Chemo June 2010
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Hi ladies
I've been out of commission for a while and I missed hearing how things were going with y'all. I have had such a tough time with SEs. It's been 3 weeks since my last chemo and it's awful. The onc says it's 'cause chemo is cumulative and "only" 2 weeks more of this. The bone pain is not as bad as it was, the mouth sores are getting better, the weakness and neuropathy are severe and the twitchy watery eyes are constant. I have been reading about the girls who have been getting out with friends and attending events. I am envious. I can't wait for this to be done. I've been too sick to celebrate the end of chemo, but I am looking forward to it.
I have difficulty standing or walking for more than a couple of minutes. The pelvis pain is intense. Anyone else get this?
Met with a PS last week in Toronto. He does TRAM flap reconstruction. The hospital he works out of (Women's College Hospital) has recently switched to a process called ambulatory care. The PS says there is no overnight stay for mastectomy and TRAM flap reconstruction. Out you go, but since I don't live in the area, I would be expected to stay at a nearby hotel for 5-7 days until the drains come out and everything is stable. Is it just me, or does this sound barbaric? Hubby certainly doesn't have any medical background to tend to me, though the PS says they can arrange for in-home nursing... in a hotel!!! The idea of shuffling across a hotel lobby in downtown Toronto just doesn't sit well with me. I am going to meet with a DIEP flap specialist next - and hopefully at a hospital that still believes in a hospital stay for surgery. It sounds like major stuff.
This weekend is Canadian Thanksgiving. The whole family will be home!!! My at-home kids are making the dinner - a 9 kg turkey. Should be interesting.
Congrats to all you ladies who are free of chemo. I am praying for strength and good health for you.
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Oh what a talkative bunch we are!. I'm trying to catch up with all the posts, sorry if I forget some.
Bon- What a great photo op! Girls flyin' down the road in a convertible, top down wind blowing, letting the WIGS blow off revealing real hair with wind blowing thorugh it! Thelma and Louise have nothing on us! Rest up. Hope the weekend off helps with the fatigue.
latte- I don't know what your doctors are saying, but smaller sound GOOD to me. Shrinking tumors have to be a good thing, no?
JFV- So sorry about your MIL, praying things go well. I have NO idea about the rules with kids driving in the city. As my son is only 12, I'm just going to kick that can down the road for a while!
cheyenna- You sound GREAT! Dont over do too much. Your body is still recuperating.
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Day one after chemo - not too bad. Not much of an appetite and only slight nausea which Zofran helped. I'm going to take another Phenergan tonight. That seemed to really help last night. I took a Claritin this morning and I didn't realize you had to take one for two or three days after the shot. I think last time I only took it one day. Maybe that was the problem! I'm still drinking okay but it is getting harder and harder to find something palatable to drink and I've tried everything with every gimmick.
I am excited that we are getting to take our trip next weekend to Texas. I'm hoping this new medication regimen will keep the SE's away long enough for us to enjoy the trip.
Sleep well my beautiful friends. I left my cell phone at work today and I feel lost without it. So, that's why I'm here tonight!
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Well, Taxol #8 is in the books. I made out well except the ole veins are struggling a bit. They are tired! Took two sticks to find one that would "play". I was too tired to go over the Volley for the Cure last night. My girlfriends daughter was playing in honor of me. I would love to have gone but just too tired. Of course I was wide awake at 4 am - too bad they weren't playing then.
Hope you all have a fabulous day!
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Sherry and grneyd5600...congrats on another chemo round done! Hope you have a SE free weekend.
And NorthernGirl...so sorry you are having a bad time of it.And the whole hospital, hotel shuffle sounds simply too complicated for me to fathom. I sure hope you can work it out so that you're comfortable. And hope you enjoy your weekend with family and get lots of nutritious turkey...Happy Thanksgiving to all of our Canadian friends.
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sherry-Oh I hope you continue to weather the chemo well! Push those fluids. If things taste yucky, try popcicles, watermelon anything with liquid. Hope you have a great time in Texas.
grneyed- One more down. Yeah, I have done that vein dance way too often. Be sure to hydrate a few days BEFORE chemo. A chemo friend who had terrible veins said it really helped to put warm compresses on before looking for a vein. I just talked to my veins begging them to hold up a little longer and promising I would give them a long, well-deserved rest soon!
I love Thanksgiving. It's probably my very favorite family holiday. As my DH and son are dual Canadian/Americans , I get to celebrate it twice a year! Enjoy!
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Is anyone else ready for Breast Cancer Awareness month to be over already? It's only October 8th and I am really tired of having cancer shoved in my face. Today i was offered breast cancer stamps 'no thanks, I'll take The Simpsons' and the opportunity to donate when paying for my groceries, 'no thanks, I already donated my hair'. I do not need my cancer awareness raised, I'm trying to forget about it! Bah, humbug, just call me grumpy.
Julia
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Hello ladies... just stopping by... going in for treatment #2 of AC,. Man I do not like these. Sooo tired all the time...
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Julia, lol i so agree!!! your funny, i have donated hair, boobs,sanity,time with my kids, and i dont know how much blood, im praying on not having to donate a finger nail or two as well, all this and most of the time my questions to ONC are answered with a "we just dont know" lol, yeah, im not into pink this month!!! next year, oh did i tell you on my birthday everything was PINK, or a new breast cancer book.... lol...im thinking a fun Halloween party for October...
Orange is a good color,
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I am also tired of the whole pink thing, although I know it is doing a lot to raise money to help deal with this awful disease we are experiencing. Chey - I agree - a nice fun orangy Halloween.
Hey all you North Carolina girls - I am down here in Hilton Head for the week and loving it. What a beautiful place. I was worried about the flight - I have been getting lots of nosebleeds - but none until I got to my hotel on Friday in Savannah. This is my first glimpse at the ocean in more than a year. I had my 7th taxol on Friday AM and then we drove right to the airport for our flight. Keeping my fingers crossed that my SE's don't get too much worse, although I am losing the feeling in my big toe.
I will be meeting with the Radiologist when I return to decide the course of that treatment. Will probably start sometime in December and continue into January. YUCK - Then my herceptin will continue until sometime next summer. So I will be on here for a long time.
Thanks for all of you that are hanging in with us late finishers, and congrats to all of you who are finishing up now.
I notice that everyone is talking about steroids in the TX - I am on the weekly taxol and getting no steriods. Is that true for anyone else?
I will think of you all as I sit on the beach this week - slathered in sunscreen - wide brimmed hats and under a large umbrella - damn chemo!
Liz
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Sooo.... I went camping this weekend (RV camping). My DH and I rode around in our RZR (an ATV that's kind of like a small jeep). It was fun, but I am super tired. We had a tire blowout on our RV, but managed to get off the freeway and DH changed the tire. What a way to end our trip.
I decided to take my nail polish off and repaint my nails (yes, while camping). Ok, my nails look awful! I knew my thumb nails were dark underneath (I wear a transluscent pink color), but OMG... they were peeling and hurt really bad when I took the polish off. Once I got them repainted, I decided I'm leaving the polish on as long as I can. Ughhh.... I really don't want to lose any nails!!!
My middle toes are also getting more numb. I am wearing flat shoes as much as possible (I think heels make it worse). And I ache all over, but esp in the legs and hips! Every night I get nose bleeds (on both sides of my nose). Yuck! I am still getting hot flashes, but my friend told me to ask our onco about a med to help with the hot flashes.
BUT... I have to say that Taxol is still easier than AC (even with all the odd symptoms). 3 more treatments left! Yipeee!!! If I end chemo on time (Oct 27th), I will start radiation as early as Nov 17th. We will see!
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Hey Kittycat - we have lots of the same S/E's. They suck but I agree are much better than A/C. I would not have been able to take this trip on the A/C. My nails are still OK but you are a bit ahead of me with the taxol. The nosebleeds are annoying - they come on with no warning and yes - it's as if my nostrils take turns...Hopefully they won't both decide to turn on at once...
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This is only the second time in a month I've had a chance to get on this board, Going back to work and having the kids back at school and activities have worn me out!!
Going today for my rads simulation. What better way to spend a day off from work?? Really not looking forward to this. It hasn't even been 2 weeks since my final chemo. Feel like there is no end to this! I know rads are supposed to be "easier" than chemo but having anxiety over it. Don't like the stats that there is a 5% chance of heart damage. I guess its lower than the recurrence rate chance if I didn't do this. And the permanent tattoos, even though they will only be dots, are mentally bothering me. Feel like I'm being branded for life.
Go back to my regular onc. next week to discuss Tamoxifen. He says the American Cancer Society is changing the recommendations on Tamoxifen. If you are at least 1% estrogen positive they think you should take it. I'm more then 1% but not enough to technically be considered positive. Am considered triple negative, so I thought I would be done after rads. Now I have to think about 5 years of this drug.
Congrats to all that have finished chemo!!! -Donna
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lizzyanne- Oh enjoy the beach. Breathe in some of that sea air for ALL of us. About all that sunblock. You might want to catch a few late afternoon rays without it. My vitamin D level is FLAT after chemo. It seems many of us are vitamin D deficient (which can contribute to cancer), too much sunblock!
workmother- Just take one step at a time. I know how you feel thinking this "journey" feels like it will never end. I had my simulation and got those tiny freckle tattoos. I can't even find them, they are so tiny....hope they can!
kittycat- sorry about the nails. Maybe try the Revlon "post trauma nail treatment"? I really like it. It is very thin and doesn't chip at all, lasts forever.
Does anyone else have incredibly sensitive, irritated eyes? Mine look bloodshot all the time, and water. I thought after finishing chemo this would stop. Or is it allergies that I was never bothered by before?
And like many of you, I think this pink October thing is getting old. I feel like everyone and their Uncle stamps a pink BC logo on any product, to be a part of it. I wonder how much of the donations truly go to BC. Jeez, I saw the logo on toilet paper!!!
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Tmarina, Kittycat, Mimi- thanks for your advice about the steroids. I spoke with my onc and they are going to reduce the dose. They may even try a different steroid (I will figure this out tomorrow). Hopefully, it will work out better - at least now i know that the decadron contributed to my brain brakedown which happened with the first chemo so I am feeling positive about sorting it out better this next time. I really appreciate your support and will keep you posted!
Here is my daily wish for a s/e free day for everybody! best, Beau
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Hi All,
- Happy Thanksgiving as it is here in Canada. I will always remember this year as my daughter was home from university and I spent three days in bed after my Docetaxol on Oct 5. I found Docetaxol hard.This Sunday I thought hell she is having turkey so I hauled my butt up and made turkey and have been up ever since.
- I am so glad to be done chemo. I now either have surgery or radiation depending on if I have a DEIP or alloderm. If I want both sides removed I cannot do the DEIP.
- I cannot believe we have all made this chemo journey and I think for many of us it needed to come to an end. My body was wearing and I found myself more tired and fatigued with each treatment. The 2 weeks in the hospital with the febrile neutropenia and then constipation were scary. Now that I am done chemo my advice would be to be strong and never let yourself get down cause you might not get up. There is a light at the end of the tunnel for all of us.
Workmother - I think that is good news to be able to use Tamoxifen. It is better to be ER positive as there are more weapons in the arsenol and Tamoxifen is one of them. In fact if you are ER positive Tamoxifen will reduce the risk of spread to the other breast by at least half. I know it gives hot flashes excetra but if it reduces risk of spread with ER positive people that is good. No one likes to take meds but if it can help fight the beast then be glad you can use it.
Take care,
Trusting
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Yahoo!! Last chemo today. Now on to radiation...
What have your doctors said about the optimum time between chemo and radiation? Any thoughts or comments?
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Hi Northern Girl,
Go DEIP if you can ... no muscle used and is considered a gold standard for breast reconstruction if you have the spare tissue.
I must share with you that I have found the Docetaxol hell too. Extreme fatigue and 2 weeks in the hospital. Thank God the hospital here had an oncology unit that was AMAZING and in a brand new hospital.They are funded for 5 beds and usually have 10. The unit is for people who are struggling with their chemo and have bad SE. They saved my life and helped me make it through these 3 Docetaxols. How I wish you had a unit like that to have helped you. I had bad thrush and sore mouth too. They gave me something they call Fraser Valley mouth wash or the BC cancer clinic calls it Magic mouth wash. It is a steroid, Benadryl and nystatin all mixed together and it fixed my mouth up twice. You swish and swallow. The pharmacists mix it. I wonder if you could get some. Your journey is similar and now on to decide one side or two. Hard decision. Take care Northern Girl.
Trusting
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Hi Mimi9186,
Congrats to you too!!! Docetaxol was hard and am glad we are both done with it!!
Take care,
Trusting
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Hi Ladies: Nearly 4 weeks post -chemo, I still have numb toes but my onc gave me neurontin (sp) last week - hoping that will help.
Lizzyanne - I got steroids with my 1st two Taxol treatment but not the last two. It's pretty common - they give it to cut down on the SEs,but if you are doing okay without steroids, you're probably just as well off - because they have their own SEs!
Hope everyone has a good week!
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Workmother--good to hear from you!
mitymuffin--CONGRATS on the last chemo!! My rad onc said I could starts rads 2 to 3 weeks after chemo. I have the sim next week, then will start the following week, so it will be 3 weeks after chemo when I actually start.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians!
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Best Wishes to all who are done with chemo! What a relief.
I got the same advice as tmarina and had a 3 week break between chemo and rads.
Had my second rad today. No big deal physically. Emotionally I'm spent. Not totally sure what all is bothering me. I think I'm just tired out from being tired out.
My MIL still in hospital with no progress. She is refusing physical therapy and can't get up out of bed. She has a skin infection. They want to clear that up before she has the angiogram. She now has a port because her arms and legs were getting so beat up from blood draws and insulin shots.
A friend is coming and we will go for a walk. I am sure that will help me.
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Hey ladies, wow I don't know where to begin.. so many posts.. I am 3 weeks 8 days from last treatment.. feeling better. the toes and fingers still feel funny.. Appetite is coming back I gained 2 lbs in one week.. Whaoooo.. today is my birthday so not only am I done with treatment but so far cancer free and life has a whole new meaning.. I hope I am finding my new normal..
congratulations to all of you that have finished and those that are finishing.. I know it is hard but you can do it..
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Happy Birthday VickyThomas! I hope you have been able to do something fun and relaxing today. I keep you in my prayers.
JFV - sorry to hear about MIL. Hang in there! I am sure all that is not helping you emotionally. That may be the answer to wearing you out. Hopefully the walk helps. Keep your chin up!
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Happy Birthday Vicky !! and congratulations to all those who finished chemo, yay!!
love and streght to all who are still on their way,
Daniela
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hi everyone, glad to hear things are getting better for most of us. In fact, when I saw my BS last night and he asked how chemo is going (2 taxol tx left to do) i said that compared to AC,m it's fine and i could do more tx if they thought it would help!
i'm now trying to decide what to do about surgery. I have to do rads no matter what i choose for surgery. I always thought i wanted to have a BMX because I am BRCA1+ (either with delayed or immediate recon), but last night met with BS and PS (separately). BS wants to do a lumpectomy and he wants to try to leave the nipple intact (if there are clear margins, if not then he will need to do another surgery to remove nipple too). He thinks that apart from the possible loss of nipple, my breast will look fine after the lumpectomy, and i can do nipple recon later if i want. PS doesn't think the lumpectomy will leave acceptable results, and is pushing for a BMX. He also said that he doesn't recommend a BMX with delayed recon, because it will be harder for him/me, but instead recommends to do the lumpectomy now and delay the BMX and do it with the recon when I am ready.
I just don't know what to do, especially because I have the added BRCA risk too. Lumpectomy seems to be the easiest option for now (easiest recovery, and same survival chance as uni mx), but BMX seems to be the preferred choice for the long term. (2 oncs have both told me that BMX won't increase my life expectancy, because my biggest threat is current cancer moving to stage iV, not a new cancer because of BRCA - so they both recommend holding off on the BMX and recon so I can decide in my own time and under stress because of cancer).
I also need to check whether my insurance will cover delayed BMX+recon because at that point it will be prophylactic instead (hopefully).
I need to decide within the next week. AAAAARGH. any ideas?
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All you intrepid travelers! How nice that you can get away for a few days and have some fun! And for those of you at home finishing up your chemo...it will be over soon...and we'll all be done with chemo! Hooray!
VickyThomas...Happy Birthday! Hope you get to have your favorite things surrounding by your favorite people.
Latte...what a decision you have to deal with! It's nice that you have a choice but then again, it really does cause you more stress. I am humbled when I read what the women who have had MX and RECONX go through. Maybe there is a board on this website that deals with 'either/or' questions or you could start one. Seems like its a mighty big decision because the preparation, surgeries, and recovery are so involved. We'll all be pulling for you whatever you decide.
Today I missed a rads tx. Last week the tech told me I would have to change my appointment time from 10:15 today to 1:30 to accommodate the RO schedule and for them to do whatever extra measurements were necessary for the 7 boosts. Those don't start until after #26 and today would have been #16. So I rearranged my clients and got myself to the rads center (40 minute drive each way) by 1:25 only to be told I was early.When I said "only 5 minutes", they told me that my appointment wasn't until 2:15. I hadn't slept well, am more tired than I have ever been, was showing property this morning from 9-12:15 and made the mad dash down there and just couldn't deal with THEIR error. So I flipped out! I said that I didn't feel well enough to wait 45 minutes for a procedure that would take 45 minutes and I would just forget about a tx today. I saw the RO right away, he said my skin is fine and just keep using the aloe, go rest and see you later, bye. SOOOO, I'll have to add a day on at the end and now won't be done until November 5th. But I just couldn't deal with being kept waiting...I don't dare be 5 minutes late there and then they wanted me to wait 45 minutes? No way. Guess I'm just over being a patient patient. Am going to bed early. Tomorrow is another day.
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for everyone who has been travelling, and those who haven't - I have a sad/funny travel story - A chemo buddy finished chemo 4 weeks before me, and went on a 7 day cruise with her family and friends to celebrate. I spoke to her today for the first time since she got back, and found out that they all had an awful time because her mother broke her leg on the first day of the cruise, they spent the entire cruise in the room looking after her, she had to have an op on her leg when they got back, and now - the worst part - she is staying home on sick leave for 2 months and my chemo buddy will be staying home with her (she still needs to have breast surgery and rads) and she's not happy about this at all. So I guess - whenever we think things can't get worse, they actually can :-)
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thanks Bon for the input - i've been doing lots of reading and posting on these forums, and also looking on the picture forum, but at the end of the day everyone is different and it's just hard to make a decision, especially under pressure. Sorry to hear about your rads mess up! How is your mom doing?
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Latte...I do not envy your need to make a decision. I know you'll research it thoroughly and will do what's best. Just know that I care. We all care.
Thank you so much for asking about my Mom. She is finally taking that turn for the better...yesterday was her 89th Birthday and she actually was conversant and engaged in conversation about things other than her illness for the first time in many, many weeks. It's nice to have her back! Am hoping that she improves day by day and gets back to normal at some point. Here I am, unable to lose weight, and she is down to 91.5 lbs. When I give her a hug I'm afraid I'll snap her in half!
My rads thing will be fine. I just didn't have the patience to be pushed around today. Some days I'm a marshmallow. Today I was a nougat...hard and nutty!
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