo, because the results could be worse . So, the Medical Onc. and the Rads Onc. both agreed top 26 whole breast and 9 boost which I finished on Sept. 23,2010 and keep wondering if that horrible disease will return. I have been walking everyday for 1/2 hour and also have changed my diet to try to keep the beast at bay. Can you please stay in touch with me so we can tell each other about our progress and where we go from here? Will being seeing Rad. Onc on Nov. 5 for a 6 wee followup and she said 6 month mammo which I am trying to figure out how they determine from finish of surgery or finish of rads for 6 month you know what I mean?

    Look forward to talking with you soon and God Bless You!!!

    Ellie

  • Lmflynn
    Lmflynn Member Posts: 373
    edited October 2010

    Ellie - I will keep in touch.  I have to decide by the end of the month chemo or no chemo.  I am a healthy peson -- have run marathons and yoga fanatic.  Vegetarian for a lot of my adult life although I am not now.  But still try to be mostly organic and healthy.  A few drinks now and then are my "vice"  I'm 44 - so I keep weighing pros and cons.  Most say that at the small size risks of chemo outweigh benefits -- but what if you are the "1" that it helps??  Or the "1" that gets luekemia?? 

    Sorry to be venting -- the decison making is the hardest of all.

     Thank you for replying God Bless You as well and hopefully we may get others that find us!

  • EllieH7
    EllieH7 Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2010

    Why do you have to decide? Are they leaving it up to you? Both the Medical Onc. and my Rad. Onc. said due to the small size of the tumor that the Chemo as they put it would overkill it. So, like I stated change diet, walk 1/2 hour everyday even weekends, try to keep stress level down cut my hours at work and most of all PRAY everyday to be Cancer free forever..As my diagnosis seems so close to yours, I will be curious as to where you go from here. 

    Hugs

    Ellie

  • Lmflynn
    Lmflynn Member Posts: 373
    edited October 2010

    I just sent a PM.

  • Lmflynn
    Lmflynn Member Posts: 373
    edited August 2013

    Yes, pretty much leaving it up to me.  Because so small -- but b/c I'm young, etc. and TN is supposed to respond well to chemo two doctors have said just go ahead -- but they can't really tell me what it buys me.... vs. what it could cost me.  I need to try to change my profile as this is a local recurrence -- and may also be why they recommend but don't demand chemo.  I have heard the "gray" area so many times I want to scream!

  • EllieH7
    EllieH7 Member Posts: 45
    edited October 2010

    Exactly what does it mean anyway the "gray" area?

    Ellie

  • Lmflynn
    Lmflynn Member Posts: 373
    edited October 2010

    That there isn't any good data - that shows benefit over risk of chemo.  That in most cases small tumors (T1a) do not benefit from chemo -- but again there are always people where the cancer does metasisize even when DX was T1a.

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited October 2010

    I'm triple negative and have absolutely no idea what my onc will say about treatment... my first appt is 10/20.  I'm completely uncertain what will be recommended.  I read up on types of chemo for triple negative (I'm also BRCA2+), but I don't seem to fit a general category now.  I thought I'd automatically get chemo (triple neg).  I had a bmx 10/7.  Final pathology found no invasive component, no nodes.  Actually, all it found was .9 x .8 cm DCIS.  The only IDC was found at biopsy, and there was never any size attached. The biopsy said it was too fragmented, but stated it was in all 3 sections of the biopsy tissue.  So I have no clue.

  • maggiedog
    maggiedog Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2010

    I was diagnosed in July 2010 with DCIS, High Grade.  Had mastecomy right breast with sentinal node.  Latest pathology showed Grade 3 DCIS with Microinvasion, ER, PR, HER/Neu negative with no further treatment required except recommendation to have other breast removed as well as ovaries removed.  We seem to fall into a very small category and that somewhat scares me.  I am also positive for BCRA 1.  Like to hear from other with similar story.

  • Hockeymom1
    Hockeymom1 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2010

    Maggiedog, my story is similar to yours.

    I am BRCA1+ diagnosed with Grade 3 DCIS w/microinvasion triple negative. I've had a bilateral mastectomy (12/08), and complete hysterectomy w/oophorectomy.

     Oncologist said NO to chemo. 

    So far so good - almost 2 years!

     Good luck to you!

    Keli

  • MsBliss
    MsBliss Member Posts: 536
    edited October 2010

    TSMC4 and Ellie, you are not the only ones!  I had a much larger tumor, and did not have chemo or rads due to secondary health issues.  I am now 18 plus months post lumpectomy, which is all the treatment I had.  Actually, I had a second lumpectomy one week after the first to clean up some DCIS.  There are a few of us out there....very few though!

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited November 2010

    Thought I'd respond to this post one more time.  I decided to get a second opinion on my case and went to OSU.  I got my results today.  The whole question with me was "how large was the IDC at biopsy?".  Well, OSU determined I had IDC of .3 cm (3 mm) at biopsy.  I'm triple negative, BRCA2+, 43 yrs old, 0/3 nodes, no vascular invasion.  They also determined I had .9 x .8 cm DCIS from the actual mx, and an extremely small microinvasion (so small it was hard to see, their words).  My original onc said 4 rounds of TC, and OSU agreed with that treatment mainly because of my age and being triple negative.  It almost seems as though some areas of the country are becoming more aggressive in treatment of even the smallest triple negative IDC's.  I certainly thought if I was below 5 mm, chemo wouldn't be recommended.  However, after hearing the recommendation from two onc's, I will go with their suggestion.  I fear chemo, but I fear a recurrence more and at least I'll know I did all I could do.  They're telling me (via adjuvant! online) that if I did nothing else at this point, disease free survival of 10+ yrs would be 80% and if I have chemo, it jumps to about 88%.  Then factoring in certain changes in diet, excersize, and supplements, chances then are well into the mid 90's.

    So, I just wanted everyone to know... 3 mm triple negative IDC here, no nodes, two different onc's recommending 4 rounds of TC, 3 weeks apart.

  • EllieH7
    EllieH7 Member Posts: 45
    edited November 2010

    Good luck with your Chemo, I will pray for you.

    Ellie

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited November 2010

    cc4pg - hi, mine was 3.5 mm no nodes, TN, and I also did TC x4 every three weeks.  

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited November 2010
    Sugar77:  Finally someone similar to me!  Thank you so much for posting.  I'd seen you on the other TN thread here but had no idea yours was small like mine.  Seems most TN this small don't get offered chemo, so it's good to hear my onc isn't the only one.  Oh, and must comment about Mississauga!  I could be wrong, but I believe this is one of our favorite spots.  Is there a portion of beach there where the water stays shallow for what seems like forever?
  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited November 2010

    cc4npg:  Maybe you're thinking of Wasaga Beach... 1.5 hours northwest of Toronto? Longest freshwater beach in the world, and very shallow water.  (Mississauga is a city on Toronto's western edge - it's on Lake Ontario, but not known for its beaches!)

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited November 2010

    Could be, but I could swear we stopped once or twice in Mississauga.  Either way, wherever that shallow water beach was, it was absolutely beautiful and my little ones (at that time) loved it!

    My onc called me earlier wanting to know if I could come in tomorrow morning.  I guess she wants to get things started.  I told her I'd LOVE to come in earlier, but kinda hard to do being on the other side of the US.  At this point, I think I just want to get it started so I can get it done.  I figure with any luck, I "may" feel fairly decent for Thanksgiving, and will be somewhat adjusted to things by Christmas.  I might actually be done by around Valentines Day if we get started asap?  That doesn't sound too bad.  I've been reading the cytoxan/taxotere thread here (all 200+ pages!) so I'll be as prepared as possible.  Hope everyone has a good, pain free evening!

  • SusanHG
    SusanHG Member Posts: 655
    edited February 2011

    EllieH7 and LMFlynn:  I too am in that grey area and am getting tired of it!  I guess it is just a shot in the dark at this point.  I figure I will get 3 opinions and take the winner? Geez...never thought life could be so uncertain.  My tumor is 3 mm. hidden within a large area of DCIS 4cm+.  I was shocked after my lumpectomy to find I had a tumor.  The MRI showed that it was completely ductal.  Could it have grown during the month waiting period? not sure.  I have also totally overhauled my diet--only eat fish, no meat, cut out white sugar and most white flour, lost 27 pounds so far and would like to lose at least 20 more (shooting for that "ideal" BMI of 22).  I live close to Buffalo and noticed that a couple of you ladies live near Toronto.  I am going to Roswell Park Cancer Institute tommorrow and to another breast center for my second and third opinions.  PM me if you want to talk more.  Thank you, Bessie for your perspective and all the great advice.  I hate decisions!  I only wish someone could make them for me...

  • cc4npg
    cc4npg Member Posts: 764
    edited March 2011

    Well thought I'd update.  I had 3 mm IDC taken out at stereotactic biopsy and DCIS less than 1 cm left at final pathology after bilat mx.  After seeing two onc's, I decided to have TC x 4.  My last treatment was 1/31/11, so I'm 4 weeks pfc now.  I had the last of my surgeries Feb 28th (oophorectomy and exchange).  I feel I've done all I can to knock this beast outta me.  I know I was in a grey area, but both onc's I saw recommended chemo because of my age and being TN.

    SusanHG:  If I were you, I'd do chemo just to know I'd done all I could.  If it comes back, will you regret not getting chemo?

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