An Apology with a Twist....

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Lowrider54
Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721

I am not a know-it-all.  I clearly state that it is my personal experience and that everyone is different.  I offer what has helped me.  I try to ease fears, not create them.  While it is my very personal experience I share - if there is anything to be gained from it - take it, use it, make it count - if just one of you fighting this beast gains something, then it is worth the 'typing through the tears'. 

Every good intention can, at times, have unexpected and mixed results.  I have truly attempted to raise 'awareness' with the upcoming 'Pink Parade' of which I am so fond...NOT!.  But it is Breast Cancer Awareness Month and laying myself out there - yes, my 'personal' experience - has led to being berated for instilling fear into those early stagers that are fearful enough already - for that, I sincerely apologize as that was not my intent.  It was meant as an informative and 'be viligant' message to EVERYONE that encounters this beastly thing - at whatever stage.  Yes, gals, it can be erradicated at an early stage and you may never encounter the beast again.  Bless you if you can.  I applaud your bravery and respect your fears and I was in no way trying to 'frighten' you into thinking there will be a 'black cloud' hanging over your head for life.  The best message is to just be viligant - there is a trial taking place right now concerning the benefit of a breast ultra-sound either in addition to or in place of a mamogram for its ability to detect anomalies in dense breast tissue that a mamogram cannot.  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/107356.php

The twist to this apology is the on-going issue of posting to appropriate stages.  Newcomers are terrified and are desperately searching for some way to ease their fears - they don't know the forum and are just seeking help and support and information - they learn, as I did when I was 'new' only a year ago, that sometimes a little respect goes a long way but respect is not what anyone is thinking about when hearing those words 'you have breast cancer'.  At that point, you don't know the stage, you know nothing about anything other than OMG and your world is up side down.  Once settling into the dx and treatment and options - understanding the different issues encountered at different stages, the posts become more relevant.  However, we have stage iv - while we invite your well wishes, your support, your encouragement, your sympathies, your jokes, and other wonderful things you say to us - unless you are stage iv, there is no understanding of what it is like. 

Once again, I will set myself out there as an example - a 'personal' experience.  Some feel I don't belong posting on the lower stages as I don't understand - oh, I do, very well - been there, done that, moved on to stage iv.  This board is now 10 - my experience began 11 1/2 years ago - had this board been here, I would have been a stage II poster.  Here is an example of a post I might have made (in the past tense):

I remember all too well what it was like as a stage II - I can still taste the chemo everytime I walk into the treatment room for my infusions now.  I remember having wonderful D boobies and hair down to my ass. I remember playing, camping, running, watching and loving my then 8 year old who had to watch his mommy get sicker and sicker and sicker and had to learn to cook - I did all my cooking on my treatment day after (steriods still kicking) and made micro wave meals for the week so the little one could 'cook' dinner for us.  He did get pretty good with mac and cheese on the stove.  Friends came in and helped me with laundry and I worked the entire 8 months through it all.  And then it ended.  My brain didn't come back for a good 6 months.  My finances were in ruin.  I missed so much of my little boy's life - concerts, ball games, camping trips - but he hung in there and was my little rock.  And then the Tamoxifin - BTW, Arimidex does have a few more se's  but good golly, 43 and premature menapause due to chemo - ahhhhh, I thought I would lose my mind.  I had to cut my hair but for the luck of the draw, my treatment combo let me have a 30% shot at not losing my hair - it thinned but didn't all go - it did in other places...lol.  I feel very confident that I do understand the early stagers but I have to go through the story because I am a stage iv now and I am not supposed to get it I suppose. 

Here is the present - I got to see many more concerts, ball games and camping trips and had 10 plus wonderful years after my treatment ended with my son.  He is now 21 and a Marine and I couldn't be prouder.  I have been dx'd with bone mets and am now stage iv.  Although there is no expiration date stamped on my foot and with treatment, I may yet have a life, a forever changed life but life - for how long is unknown.  I have bone mets only - a blessing, in a way as my treatments are kinder than most of my metsisters.  Daily, I read about my new 'family' on the stage iv forum about not going to be able to see their children grow up.  I did, I was lucky to have that time and I so feel for my sisters - but, the difference with the stage iv group can be pointed out so clearly here - at stage II, although I lost time with my son, my treatment ended and I got to see him grow up.  Today - I face not seeing him be married, never being able to hold his children, my grandchildren, never knowing the wonderful woman he will choose as his wife, I may not see him finish his Marine Corp enlistment and see what he will become in life.  I won't be missing a part of his life as I did at stage II - I will be missing the rest of his life.  While I was sicker than a dog, I was still in his life - I now face that there won't be me for him to call when he has a problem, he won't have me to text to give him a wake up call, he won't have me to comfort him when something goes wrong, he won't have me to guide him, hug him, love him ever again.  All I can do now is always be there the best I can, put things together for him to remember me, write him letters that I will not send but he will get in a box when I am gone.  Things - all I have to leave him are things.  This is stage iv breast cancer - there is no way anyone but a fellow metsister can understand how this feels despite how compassionate one may be. 

While treatments may be similar and have similar se's - the reason for the treatments are so very different.  I am not going to go further, enough said.

I send cyber hugs in a big way to each and every one of you that has encountered this beastly thing, to every life it has touched and family member here for help to support your loved one. 

Now, can we get back to being the supportive, helpful, caring, loving, compassionate, wonderful, respectful group who is here to help each other in our collective fight against the common enemy - breast cancer? 

Group Hug?  LowRider

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  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited September 2010

    LowRider,

    I for one am an early stager who greatly appreciates the times you have answered my questions. I have never felt you were trying to belittle me with my fears and concerns.  I agree with you I want to be aware i could get the beast back at any time. In my case I have just been told by my team I can't continue chemo, so I am aware I must do all I can to prevent it's return using anything I can. I hope you will continue visiting all the forums and giving your advice.

    Karen

  • tkn4granted
    tkn4granted Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2010

    LowRider,

    Bravo for your words.  I don't need sympathies or good wishes.  Just need some honest good ole fashion truth.  you put the words right into my mouth and I couldn't say it better myself. 

  • lookingforward4more
    lookingforward4more Member Posts: 127
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider, your words are so powerful. I am stage 2 and recently had a scare and bone scan which was thankfully negative. My daughter was 9 when I was diagnosed, and had to see me endure six surgeries, chemo and radiation. It broke my heart, my life and my finances. She is 11 now and just seems old in ways that I don't want her to be! I prayed every day when I was in treatment that I could live to see her graduate high school, Every day, every birthday, I consider a gift and a blessing. Thank you for your very personal and thought provoking post, it meant a lot to me! Btw, my husband was a marine for 26 years! I had one child at Camp Lejuene, one in Okinawa, Japan and one at Cherry Point Air Station, NC. I LOVE the United States Marine Corps. Tell you son Semper Fi and THANK him for his heroic service to our country. God bless!!

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider - no need for an apology, your posts are always supportive and factual and very much appreciated.  You are an incredible source of information, having been there done that, and your personality shines through every post.   Thank you for your honesty and for being an inspiration to us stage I and II girls.

    Blessing and (((HUGS)))

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider .. I don't post as much these days ... but I do enjoy what you write.

    I'm looking for an update on your love life!

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited September 2010

    As usual I did stuff the wrong way and posted a response to you in the wrong forum (on Stage IV) ...my apologies!!!!

    uh...hope everyone's having a great day...Foot in mouth

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider - I hope that you will continue to help the newbies in their time of need and help the lower stage women as you have.  I am glad for this board - I had no idea that BC could come back and I could get mets when I was first diagnosed.  I learned that here on this board - not from my oncologist.  Yes, it is scary but I don't live in the land of Denile.  I would much rather know in advance that I could relapse than get slapped in the gut if or when it happens. 

    A cure would mean it would NEVER come back as far as I am concerned so I see myself as being  NED but thankfully because of posts like yours that I have read in the past I am more diligent as ever to watch myself, listen to my body, listen to my gut so to speak.  If I feel weird, instead of ignoring as I would have years ago - I will see my oncologist.  You just never know and that is probably the hardest thing for me - the no guarantees that we would so much love to have.

    No apology needed from you - I enjoy your posts - they are informative and direct.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider, fear can lead to cruelty - that is what makes it dangerous, and I am sorry that you have been hurt. FWIW, this early stager does not fear you, or your wisdom, opinions or research. 

    And also FWIW, I think the overemphasis made in this web site on whose forum you are posting on is shameful. Some division creates organization and clarity, both good, but we are SISTERS. Lets's start acting like that and less like "women" in the worst, most embarrassing sense of the word - nagging, yapping, gossiping and back stabbing. 

    If someone is scared of the truth or of a mere opinion, or even a falsehood he or she had better stay away from the internet. We are not these delicate little roses who can't look up information for ourselves if we have questions. We are adults and neither you, Lowrider, nor anyone else, is responsible for someone else's trembling. We are here to comfort, but also to speak and vent, not to hide.

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited September 2010

    Oh..lowrider..there is no need to apologize!   I think that alot of us are just SCARED out of our freaking minds...and sometimes we just want to read what we want to hear!  I'm guilty of that..but I have forced myself to realize that having it "cut out" doesn't necessarily mean it is gone.

    As far as whatever Stage we are..I have posted a couple times on Stage 4..Nanalinda was a TN..just like me...she has posted on the tn thread and I read every post...she was a friend to the other tn's...I miss her already.

     Although..I may be stage 1..being TN doesn't always give me a lot of confidence as far as a non reocurrence.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited September 2010

    Athena...you just sent me into a fit of giggles - and I noticed your comment - I too am glad to be rid of my former D cups...hello to perky little B cups and shirts that actually button again and my shoulders now love me...LOL

    Oh, and I wanted to thank all of you - I was overwhelmed - for the wonderful PM's - my goodness - it brought those kinda tears to my eyes that say - ok, it was worth it - and that we can truly see an end to this disease once and for all!  Ride On!  LowRider

  • bigdogmom2
    bigdogmom2 Member Posts: 40
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider, no need for apologies!  You said something on a DCIS post that touched me and helped me to get over a certain amount of "guilt" that I was feeling and I thank you for that.  I myself feel very appreciative that you and others post on the different threads, your posts have taught me, given me information and lead me to places to do my research.  Now that I have been touched by BC personally I feel an obligation to learn more about every stage.  It goes so much deeper than getting my friends to go for their mammograms, and you have educated me with your story and your informative posts.  Who better to learn from than those of you going through the fight.  You all are up to date on research, treatments and trials and where money should go.   My only hope is that I can do you all justice by educating others that breast cancer continues to take loving mothers, wife's, sisters, daughters and friends, from us and it will continue to do so until a cure is found.   I have to admit before I was diagnosed and came to this site I was naive and thought buying toilet paper with a pink ribbon on it was really contributing... ;0)

    So hopefully by you and through me something will be gained from it, I will take your words, use them, and make them count!  Anyhow, I just wanted to say thank you from 1 person you touched and hopefully I can thank you by educating others!

     Bless your heart :0)

    Cheryl

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited September 2010

    ((((Lowrider)))) - oh, those blouses that button up easily - that is the BEST feeling. I swear that shirts and most clothes are only made for A and B cup people. The rest have to burst out at the seams.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited September 2010

    Either burst out at the seams or shop at the strip club suppliers...

  • IsThisForReal
    IsThisForReal Member Posts: 384
    edited September 2010
    Lowrider, there is absolutely no need to apologize.  Everything that's been said in this thread I couldn't agree more with.  And thank you for sharing with us early stagers.  Grouphugggggggggggggggggg  Smile
  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2010

    I must agree with everyone here - I always look forward to your posts, and don't you dare stop posting here! As you said, you've been there, done that, and have just as much right to post here as any of us. Shrug off the folks who are upset that you knocked their rosy glasses askew - the ones upset can straighten those glasses back and go on, and those of us who want to know more can, too.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited September 2010

    Lowrider, you are so cool!

    Lizzie 

  • MTG
    MTG Member Posts: 646
    edited October 2010

    I'm on the Arimidex threads and I ALWAYS appreciate your input. On the one hand I'm dismayed to hear that you're getting so much negative feedback; on the other, I've been here long enough that it doesn't really surprise me. While most of us realize that a "Discussion Board" is just that, others, unexplainably, feel that anything but the party line is unwelcome. Having been attacked (although only mildly) and having come to the defense of others who've been attacked, I'm just left shaking my head.

    No apologies are necessary but I think it's lovely that you're offering them to those who just dont get the meaning of "discussion"

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited October 2010
    Lowrider, your posts are so helpful to us newbies. Please don't back off. we need your wisdom (and humor-you are a very funny chick). Wink
  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited October 2010

    LowRider - I agree with all that's been said - post away sister!  {{hugs}}

  • Laurie_R
    Laurie_R Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2013

    Lowrider, When I see that you have either started a thread or posted on a thread, thats where I go.  You always have great insight and information.  You Rock girl, keep up with the great posts.

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited October 2010

    Lowrider- You are my hero, honestly you have helped me so much in the past, When someone asks a question and i dont know it but will just offer hugs, i know you will be there eventually to give them the best answers, you always do and also answer question i might have but had not even asked it. You are a great inspiration to all of us, and shame on anyone who would say otherwise, If they dont want the truth then they shouldnt ask.... keep doing what your doing.

    (((((((((hugs)))))))))))

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