Falling Apart Today - Need some positive outlook

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heathermcd
heathermcd Member Posts: 142

I've been pretty hopeful about my breast cancer diagnoses until seeing the Lifetime Movie last night about the invention of Herceptin. I don't think I realized until now that the HER2 mutatation is so aggressive. My oncologist told me that Herceptin is a miracle drug, but the more I read the more scared I am about not being ok. I have such hope to be a long term survivor, but fear that HER2 breast cancer survivors are simply waiting on a reoccurance. I was just diagnosed at age 27, completed surgery and have had one round of TCH. PLEASE, I would love to hear any positive outlook on being HER2+ and would love to hear from some long term survivors! Tell me there is hope!

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  • flash
    flash Member Posts: 1,685
    edited October 2010

    you need to remember one thing, it was a movie.  Movies do take a poetic license.  Yes Her2 is agressive if its untreated. But, remember you are treating it and your doc is right, Herceptin is a miracle drug.  So take heart, things are nothing like 5 years ago and most statistics are reallllllllly old.  It's a very different cancer world out there and you are doing all the standard things to put you in with the survivors.  good luck

  • GabzMom
    GabzMom Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2010

    It's still early on for me too.  But I am happy Herceptin is out there and have read posts by ladies given herceptin for lots of years and doing great.  I won the battle today :)

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited October 2010

    Im not a long term survivor, but i am almost 2 1/2 years out!  Herceptin is our miracle drug :)

    Laura

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited October 2010

    Heather, I was recently diagnosed July and have completed 3 chemos so far with 2 herceptins in between.  I too, have the same fear you have but.....I am having chemo before my surgery.  By my exam the oncologust says my tumor has had a total response to the treatment.  He is not able to detect anything but scar tissue.  I tell myself that if it shrunk the tumor , then its getting anything that might have left the barn. 

  • heathermcd
    heathermcd Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2010
    Thanks ladies....the people on these boards are really amazing! This is going to be a long hard journey, but i'm dedicated to celebrating my next 60 birthdays! I just need to stop reading into all the possiblities and be happy that i'm currently cancer-free (as far as I know) and treating! Wink
  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2010

    Most of the info online regarding HER2 is old. Herceptin has only be out of clinical trials for a few years! That means that even though they had Herceptin 10 years ago they didn't know how to administer it. Now they do. But finding long time survivors might be harder since the drug hasn't been used (except in clinical trials) for a long period of time.

    I too thought this was a death sentence when first diagnosed because of all the old crap that is posted online. You keep reading "poorer prognosis" without any explaination. Although it puts us at  more risk it is no where near what is was before Herceptin.

    Also remember they are finding new drugs all the time. In 10 years we might have a vaccine. Who knows.

    Hang in there. We will make it.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2010

    Heather....At 2005 when I first was DX a month later FDA approved Herceptin for early stage BC patients. They called it a miracle drug. And I got the Herceptin with Taxol or whatever chemo your DR is treating you with.

    After 5 years and 6 months still going strong.

    Good Luck

    We are here for you.

    Sheila♥

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited October 2010

     I ran the stats for you in Adjuvent.   For a woman  of 27, ER+, HER2+ with a 4 cm tumor, grade II, if you did no treatment - no chemo, no herceptin and no tamox:

    41 out of 100 women are alive in 10 years

    58 out of 100 women die due to breast cancer

    1 out of 100 women die of other causes

    So, you can see, even if you did nothing, you still might be fine.  With chemo and herceptin, your odds go way, way up. 

     That movie was about the making of herceptin - which was tested on women who already had metastatic cancer.  Those women were stage IV to start.  They were going to die but didn't because of herceptin.  You are not stage IV and you have the same chance as any other stage II woman of living a long, normal life.

    I'll finish my last herceptin in December.  Can't wait!  

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited October 2010

    Cool Breeze,

    Very well stated.  All of us HER2 peeps needed that!! I felt as though I was getting a cyber kick in the behind:)You know those are occasionally needed:Congrats on finishing your Herceptin.  I have a ways to go.  I'm just counting down the chemos.As I tell people at work, I don't like the chemo, but the alternative ain't pretty.Beth

  • RebzAmy
    RebzAmy Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2010

    Hi all

    I was diagnosed June 2007 with grade 3, IDC and had chemo first followed by herceptin, mastectomy, rads and continued with herceptin until Nov 2008. It's not over 3 years since diagnosis. I was strongly HER2~+++. Just has mastectomy and reconstruction of unaffected side.

    xx

  • jembs
    jembs Member Posts: 194
    edited October 2010

    I had my 5 year anniversary - my first surgery, which is when I believe I became cancer free and so that is the date I count from.  My Her2 status was positive on my biopsy, negative on the tumor.  They kept testing, and eventually settled on the fact that I was HER2 + and very much so...the tests that came back positive were off the map.  I didn't want to have to do a year of herceptin and so asked for dna tests...when the dna confirmed that all the samples were mine, I bellied up to the bar.  It was a rocky year but we got through that one as well and I am so gratefull now that I received it.  It is not great to be HER 2 positive, but boy oh boy it is way better now that there is a treatment for it.  So hang in there.  This whole process stinks and the fear is one of the hardest things or has been for me.  Herceptin is one of the few things that has helped with the fear.

  • PiscesMoon
    PiscesMoon Member Posts: 206
    edited October 2010

    i tried to use that adjuvent site but it said that it was for medical professionals...

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited October 2010

    I'm five years out from surgery now and nearly four years out from my last Herceptin infusion. When I get night terrors about a recurrence, I comfort myself with the knowledge that there is another new drug, Tykerb, that is effective against her2neu, and another coming down the pike--T-DM1--that looks promising. I don't want to go through treatment again, but it's comforting to know that if I have to, herceptin wasn't my last chance. 

  • KitCat1
    KitCat1 Member Posts: 53
    edited October 2010

    Hi all. I just finished TCH.. I start radiation in two weeks. it si so discouraging hearing and reading all the poor prognosis for Her2. I try to stay positive. I have twin boys age 9 and I plan to see them grow up! I think hercepton is a wonder drug. My onc does not give out statistics because she says they are all individual. Does anyone have a similar diagnosis to mine? If so, please give some positive words. I am new to here. Thank-you ladies!

  • heathermcd
    heathermcd Member Posts: 142
    edited October 2010

    I just wanted to share that after seeking something that would give me the hope I needed, my husband and I looked into some academic research. What we are finding is that with Herceptin the treatment for early stage breast cancer may actually be better than the treatment available to women without the HER2 mutation. Additionally, my husband was able to find some research that indicated the survival rates of women with HER2 are almost the equivalent of women without the mutation because of the targeted treatments available for HER2 women. This is absolutely survivable ladies!

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2010

    I am currently being treated for Her2+ breast cancer with estrogen and progesterone - markers.  My surgeon and oncologist both have told me that it is actually becoming better to BE her2+ because of herceptin. Though it is more aggressive, this new drug works soooo well that this becoming the case.  This made me feel better.  I also have young children.  An 8 year old and a 5 year old.  I really want to see them grow up.  I had 4 of 15 nodes test positive and my largest tumor was 1.6cm.  Yes, that shows you how aggressive this cancer can be to go to four nodes from a relatively small tumor.  I can't figure out how to get my diagnosis to show on the bottom!  I have tried numerous times!  I just finished my first TCH treatement and am on day 11.  I have had no side effects other than no taste buds.  I am not tired, have had no hair loss, no nausea and no vomiting. Hope it's working!  I keep dreaming that the hair is falling out and I even got it cut really short anticipating the hair loss but I am still waiting, waiting, waiting. I am feeling pretty good at the moment.  Would love to hear from other moms with young kids and how you are coping.  I am getting a lot of support from friends and family.  A friend set up an area for me on a lots of helping hands web site and I have friends making dinner for the first week of chemo.  I had no idea what to expect.  My husband is holding up ok but tends to be stressed out a lot. My kids are CRAZY nutcases. I am holding up pretty well but I am scared.  As herceptin has only been around for about five years and possibly less in terms of treatment (not clinical trial), I think you are not going to see as many long term survivors yet.  I have heard that five years ago hearing this diagnosis would have been much more dire. We all have a lot to be thank-ful for as we are benefiting from what others may not have had.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2010

    Oh, also I am 44!  First mammogram!!!! What a SUUUUUUURPPPPRISE for me!

  • amlg1
    amlg1 Member Posts: 596
    edited October 2010

    Kathleen1966...to show diagnosis go to my home and then go to diagnosis,and just fill in the questions.Good Luck! Thank God for herceptin !

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited October 2010
    heathermcd I have heard similar positive things about treating early stage with herceptin has amazing results too. I don't know if we have better stats but pretty close to the same as those without. And if you read what HER2+ meant before Herceptin that is a huge, huge jump in positive prognosis… HUGE!
  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited October 2010

    Hi ladies

    I was dxed stage 1 2 1/2 years ago. I have a top Onc here in AZ but also am in the trial for Zometa. My Onc that runs the trial is a genius and is called upon by ONCS all over the country to consult on treatment.

    His exact words. "Early Stage Her 2 has the best odds in bc these days and an excellent prognosis". You will see that the longer you are here, the Her2 is the least active thread as Herceptin has been so powerful and now ladies are out living their lives. 

    Go back aways and reread through posts from last year and you will see many positive posts.

    I know 2 ladies on original trial 8 years out and they were stage 3. 

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2010

    Glad to hear 8 years, as a IIIa stager due to one extra peskly lymph node (four instead of 3)!  Otherwise, I would have been IIA!!!!

  • Pia
    Pia Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2010

    I would like to hear a positive story from anyone too with HER+++; it was a scary thing. When reoccur, the cancer will spread quickly. Being my tumor is small 0.3cm, my Oncology did not recommend to take Herceptine due to the side effect and being the tumor so small. I had masectomy and local radiation. The don't have study dealing with smaller cancer. Any of you ladies that have similar prognosis.

  • blondie45
    blondie45 Member Posts: 580
    edited October 2010

    Thanks for all the positive words about herceptin, I sure hope it works just as well to get 6 months as it does a full year as I only got 6 months because of lowering of my ejection fraction.

  • Boo307
    Boo307 Member Posts: 222
    edited October 2010

    This is such a helpful discussion.  I was consumed by fear that my cancer would return.  After many, many long walks I finally came to terms with my situation.  My life plan A is that the cancer doesn't return and I keep doing the things I love to do.  Or plan B happens and I begin to pursue the most current treatment for a chronic disease called metastatic breast cancer.  When I thought about what I might wish I had done in the event plan B happens, I really couldn't think of anything. 

    Cancer has caused to me to think about what is most important to me and I have rearranged my priorities.  Best wishes to all of you in your quest to come to terms with your situation.

    Boo

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited October 2010

    For the lady who said Adjuvent is only for medical professionals - it's not true.  It's software on the web and free for everybody to us.  You have to register but they don't ask you if you are a doctor. There are tons of us women who have used it on this board.

     Here is the version that includes herceptin.  They still don't have the typical TCH in it though.

    https://www.newadjuvant.com/

    Kathleen, my hair fell out on Day 21 (I think).  It happens all at once.  It gets kind of dry and dirty looking first and then you see some hairs come out and in two days it just comes out in huge clumps everywhere.  There is a video on my blog of me combing it out if you want to see.  The day after that video I went to my stylist and buzzed it because it's SOOOOOO messy!!  Hair everywhere!

    I did six rounds and never had a second's nausea.  I did get really tired towards the end though, but I still chaperoned my kids field trip and did everything I needed to do. (Including go to work). The housework and cooking kind of slid but the important stuff happened.  My oncologists office is on the 2nd floor and I walked up the stairs all the time.  the last few rounds walking up the flight was a struggle but I did it.  I recovered very quickly too - it was only two weeks before I started feeling normal.

    Then they put me on tamox and that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish!  But, worry about that when and if you get there.  

    I do feel like we are lucky to get herceptin and Dennis Slamon is my hero.  All of us have many, many years to bitch at our husbands and  shop.  LOL.  :)

  • lisasinglem
    lisasinglem Member Posts: 315
    edited October 2010

    I saw the movie too, and it made me just very grateful to Dr. Slamon.  I feel like he is saving my life right now (and as I watched the movie, I liked to think that Harry Connick Jr. was saving my life right now, but that is another topic.)

    I am about to go in for treatment no. 4 of TCH.  I am having quite a few side effects, but it is temporary and I will survive it.  I don't know that I would survive without it - especially the Herceptin.

  • zlota
    zlota Member Posts: 76
    edited October 2010

    Hi

    I just saw that movie and I'm crying. I had mx on left side last week so still in pain. So far ( from biopsy) I know my tumor is Her +, that is so scary I'm 30 and have 2 little ones that I want to see grow up. I'm so scared right now, right after surgery I was told my nodes are negative but still waiting for final pathology, Her+ seems so agressive.... I don't know what to think, please help 

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited October 2010

    Zlota, HER women have such a MUCH BETTER outlook with Herceptin. Many oncs say that HER+ is better than the old standard ER/PR+ HER- folks. Big (((HUGS))) for you. You are in great shape!

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited October 2010

    Lisasinglem

    LOL LOL 

  • PiscesMoon
    PiscesMoon Member Posts: 206
    edited October 2010

    hi coolbreeze..i was referring to the agreement button (or whatever you call it) on the website that said 'i am a medical professional'.  then of course the questions they ask you when you sign up, like what kind of dr you are, etc.  LOL  Wink   i'll have to head over and sign up for it.  Thanks for the clarification!

    ~M

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