Worried/Frustrated
My mom had a modified radical mx on monday. They found a microscopic cancer in the sentinal node, so they removed the auxilary nodes. We get the pathology results tomorrow.
I am frustrated because I do not know (nor does my dad) if they did a mammogram on the other breast. They did not look at her heart, no scans, no MRI...should they have done all this before the surgery to see if it had metatasized? The past two days she was under the impression that they got all the cancer out, but now she understands. After they get the results tomorrow, the surgeon said that it will be three weeks until they can see an oncologist to discuss a treatment plan. Three WEEKS?!? This seems like a very long time. Does anyone go to Kaiser? Did you get good treatment there?
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Hi geek, First of all, welcome to this ILC group. I hope your mother is recovering well from her surgery, and, of course, the shock of diagnosis. I also hope that no more cancer is found in the nodes; it doesn't sound like there will be with such a tiny bit found in the sentinel node. Chances are that your mother had at the very least a mammogram on her "good" breast. Chances are that your mother had an EKG on her heart and a chest x-ray prior to surgery, too. This is standard. The other scans, such as an MRI on the other breast to see if there is anything there before any treatment begins, or a PET/CT to be sure there is no spread of cancer cells elsewhere (unlikely with so little node involvement, but the size of the tumor might be considered), these scans can be ordered by the oncologist. If the oncologist recommends chemotherapy he/she may order a MUGA scan to check her heart, too, before starting treatment.
I'm sorry that they are telling you 3 weeks before seeing an oncologist. That seems like a long time to me, and the waiting is so hard. I'm not familiar with Kaiser, but I know that others here are. Have you considered getting an outside opinion (outside of Kaiser that is) just to have as much information as possible? Will Kaiser pay for this? In my view, it is a good thing to have lots of input, and if they are making you wait, maybe you could get this opinion while you are waiting.
Edited to add: You are able to ask for your slides and mammogram films, and copies of every report from the surgeon, hospital, and pathology lab, then take this information to other oncologists for input.
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Thank you Gitane. I asked the surgeon after her surgery if they did a chest x-ray, he said "not that I can remember". I'm going to try to talk to my mom about it soon. I very much like the idea about talking to someone out of Kaiser. I'm going to look into this. I don't know how much lymph node involvement there really is until tomorrow. But you say if it's just a microscopic amount in the sentinel, there's a good chance there isn't much involvement. That's comforting now, even if it's not the case tomorrow
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Hi Geek,
Just wanted to share my timeline. I had an excisional bx, followed by a segmental mast(partial). I had to ask for a second look at my "good breast" during my pre rads mammogram. A suspicious area was found, leading to a stereotactic bx on that side which thank goodness was negative. However I did have an MRI between my first and second surgery.
It is routine procedure to have an EKG and bloodwork (cbc, sma 12 ) done pre op, but routine CXR are usually done on folks over 60 or someone with an underlying problem, so I didn't have one either.
My first onco appt was 3 weeks post 2nd surgery (segmental) also. The incision needs time to heal, and most treatments from rads to hormone therapy can't be started until there is significant healing from the mastectomy. Here is some info about the acceptable time for starting chemo post surgery. http://meeting.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/16_suppl/660 The one thing that you may want to ask the surgeon about is sending the tissue for an Oncotype DX test to determine if chemo would be a benefit. Here is the Oncotype DX site for more information on the test. Note that it takes 10-14 days to get results back, which would then be available for the first onc appt. http://www.oncotypedx.com/
I am also a proponent of a second opinion, especially if your Mom is in the grey area for any treatment options.
Good luck!
MM
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Hello, my input is pretty much the same as the others. My right mastectomy (sorry, I haven't memorized all of the abbreviations yet) was on September 27 and the oncologist appt was scheduled for 10/21 which is more than three weeks. The surgeon said that they need the full pathology report as far as ER/PR and HER2/neu status and the drain tubes need to be out and be on my way to healing before going on to chemo. The doctor said that they try to begin chemo 30 - 45 days post surgery.
I hope all goes well for your Mom. Of the people in my family, my daughter has taken the news the hardest. I will also say, from a mother's perspective, the comfort and support I have received from my daughter is something I will always treasure.
Stay in touch and let us know how she is doing.
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SAMayoFL,
Thank you so much for the timeline and kind words. It puts my mind at ease. I hope that you are recovering well and that peace is with your family.
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MRI: I did have a chest x ray before surgery. I also had an MRI on both breast before surgery because my tissue was so dense that the tumor was 5.5cm before they found it. Good thing too because they did find several suspicious areas in the other breast one ended up being a small amount of LCIS. I don't know if I would have had the MRI if it weren't for the dense tissue and the 1st tumor taking so long to find. My surgeon doesn't like to have his patients put under multiple times if he can help it so I got it all removed in one surgery.
Other Tests: As far as all the other PET etc tests… they normally would have waited till after the surgery but my surgery was scheduled a month out and also my tumor was so large (at the time they thought 7cm) that they allowed me to do it before. If I had mets I would have done chemo before surgery.
Oncologist wait: As far as waiting 3 weeks to see an oncologist. Not at all unusual. I managed to see one 2 weeks after surgery only because I made the appointment 1 month before my surgery. Had I waited I too would have had to wait at least 3 weeks to get an appointment. I still did not start chemo till 5 weeks after my BMX. Many wait 6 weeks although others wait 4 weeks to start. It all depend on when your surgeon says you are OK to start.
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I had my diagnosis based on a mammo/ultrasound combo. Then I saw a surgeon for a biopsy. The surgeon ordered a cat schan and mri of both breasts as well as a bone scan. All were clear. They checked my nodes during the surgery and they were clear. There was no chest x-ray or heart tests but at my age, I have some tests done routinely during annual exams. Your mom may have had prior tests on file with her primary care doctor.
My tumor was 1.8 cm and because it was so close to 2 cm my surgeon said she wanted to get as much info as possible before deciding on treatment. Had it been found in my nodes, I would have had chemo but the OncotypeDX test was 18 and I decided against it.
My Timeframe: Lump discovered mid Feb., Biopsy 10 long days later, Surgery March 31, Radiation in May. It does take several months.
Roseann
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