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  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited July 2010

    Jackie, I hear ya!!!  You hang in there too!

  • Swanny
    Swanny Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2010

    Had my first Taxotere yesterday.  All went well.  No SE's yet and I am at work today.  Have to go for the Neulesta shot later today and I have to have another Muga and EKG because I dropped out of the study (even though I just have a Muga and EKG about 1 month or less ago)

    Hope everyone is well.

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2010

    Hello all,

    It's been a while since I've posted and just saw that I was a little behind Brena and Teresa! Anywho, I was in Arm D and did the WHOLE thing.  I think I was lucky in part due to the fact that I really didn't have a lot of the side effects that some of you have experience.  The worst SE was my nose!  I think that was due to the Taxol.  I was taking my flaxseed oil daily w/cottage cheese (as the German Doctor Budwig recommends).  I do think my eyes have gone a stray.  I have talked to my onc and he said that maybe its due to my age! HA! Can't believe that...I do need to have them cked though.  The other SE for me was the weight gain...that part sucked.  I have now lost 27lbs and sill have a few more to go before I am down to my Pre BC wt.  Things do get better.  I am sorry to hear about the expanders and the pain they can cause.  I will be hitting my 3rd year in October NED.  Remember to take time out for yourself and don't over do it.  ASK for help.  See if any of the local hospitals have a wellness center that offers free massages or reiki to BC patients.  My hospital has a program that does this and it was wonderful being able to go monthly for a massage or accupressure.  I highly recommend it.  I now go to my chiropractor and get tissue massage at least 2-3 times a month.  I have also done accupuncture which is fabulous!  Well, now that I've made another chapter here I will just leave you all with a {{hug}} and a Smile for the rest of the week/month!

    Keep your thoughts positive! Take care.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited August 2010

    Just wondering what is every one hearing from docs on whether Avastin is helpful or not.

  • susiesue
    susiesue Member Posts: 68
    edited August 2010

    Next Friday I will be unblinded......I am hoping to be in arm B.  If I am in arm C, I will have to make the choice to continue with Avastin after chemo, or choose to leave the trial.  So, I am looking for thoughts, pros and cons, from anyone else who has made this decision.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited August 2010

    I did not have to make the decision, it was made for me when I developed reaction to Taxol. They had to remove me from Avastin.

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2010

    susiesue,

    I had to make the choice and I had thought at the beginning that if I was in Arm C that I would stop at that point and not continue into arm D.  Well, I ended up being in Arm C and I DID continue on thru for another 6 months.  To be honest, it was fine.  It was much easier than doing the trial and the standard treatment.  During my chemo treatments from the start, I never really had any huge issues.  There was only 1 time my oncologist told me to not take the dexamethadone the night before and when I started receiving Taxol (my 2nd one) I got really hot and felt like i was going to pass out and they ran into the room and stopped it, gave me some oxygen and then started it back up slower and I was fine. My onc had me take the dexa the night before every time before I rec'd taxol and it never happened again.  I can say the only issue that was a major pain was my nose issues which stemmed from Taxol.  Does Avastin really help in early stage BC...I don't think anyone can answer that question until more time has passed.  All I know is that it has benefited colon cancer patients and lung cancer patients and I am hoping to see it in print one day that it benefited early stage breast cancer.  We would not be where we are today if no one got involved w/clinical trials.  It's sad to think that the percentage of people who sign up is very small... 11% or so.  Back to the trial...it's your choice and no one else's.  My husband wouldn't even give me a vote on the trial itself.  I talked to family and friends who supported me and gave me their input.  But ultimately it's you. 

  • mitymuffin
    mitymuffin Member Posts: 337
    edited August 2010

    I had my fourth Taxol on Monday and this included the Avastin/placebo. Today, Wednesday, I've felt sick all day and I wonder if this might be due to the Avastin. Other weeks with the Taxol I've felt pretty well and had good energy. Today I've just been wiped out all day and my stomach felt off.

    Can any of you tell a difference when you get the Avastin? Or course, I guess I could be feeling the cumulative effects of four Taxol treatments. (I'm on the 12x weekly.) Any thoughts?

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited August 2010

    Mitymuffin, I too had my fourth taxol on Wednesday with the Avastin/placebo.  So far I feel fine, knock on wood.  I am also on the twelve weekly.  Are you getting enough rest, or overdoing it?  We seem to overdo it when we are feeling good don't we.  I hope you feel better!!!!

  • mitymuffin
    mitymuffin Member Posts: 337
    edited August 2010

    Jenweg, I hope you continue to feel well.  I felt okay until yesterday (which was actually Thursday) and maybe it was that classic "four days after" when I've read some people feel fatigue. So far this morning I feel better,  just a little headache and nose issues, but I will go to excercise class.  Let me know how you do.

    I've been in your part of the country many times. I have an old college friend living in Connyingham Valley, near Hazelton. I'm from Mississippi but living now in south western North Carolina. 

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited September 2010

    well I was unblinded today in the trial and it turns out I am receiving the real drug and am in arm c which would continue on for ten more treatments every three weeks.  However, I am dropping out of the trial.  I already have my oopherectomy and tissue expander exchange surgery scheduled for November.  I cannot wait another year to have my surgery, I want these rocks out of my chest!  So hopefully they can use what info they already got from me on the trial.  I have two more weekly taxol treatments left WOOOHOOO.  The light is near!  I hope everyone else is doing good.

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2010

    Jenni

    Congrats on getting to the end.  Soon my friend soon!  I will be unblinded in 3 weeks.  My onc nurse and I had a lot of discussion around what if's last week.  I am seriously thinking the same as you - if I am in c I am not sure I can go for arm D. 

    Hang in there and keep us posted on progress.  I have #7 Taxol tomorrow.  only 5 to go after that.  yay! 

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited September 2010

    I hear ya Jackie!  I just want to be done now haha.  Plus I am thinking that the risks outweigh the benefits with the avastin.  Especially the kidney problems right!  It is hard to imagine that we are almost done isn't it.  When this whole thing started months and months ago I didn't think we would ever get there!  Almost time to celebrate for sure!  Good luck with the rest of your treatments.  Keep us posted on what you decide.

  • michellehb
    michellehb Member Posts: 35
    edited October 2010

    For anyone out there who may be concerned about low LVEF related to Avastin and Adriamycin. Mine rebounded back into normal range after 6 months, so apparently it can get better. Have to admit that I too am kind of happy that I dropped from the trial. Life is almost back to normal approaching my 1-year anniversary of my last chemo treatment.

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited October 2010

    Thanks for the update Michelle.  I am due to be unblinded on Oct 21st.  I am anxious to see if I am actually getting the Avistan. 

  • lmank
    lmank Member Posts: 4
    edited October 2010

    Hi all,

    I heard from my father's cancer doctor who is treating triple negative bc patients with avastin that it "works". He was interviewed by ABC News recently regarding FDA's struggle with the drug. His name is Dr. Gary Cecchi in Berkeley, CA. I can't find the link now but If I do I will post it.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2010

    Dear LMank,

    The jury is still out on whether Avastin works for BC or TNBC. For any doctor to say that they are treating people with this drug and it "works" is a bit premature without data. Is this Dr. Cecchi treating patients using Avastin as a single agent?

  • lmank
    lmank Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2013

    I'm thinking he is basing his "works" in his experience with his patients. His comment was not a  data driven proclamation and one should always know the context. However, as a highly respected bay area cancer doctor, speaking to the daughter of a patient who mentioned that her sister had participated in a study with avastin, he was encouraging. How's that for politically correct?

    Anyways I think the ABC NEWS interview gives the story of one of his patients. I hope to get a chance to talk to him further; any questions you'd like me ask him?

    Laura

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2010

    Dear Laura,

    That sounds politically correct and reasonable! By the way, I participated in the ECOG 5103 study too. Every doc that we spoke with - and we spoke to quite a few! - said that it was a "good study" and encouraged us to consider joining. Maybe I am splitting hairs but I did not hear any of them say that the drug works.

  • mitymuffin
    mitymuffin Member Posts: 337
    edited October 2010

    I was unblinded two weeks ago and was in Arm B, so I've been getting the Avastin. My blood pressure never went up, except a tiny bit this week. I think I was more fatigued during the Avastin weeks.

    The Oncologist I see at MSK said, basically, "Avastin works to prolong the time metestatic patients go without the disease progressing". I think that is where the evidence is, and we hope we can show new evidence in this study (and in the Beatrice study) that indicates it helps prevent the cancer from returning in early stage BC. I hope its really, really effective. 

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2010

    Dear MityMuffin,

    I hope so too. 

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited October 2010

    I get unblinded this week.  I am anxious to see whether I am getting the drug or not.  I will keep you posted.

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited October 2010

    Ok so I was in the Arm B and getting the Avistan.  I had my last round of it yesterday.  I was glad to know I actually got the drug.  Any additional weapons they can give me to kill this beast in me is a good thing! 

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2010

    Dear Jackie,

    Good to hear from you. I hope this weapon is useful too. I got 4 doses.

  • Lawleigh
    Lawleigh Member Posts: 56
    edited November 2010

    Hi ladies,

    I have not posted yet as I just found this forum as I was doing some research on this clinical trial and learning that a lot of people find the benefits don't outweigh the risks so of course it makes you question things.  However, I suppose like any trial it is always going to be highly controversial.  I have my appt tomorrow to sign the consent forms and then start treatment the 9th.  Anyone else out there going through this trial right now?

    Leigh

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited November 2010

    Best of luck Leigh!  I was in the trial and finished up August 2009 and am doing well!!  Hugs

  • cd1234
    cd1234 Member Posts: 169
    edited November 2010

    I also finished the trial in August of 2009. I was in Arm B, so I recieved 8 rounds of Avastin. Knowing what I know now about Avastin, I would do it again.

    Take care!

  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited December 2010

    Hi Leigh,

    I have zero regrets about doing this study. I just felt like I had to throw everything there was at it. I only got five out of eight Avastin treatments because it did make my blood pressure high, but I would do it all again. I had my last Avastin in July 2009 I think (last chemo 10/2009). I'm doing very well.

    Good luck to you. 

    And hi Kari!! How the heck are you, girl? I think of you often!!  

       

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited December 2010
    Hi Mary!  Doing well, are on Facebook??  I see my onc on Dec 16th, 4 month checkup.  Last visit in August she stretched my next appt out to 4 months.  How about you?  I think of you too Smile
  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited December 2010

    Hi Kari!

    I'm doing well. I am finally beginning to feel like my old self again. I go to my onc on 12/21 for another Zometa infusion. I go every 3 months now for Zometa, but other than that...doing great! So glad that you are doing so well too!!!!

    I am on Facebook. My name there is Mary Snyder Jackson. Send me a friend request! And anybody else who wants to also.

    Hugs girl!!  

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