Chemo June 2010

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  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited September 2010

    RS711- For the second two Taxols, they skipped the steroids the night before, which helped a lot. Don't know the dose, but it was cut by 2/3. They also cut the Benadryl in half. Big help.

     Congrats to DMom and others who are finished!! Happy weekend. Toni

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2010

    DesignerMom - You Go Girl!!!!!  Way to go.  Congratulations to kicking some butt!   We are proud of you.  Hugs!!!

    Girls - I actually used a little shampoo today on the baby hair I have growing back in on my head! Woohoo!  Progress.

    Have a fabulous weekend my sisters.

  • flopsy
    flopsy Member Posts: 365
    edited September 2010

    Doing the happy happy joy joy victory dance for DesignerMom on finishing chemo.  Welcome to Rads.  I have finished my 3rd Rad treatment and am doing well.  Good luck for this part of the journey.

    Hi to all my good friends and have a wonderful weekend!!!!!   Hugs,  Ginny

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited September 2010

    YAY DMOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't think I was tested to see if I metabolize tamox.  I'm just starting it.  I am changing oncs so maybe the new one will do it.

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited September 2010

    YAY GRNEYDAY-  HAIR HOW WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2013

    Yay for Designermom!!!!!!!

    JFV - you may want to ask your new onc about the tamox test - at least where I am, they don't always tell you about it because it is not covered by insurance (it costs US$290 here)

    grneyd - I am also using baby shampoo - my hair has been growing back slowly throughout taxol (it fell out with AC). I love it because it is soooo soft - i touch it all the time :-)  but several people have told me that it is best to shave it at least once or twice, so it will grow back stronger. I'm loathe to do this, because i love the way it feels, and if i shave it it will be prickly again. Anyone have any opinions on this?

  • Sherry9316
    Sherry9316 Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2010

    RS711 - My onc says 1.5 white count is the absolute lowest it can be and still receive chemo.  Mine was 1.0 last week.  I certainly hope it comes back up by Wednesday. I've been very careful to wash my hands a lot and keep things disinfected.  I am still working at the school, but I'm being diligent about keeping things clean.  One of the janitors that cleans our office told me that she has been disinfecting my desktop, phone and computer keyboard every evening because she doesn't want me to get sick.  I was touched by her caring and appreciative too.  I don't even have so much as a sniffle and usually by this time of year my allergies are in full bloom!.  Last year at this time, I was on my second round of antibiotic, and had two different inhalers for my bronchitis.

    Good and bad news: food & drinks are beginning to taste a little better now and I've got little stubs of hair growing back.  But, once I start the FEC (hopefully next week) I suppose food & drink will taste like dog food and gasoline again, and my little stubbles will disappear once again. Sigh.

    Dmom - Woo Hoo for YOU!   

  • NorthernGirl
    NorthernGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited September 2010

    Congratulations D'Mom on reaching the finish line. Here's hoping for no SE.

    Grneyd5600 ... hair, wonderful hair! Good for you. How long does it take to grow in following your last chemo???

    Leaving tomorrow to go see the plastic surgeon to review mastectomy and reconstruction options. Appt on Monday...

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2013
    latte.HAIR, WHEWHOO!!!!!!! i would not shave it again, it will thicken either way,i dont think it will grow back any faster, its your hair follicles that are damaged a bit by the chemo but they will repair, enjoy the soft, hehe.Monday is almost here for us, another one dawn, yay!!!!
  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited September 2010

    Thanks guys, I've been getting 8 mg steroid, which I thought was a lot, but I guess not...

    Sherry- Good that you have people looking out for you at work!

    About the hair, I would rather wait till it gets a little longer and trim it, it will thicken...

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2010

    I am going to just let the hair grow as it wants to.  I actually had to buy razors for my legs too!  Not so excited about that one Wink  I will see how it looks when I finish up these last 6 Taxol's and go from there.  It is definitely coming in a lot whiter then it was when left here there.  But I'll TAKE IT!

    Heading to NJ today for work.  Be back on Wed in time for blood work adn then Taxol on Thurs.  I hope you all make out well this week. 

    Hugs all around my sisters!

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited September 2010

    Northerngirl - can you please report back what the PS tells you? I'd like to hear. Good luck!

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited September 2010

    grneyd5600, i think it grows white on the tips only, because my eyelashes are back and the tips were white till they grew out more. some of the tips are still white. weird!!! and TMI,but down under, is coming back and its white ive noticed..i still cant tell on my head cause i still have hair but its very very very very thin..

    tomorrow, chemo for me again, then ill only have 6 left, but im ready to crash because im tired of it. i dont know how ill get thru the next 6 weeks!!!! 

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010

    grneyed-  Boy you have to travel a lot.  Try to not over-do.  Your body is still healing.  They say you don't fully get your energy back for up to a year after chemo. 

    cheyenna- Girl you are headed for the finish line now.  You are going to make it!  Take a calendar and mark big X marks over the days you have had chemo, only 6 to go.  Look how far you have come!  Each one you X out will get you closer to the end.  You will see, you sort of get a second wind as you get closer to the finish.  This last Friday I genuinely looked forward to chemo, knowing it was my last one.

    Okay ladies, I want you all to ask your Oncs to check your vitamin D levels if you haven't already.  There are tons of published medical articles about BC possibly being caused by low D levels.  It seems most of us may be low in D.  Mine was only 14  (ideally it should be 60-120 I think).  We need to do everything we can to prevent this BC beast from getting us again!

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited September 2010
    DesignerMom - What great timing - Vitamin D is exactly what I am researching at the moment! Mine was 17, and my onc was very dismissive - she told me that nearly everyone is deficient which she thinks means the recommended range is wrong!  But the research seems to say otherwise, so I am going to speak to my PP about how much D3 to take to improve my number to at least 80 (because you all know already how little faith I have in my onc...).
  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010
    latte-Your Onc must not be up on the new MEDICAL thinking.  Even my Onc put me on a megadose of D for 6 weeks to try to bring up my count.   She prescribed 50,000iu of D3 once a week X 6 weeks.  Then said to take a normal Calcium + D supplement after.  It is fat soluble so be sure to take it with a bit of cheese, yogurt etc..to help absorption.  She did tell me to check with my Rads Onc to make sure he was okay with my taking it during rads. I have learned a lot on the alternative thread  "help with my Vitamin D levels".  If I find the article, I'll post it here.  There is also some thought that Iodine deficiency (which it seems most of us have) is also putting us at risk.  More on that topic as I find out. 
  • sandiddstn
    sandiddstn Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2010

    Hello ladies!!!  Just want to pop in here... Had a wonderful time with DD in Charleston these past 6 days...  Could not be on the beach long :(  I love walking on it... But went beach hopping, James, Johns, Sullivans, Kiawah, Seabrook and then to Edisto....   NOW to get ready for the Red Devil Monday... Man I have to tell you guys I am scared out of my witts, not sure why but am... I had to take my 1st Ativan yesterday.  Crazy I know since I made it through Taxol OK... But hey I want to sleep thru these...  I know I am not the 1st to go thru this.. thats why I come here... you ladies are the BEST... you all seem to know more then the Doctors do.. LOL...

    God Bless you all and here is to no SE to all....

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited September 2010

    sandiddstn-  Glad you had a great trip.  Sounds lovely.  I think it's totally normal to be scared before chemo.  I got very upset before each one.  Chemo is tough and starting a new chemo means a new routine, new side effects, new meds.  It's a big adjustment.  Just remember you are one tough lady and you can handle it! 

    I did pretty well on my first AC.  I made two mistakes though.  I missed a couple of doses of nausea medicine and I drank coffee.  So, I guess my advice is double check your meds and go easy on the food and drink for a couple of days to keep your tummy OK.

    Hugs and best wishes!  Joan

  • gingersfavorite1
    gingersfavorite1 Member Posts: 273
    edited September 2010

    sandiddstn,   actually I'd say drink, drink, drink all the water you can before your AC's    (I did 4 AC's and am now on Taxol)    but being generously hydrated helped a lot.    The one time I did not prep like that, I felt worse.    I drank anything that sounded good,  during and after as well.    Sprite if / when I was nauseous, flavored waters, Gatorade, Fuze drinks, etc.    I just felt like it flushed things through more quickly and seemed to help.     An oncology nurse said another patient swore by eating fresh fruit during her AC infusion .....  that it helped ward off nausea.   I tried it my last two treatments and would have to agree.   I figured even if it didn't specifically help - it wasn't gonna hurt anything!    Good luck ~ 

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2013

    sandiddstn, i think youll do great, i was very lucky i had no problems or side effects from the AC, i was an emotional wreck, but flew through it!! i did sleep 20 hours after my last one, drink drink drink!!! walk walk walk, it really does help with chemo fatigue... and of course stay on ur meds. i took compazine for 3 days after my chemo just in case... your gonna do fine and we will be here to help you through it!!! do you have any hair after the Taxol, ill have my 6th taxol tomorrow (monday) i  have lashes and eyebrows but hear they will fall out again after the taxol is done? thanks, i will be thinking of you,

    love chey

  • sandiddstn
    sandiddstn Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2010

    JOAN- Thanks for the tip on coffee... I drink it every day a least a cup... will not anymore..:)  I hope I will not miss a dose of meds... but with chemo brain and all who knows huh.\

    STEPHANIE- I was to get AC 1st but I was not healed enough to start them so I got Taxol and now on to AC.   Thanks for all the info.  I have put water and oranges in my bag to take today...

    CHEY- The emotioal wreck, I am.  I had to take my 1st ativan yesterday.....can you tell me what more SE's there is...  I will be leaving around 12:00 today... As for my Taxol- my lashes are half there, eye brows still half.  Hair have peach fuzz.  Only had to shave legs 2x's and under arms.  Now my fingers nails look like they have been mashed in car door... and sore as heck... You will get through this one Chey if you can do AC this one is a breeze, or it was for me...Yes we are stron, but sometimes we have our weak times and I think I am having my...:(

    Don't know you girls but feel like I do know you.  God Bless you all and may the SE's be gone LOL  

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Hi, all.  Glad you are working your way through the remainder of your chemo tx. Wish it was past you, too. Sorry for those being delayed. I'm sure your frustration is immeasurable. 

    I'm now a month past last chemo and noticing things that have improved or not so great things that have comeback...like that pesky post-nasal drip. It's just amazing to me that chemo stopped it cold and now that my body is recovering from the chemo and the new cells can grow again, back comes PND. That is truly something I could have done without forever.

    Today after my 5th radiation tx I saw the RO and described to him the shooting pains I'm getting in the bottom half of the treated breast and the ache under my arm where the nodes were removed. He poked and prodded, sometimes pressing deep into my ribs, and then told me that the pains are a sign of early inflammation of the chest wall and breast tissue due to the radiation. It's a bit early for it to start, but it's real. He told me to take OTC anti-inflammatory for the pain, to only wear a sports bra and to keep the breast supported, not to lift anything heavier than 5 lbs with that arm (my right), and to massage the area regularly. So, there you have it. After only 4 rads tx the SEs started appearing. I've got 28 more to go. Not sure if rads tx is going to be less traumatic than chemo or not. It's an odd feeling to be lying on a metal mesh table with huge machinery going back and forth over you, listening to the timer click off seconds, and imagining what this radiation can be doing to you, besides the original focus of eradicating the possibility of recurring cancer in that area. Scary stuff, this.

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010
    Bon-  Look how far you have come!  Like you, somdedays I just can't fathom all I have put my body through recently.  Jeez!  To willingly allow some of NYC's best doctors to pour poison into my body for 18 weeks....who would have "thunk" I'd do that!  I'm joining you for rads soon.  Some ladies who are rads grads swore by EMU oil.  Don't know anything about it, but it's worth checking out.  Hope it gets easier Bon!  How's your mama?
  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    DesignerMom...no, I've never heard of Emu oil, but there is a flock of Emus 'stabled' a few blocks from my home. Where do you suppose the oil comes from in those critters? Think 'fresh' Emu oil is better than store bought?

    Thanks for asking about my Mom. She is better on some fronts and worse on others. Trying to deal with insulin at any age is tough but at nearly 89 it's just downright dangerous. She is still on prednisone and it's taking it's toll on her, just as it's done to some of us. Mom is far from 'out of the woods' yet. I go to her multiple weekly appointments, as well as mine. Still scared for her...and more tired than I ever remember being.

    Am going through rads tx with one eye on the door.  I think that for me every day will be one for making a decision whether to continue or not. With chemo we all knew that we HAD to keep going. With rads it's not so clear since the benefits are less defined. Or so I see it. No, I'm not longing for the good-old-days of chemo, Heavens, NO. Just think I understood that better than rads and found it all more tangible in some strange way. Radiation is just something out of sci-fi to me.  But, of course, I forget that the founder of Breastcancer.org is a radiation oncologist. Oh, did you listen to her personal message. She herself was diagnosed with bc earlier this year. She didn't divulge her tx for fear that every one of us would rush out and demand the same from our docs, but looks like she didn't do any chemo because she has a full head of long curly hair that definitely isn't a wig. Makes you know how random bc really is, that even she could end up fighting this damn disease.

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited September 2010
    Bon - emus are vicious! watch out they don't bite you while you steal their oil :-)  I have also seen other threads raving about something called miaderm  www.miaderm.com it's developed by radiation oncs. I am thinking about getting some (I still have 2-3 months before i start rads...)
  • Sherry9316
    Sherry9316 Member Posts: 294
    edited September 2010

    Hi all.  Bon good to "hear" from you on here today.  I am grappling with things that are going through my brain at the moment.  The first is radiation.  I am supposed to complete a series of radiation when I'm finished with chemo (if that day ever comes).  I don't understand what additional benefits radiation will have since I will have completed two chemo tx regimens.  My onc has mentioned a couple of times that because I had extra-capsular extension (cancer has spread outside the wall of the affected node) in one of my positive nodes that he would want to be sure and concentrate a certain amount of radiation to my underarm area. If the purpose of chemo is to kill all cancer cells in your body, what would there be left to zap with radiation? 

    I'm also seriously thinking about having a BMX when I finish chemo.  The cancer plus the tx has taken me to a place I've never been before, which I'm sure you all understand.  Recurrence is very much on my mind and what I am most fearful of at this point.  My journey since April has wreaked havoc with my entire being.  I told my husband last night that I could NEVER go through this again.  He says he is fine with whatever decision I make.  He's been such a great support through all this. I just feel like if I remove my boobs, it will lessen my risk for recurrence.  Plus I wouldn't have to have all the tests and scans every few months for several years which would keep recurrence ever present in my mind.  If I was younger, I might not feel the same way.  But, they're just boobs and since they've tried to kill me, I think I might want new ones. 

    What do you guys think?  I really want to hear what you have to say.  You all are the ones who really do understand what I'm going through. 

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010

    Okay, gotta ask.  What IS an Emu?  Is it some kind of bird?  I'm going to google it.  I did see the video on Dr. Weiss.  I respect her decision to not reveal her treatment.  There are just too many of us who are desperate for "the perfect treatment".  As she says, it is SO individual and needs to be developed individually.  The problem is that all of us are trying to guess what she did.  She said she worked with a surgeon and Medical Onc. No mention of Rads Onc, can't imagine she would treat herself. Perhaps she chose a MX and no rads (interesting).  If her Oncotype score was low, chemo was probably not beneficial.  So maybe she just did MX plus hormone therapy?  Whatever, I wish her Godspeed in healing and am forever grateful for this BCO where I have made friends with you wonderful ladies! 

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited September 2010

    Hi Sherry - glad you're back with us again! about the rads - i don't know the answer to your question, but for me I was told i need rads because i had positive nodes, and i am going to do everything possible to make sure that i get rid of the cancer. about the BMX decision, i think i am going to have mx (am meeting with surgeon in 2 weeks to discuss it) - but the main reason is because my stats are much worse because i am BRCA1+. I don't think i would consider BMX if i was negative, but everyone needs to decide what is best for them. Would having the genetics test help you decide?

    DMom - your bird knowledge is seriously lacking :-)  yes, it's a bird that is native to australia, and it is a bit like an ostrich but bites viciously if you get too close.

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited September 2010

    sherry, i had a mx and plan on taking the boob in November and at the same time the will do reconstruction... when they told me its breast cancer, i did not know at the time how big or how bad i just said take them!!! and sooooo glad i did, im young too but i dont ever want to go back and hear them say we need to do a biopsy and then cancer.. i dont care that they can keep an eye on me and catch it early!!!!!! early still can mean chemo.... Im done with BC its bad enough we have to worry about a distant  recurrence. they do beautiful reconstruction now a days, but go to a surgeon the does only breast reconstruction for cancer.That is just how i feel about it, as you, i feel i to have been to a place ive never been, im not the same girl and never will be. i will always be looking over my shoulder, but we all chose  very aggressive routes..those cells dont have a chance!!!

    love Chey

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited September 2010

    sherry, i had a mx and plan on taking the boob in November and at the same time the will do reconstruction... when they told me its breast cancer, i did not know at the time how big or how bad i just said take them!!! and sooooo glad i did, im young too but i dont ever want to go back and hear them say we need to do a biopsy and then cancer.. i dont care that they can keep an eye on me and catch it early!!!!!! early still can mean chemo.... Im done with BC its bad enough we have to worry about a distant  recurrence. they do beautiful reconstruction now a days, but go to a surgeon the does only breast reconstruction for cancer.That is just how i feel about it, as you, i feel i to have been to a place ive never been, im not the same girl and never will be. i will always be looking over my shoulder, but we all chose  very aggressive routes..those cells dont have a chance!!!

    love Chey

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