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  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2010

    Hi, everyone - Faitfulc - thanks for the info.  I definitely am trying to eat healthier and those are good rules for everyone.  It's good to hear how everyone is doing.  I have two more boosts to go in radiation and then I'll be done!! Woohoo. On to Tamoxifen for the five years.  Definitely feeling a bit underwhelmed with the end of treatment business.  Feel like I should feel gleeful, but I just feel sort of numb.  It's anticlimactic and after everything we've all been through, it's very strange.  There was an article that I read that was passed through the Radiation beginning in August discussion board and it really hit the end of treatment issues right on.  I'll pull it from there and share it here.  I can't thank all of you enough for being there to support me like no others could during our treatment.  It gives me tears to think of what we've been through and I wish I could meet you all and give big hugs.  Mo

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    Faithful-thanks for the great information!  Sounds fairly easy and simple.  Also, are you part of my Tamoxifen group?  The aches and pains are common I guess with it.  I've only had an ache in my leg/ankle a few times, but other than lucky, I guess I'm lucky.  My knees are hurting, but I think that's because I just started working out again last week.

    I don't know anyone else right now with cancer, but plenty of my friends/family had it prior to this.  It's crazy how much of it is out there.  Every person you talk to has either had it, or had a family member who has had (has) it.  Wicked, wicked stuff.

  • swiftbird
    swiftbird Member Posts: 177
    edited September 2010

    Hi ladies, wow, even though many of us are done with chemo, the lingering SEs we all share. oh joy. I too walk like a toddler when I first get up, and the aches and of course the hot flashes.  Fortunately they are all very slooowwwly receding.  I'm in radiation - I find myself internally saying "die! bastards die!" when the "BEAM ON" light comes one.  It occurred to me today that although radiation is a drag, like others, I think it will feel odd not feeling like I'm doing something pro-active to fight, even if it's against hopefully what is already totally eradicated through chemo and surgery. I've been in fight mode for 8 months straight now.  Hmm.

    On a lighter note, hair is growing back fast - came back dark. whew! woohoo! using topical biotin - will never know if that is helping, but certainly isn't hurting. strange facial hair though, a new phenomenon.  Still doing the wig thing too.  But can at least run to stores and go topless when not at work and not feel like I"m inviting those sad (trying not to stare) glances. 

  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    I know what you mean about the "trying not to stare at the hair "moments. I am going to the gym where it seems the men in particular do not know how to react to my hair or rather lack of it. They often go out of their way to avoid eye contact which is so stupid.  I sometimes feel quite isolated. I really don't know how much excercise to do. My joints continue to ache and seize up. Add that to my extra weight which makes me feel like I'm wearing a fat suit and my skinhead haircut and I must admit to feeling quite low. But then I look around me and am thankful that I have all that I do and no one has told me that the cancer is back. That's what's important. The sun is shining as we enjoy an Indian summer here so I 'm off to the garden. Have a great weekend everybody.

  • CinD
    CinD Member Posts: 163
    edited September 2010

    It's good to catch up with everyone.  I get a lot of those morning aches too, but they seem to be getting better as time goes on. Also noticed my skin seems drier than before chemo. 

    I never realized just how many wrinkles I had on my neck until I lost most of my hair! I've started some facial exercises, probably in vain, but who knows. The hair growth is going great.  I've got about 2 inches of wavy auburn hair, but I still don't like the way I look with short hair. Not that I'm complaining, but I feel like I've got a pumpkin sitting on my neck, right in time for Halloween.

    Ado, I had a strange lightheadedness last summer then some again this summer. I, too, got worried when it came back this year.  But this year it went away after three weeks whereas I had it most of last summer. I thought maybe it was allergies or even anemia. I know after my last chemo in April, I was anemic.  I took some iron + vitamin C for a month, and my recent bloodwork showed I was no longer anemic.  Also, you mentioned a possible yeast infection. I had a yeast infection after my exchange surgery this summer, right around the time I was lightheaded. The doctor gave me a pill and some cream, which cleared it up. And, I never had the lightheadedness again after that.

    Faithfulc, thanks for the list.  Most of that I'm doing now, and I've added a few. I'm buying organic dairy, fruits and vegetables most of the time. I'm amazed at the selection now and how prices have dropped. Also, I'm eating cruciferous veggies almost daily and have added turmeric to my diet. I'm cooking more too, making things like homemade tomato sauce and banana bread. Also having at last one pot of green tea per day with a little lemon. And I'm making good on my promise to myself to eat salmon at least twice a week for the omega-3s.

    I'm back to exercising, mostly non-strenuous yoga and using my Sansone walking DVDs. It's still not cool enough to walk outside.  I'm taking the time for meditation, which is helping me to stay calm and sleep. I'm finally sleeping well!  The hot flashes are still there, but not as often or as intense as before.

    It's strange, but I'm feeling really happy these days. I'm thinking it must be because I feel as if I dodged a bullet and am still around to enjoy life. I turn 50 a little over a week from now, and I'm just so thankful to be here to usher in a new decade. I joined a local breast cancer support group, something I never thought I'd do because I'm not a joiner. But these women are amazing, some more than 20 years since they've battled bc. I think seeing them has made me realize that many of us go on to live long, healthy lives.

    Take care, all!  

    Cindy

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited September 2010

    Faithful, thanks for posting that list. I know/do most of it, but really liked the last one, which I hadn't thought of before-- have junk food if you make it! We've been talking about making fried chicken, and it's kind of an ordeal to make, so it's a special treat. 

    Cindy, I share your sense of happiness, and happy 50th! I was warned that I might get depressed after radiation ended, but it was a huge relief. I'm still in treatment, getting Herceptin/Avastin every three weeks through January, so maybe it will hit me later, but I really don't think so. It's good to be moving on. I'm not eating as well as I should, but I'm getting a lot of exercise, and I'm not gaining weight. We'll see what happens when I start Tamoxifen next week, or whenever Medco sends it to me.

    As for hair... I guess I've crossed the line into looking like I actually cut my hair this short on purpose, because in the last week I met a couple of new people and that's what they assumed-- cancer didn't occur to them. It's super-short, about what a 10-month-old baby might have, still a lot shorter than, say, Halle Berry's cute short cut-- I don't know why people would think a 52-year-old woman who dresses the way I do (I'm kind of a forever beach girl) would get such a haircut, but there you have it. I was joking that I should pierce my eyebrow and get an intense tattoo, and then my "haircut" would make more sense. But it's growing daily, and starting to stick out in odd ways, which means I must be getting some of the old curl back.

    Off to the gym! Must keep strong! 

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited September 2010

    Oh, and one more thing-- what do we call ourselves?? I really don't like "cancer survivor." To mean, "survivor" implies an intense accident, like a plane crash or skiing off a cliff. What are you all calling yourselves if you're post-treatment and NED (no evidence of disease)?

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010
  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    Grateful is what I call myself.

     CinD thanks for the info re lightheadedness and yeast it is so good to be able to share worries and I feel so much better since I posted my concerns on here. I have cut down on sugar and wine and have already noticed a difference. I am asking my doc for the anti yeast treatment when I next see him.

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited September 2010

    Ha ha grdnslve, very good. Same for you, Ado!

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited September 2010

    cancer thriver

    i heard that today

    i kinda like it

  • retrievermom
    retrievermom Member Posts: 522
    edited September 2010

    Gina:  I've gone thru weird hair stages so far.  Was straight salt n pepper; now very curly and darker, with some brown.  Everyone but me and DH loves the look.  I can't even spike it; it's so tightly curled.  Poodle, here.

  • CinD
    CinD Member Posts: 163
    edited September 2010

    Colleen, thanks for the birthday wishes!  Last year when I thought about turning 50, I was a little down thinking about aging. Now, I see it as a sign of longevity and am thrilled. I started feeling a little depressed 3 months after treatment ended (I only did chemo, no radiation), but I think part of that was because my reconstruction surgery was being put off. Once I had the surgery and the major soreness wore off, I started feeling upbeat.  I'm glad to hear someone else has a sense of happiness after going thru this. I've been on Tamoxifen since May, and I was worried that having suppressed estrogen would make me depressed. That doesn't seem to be the case, and I'm even wondering if it's preventing the ups and downs normally caused by estrogen, making me calmer.

    It took me longer than most to go without a headcover. When my hair got to the length sported by Dame Judi Dench last month, I figured it it was good enough for her, it was good enough for me. Now it's puffing out, which I know it has to do to get the length going, but it makes my head look big, hence the pumpkin look.

    Ado, that's great you're feeling better without the sugary stuff.  The doctor also told me to up my yogurt intake. 

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2010

    I had my LMX on the 8th. I got the surgical drains pulled (didn't hurt) on the 20th, and got the staples removed today. Which also didn't hurt. But when I got the pathology report back from my oncologist on the 20th, I was a little ticked off that he figuratively dropped a bomb on me and was uncharacteristically brusque. He said it was "interesting" that when they had examined the entire tumor, they had found it weakly positive for estrogen-receptors (8%), and therefore, if I didn't start radiology, I must start taking Tamoxifen as soon as possible. Otherwise, I could wait until I was done with the radiation. Before I could say anything, he added that his office would set up an appointment for me to consult one of their radiology oncologists to see what he recommended. And then he breezed out. Thud.  

    They've been telling me all along that my tumor wasn't hormone-receptor positive. Now, they're saying, "Oh, wait; you are." Which now means taking a pill every day for the next five years and the side effects that come with it. I had reconciled myself to having radiation treatments, with its own little cluster of side effects, but this threw me.  

    Happily, I caught my surgeon at an uncharacteristically non-busy time for him today, so he sat down and talked to me about it. He isn't an oncologist, but he only does breast cancer surgery. And he's booked solid. He's also very warm and fuzzy and has a very direct way of speaking. We talked about whether he thought I would benefit from radiation, and he said yes. He also recommended taking the Tamoxifen even thought my tumor was only weakly responsive to it. I said, "But the tumor is gone, and I got 6 months of intense chemo. Is there enough benefit here to outweigh the risks?" and he said, in his opinion, yes. He said to throw the book at it. He said I was very lucky being diagnosed before it spread, because on a 0-9 scale of aggressiveness, mine was a 9. It was good that I got the aggressive chemo and I was very fortunate the tumor responded by shrinking as much as it did. He called me his "rock star" and said to not wimp out on him now. And that was what I needed to hear.  

    So, radiology consult on Monday the 4th, I can have my port taken out Monday the 11th, proceed with radiation if offered (highly likely), and see him in Jan. for a follow-up exam, mammogram and start the windup for having my other breast removed prophylactically sometime in Feb. Finish radiation, start Tamoxifen and continue to see him and the medical oncologist and the radiology oncologist every few months for the first 18 months or so. I feel better having a battle plan again.

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    Riley-don't let the Tamoxifen scare you.  I haven't had any side effects other than an increase in the frequency of my hot flashes (which started during chemo.)  Glad to hear your surgery went smoothly!

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2010

    Thanks, burley! I've been hearing bone aches, big weight gain, hot flashes, etc. But it's a good point that the chemopause got me started.

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2010

    Hi, everyone - miss our daily talks, but it's a good thing we're all moving on.  Just started Tamoxifen about an hour ago - kind of nervous, but hopefully that will pass.  Stopped herceptin due to my heart issues - I'm in like the one in a million group who experience what I had with the heart and it was really scary - didn't want to continue damaging my heart with the herceptin, but I really wish I could have stayed on it because I do appreciate how effective it is - oh, well, let's hope all the other stuff worked!  Anyone coming to Philly for the breastcancer.org event with Harry Connick?  Mo

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    You know Riley, I keep forgetting about the aches that are supposed to come with the Tamoxifen.  Come to think of it, my knees are killing me every morning!  I stumble around for about 5 minutes until they loosen up.  It's definitely a new thing for me, so I'm guessing it's the T.  Oh well!

    Hey Mo!  Good to hear from you.  Hope all is going well!

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited September 2010

    I've been on Tamoxifen for a month now and I feel fine. I had hot flashes during chemo and still have them but they're not awful. My knees have been hurting and my hands are stiff in the morning. My husband says I've been meaner since I started T but I don't believe it! I'm trying to avoid any weight gain so I've been watching what I eat and walking every day. My spinning class starts in 2 weeks so that should help, too.

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited September 2010

    Hi, everyone, sorry I've been MIA but I've tried to catch up. So glad to see everyone moving on and getting it done. Riley, I hate that your onc was so brusque, but don't be afraid of doing what he recommends.

    I had "breezed" through radiation as much as one can "breeze" through something like that. I really didn't have much trouble with breast burns, so in that I was really lucky. I don't like the way my nipple has been affected. It has a funny, sort of "swollen" shape and look to it. Oh well. 

    I did start on Arimidex after the radiation and it really hasn't caused much of a problem at all.

    I spent most of the summer just healing and getting back in touch with my family. Bonding again, sort of on a more normal plane. 

    So I was not at all prepared for what my 4-month post-chemo PET would turn up. Yes, I was just informed last week that I do have mets to the liver. I had a biopsy yesterday to confirm that it is the breast cancer and not a new primary. Next week I begin chemo all over again. 3 meds in the cocktail this time, one infusion every two weeks for 12 weeks.

    And I had just gotten  my  hair to the point where I looked like I had cut it short on purpose. Le sigh.

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2010

    Oh, Michele - I'm so sorry to hear this.  We will all be here to support you through your next round and hope that you keep in touch so we can know how you're doing.  This sucks, I have to say.  There's no other words for it in my book.  Big hugs - Mo

  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    Escriiibe I am so sorry to hear your news. Everyone is behind you. I really hope all goes well. You've done it once you can do it again. Please keep posting so we can follow your progress.

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010

    michele...so very sorry.   but hang in there & we will be here when you need to vent.

    your news makes my little complaint pitiful, but here it is.  went to the store yesterday..make up on, foob on, baseball cap on .. looking as good as i can at the moment.  this woman in line ahead of me decides when she gets to the checkout she needs something else, so tells the cashier to go ahead and wait on him (gestures at me) while she shops some more.  nearly burst into tears right then, but waited until i got out to the car.  just a little setback in the emotional recovery process.  grow hair grow!!!!  eyelash stubble isn't growing very fast either.  snif...

    getting ready to head down to arizona for the winter--can't wait.  got the dog into school to try to reverse some of the negative behaviors he aquired while i was in treatment & felt too crappy to train the little monster.  dh is sure he is going to get us kicked out of every rv park from here to there.  he just got real protective of me, so hoping the trainer can help us out. 

    ta ta

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    Oh Michele!  I'm so sorry to hear that your battle will start up again, but I know you'll come through it with flying colors!  We're here for you!

    Grdnslve-that's terrible!  I would have said something right to her face, as I seem to be doing a lot of that lately.  So sorry.  We're all doing our best at looking as good as we can.  I know I still look terrible with no makeup and no wig-deep dark circles under my eyes, just short stubble for hair, no eyelashes.  My eyebrows have come back in, but they're crazy.  I'm trying to let them fill in more before I get them waxed.  So!  I'm with you sister!  I look like a boy in a baseball cap too.

    My new complaint...night eating.  I'm like one of those people in a sleep study that sleep eats.  It's really weird.  I can't tell if it's from the Tamoxifen, or maybe just stress.  I've gained 4 pounds, and even though I've started exercising again, I can't get it to come off.  Sigh...

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited September 2010

    Thanks, ladies. Time to put the "big girl panties" back on. Le sigh.

    Grdnslve, I know exactly how you feel! One lady behind me in line one day tapped me and said, "excuse me, sir. . . " then when I turned around and she saw I was a woman, she looked like she wanted to crawl into the floor! She apologized profusely, and almost cried herself! It doesn't happen often, but if it happens again, don't make a big deal out of it, just make sure to verbally acknowledge the person. They will suddenly realize what they did and then get this look of mortification on their faces! Not that you would purposely want to embarrass anyone !  Innocent

  • Iamstronger
    Iamstronger Member Posts: 378
    edited September 2010

    Michele-so sorry to hear your news.  Big hugs to you. 

    V

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2010

    Michele, I'm sorry; that sucks massively.

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited September 2010

    Michele, sorry to hear the news - please come back here often and post so we can know how you are doing.  We are all here for you.

  • cbranner
    cbranner Member Posts: 28
    edited October 2010

    Michele - I'm so sorry to hear this. My heart and prayers go out to you and for you.

    You will get through this. We're all here supporting you! 

  • retrievermom
    retrievermom Member Posts: 522
    edited October 2010

    Michele:  Very sorry to hear your news. 

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