anyone out there with auto-immune/chronic pain issues before dx?

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  • listmaker
    listmaker Member Posts: 30
    edited September 2010

    ICanDoThis--Thanks for that information, my mother-in-laws doctor told her this several years ago after one of many outbreaks and she has not asked again for it. Even at 91 I am sure she will want to get it rather than have another outbreak. I am however baffled that my doctor didn't mention this to me yesterday. I had said that I knew I needed to get the vaccine before I had an outbreak and he said yes, however, we were talking about so much at once he may have just misunderstood me in conversation. My mother-in-law thanks you for the information and I am sure it will be totally paid for under her medicare and insurance.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    i had the worst case of shingles you can get.in the eyes.way way before bc.i spoke to my dr about the shot.its a live vacine.i dont take the flu shot because i had a bad reaction to it.IM ON THE FENCE WITH THIS ONE. i was in the hospital in isolation for 7 days.im sooo scared now.goin to dr.on fri.will speak to her again.anyone here who dont take the flue shot and is willing to take the shingles shot??????

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited September 2010

    ooh that's hard. I'm scared of vaccines, myself, but if the shingles are that bad....i hope someone has experience and can help you! Or that your doctor is helpful- but drs always just say to take the vaccines, there's nothing to worry about it seems like. :(

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    my internist is very against the flu shot.she was the one who asked me if i was sure i wanted it.her words were ITS A LIVE VACINE MY DEAR.I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT.no one in her family takes the flu shot and she doesnt push it either.so im still on the fence on that one.but i am still very scared.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2010

    grannydukes- All I can tell you is my Mom is currently experiencing her 2nd shingles episode (because no one told her about the vaccine after the first one or that she needed to get on medication within 72 hours after an outbreak) and she says it is the worst pain she has ever felt in her life.  It is now 3 weeks after starting the medication and the pain has still not subsided.  Her doctor told her it could be permanent even after the blisters are healed. If it were me I think I would risk the vaccine rather than face all that.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    thanks Kate. I just put it back on my list of questions for my internist that im gonna see on fri.

    and the beat goes on.this bc gets more complicated every day.

    i used to say fight like a man.hell no FIGHT LIKE A WOMEN.

  • ToriGirl
    ToriGirl Member Posts: 1,188
    edited September 2010

    Grannydukes!

    You go girl!

    Tori

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    WOMEN FIGHT DIRTY.ANYONE HAVE A GUN? BC ONLY MADE ME STRONGER.

  • Sydney6
    Sydney6 Member Posts: 172
    edited September 2010

    grannydukes - Kate 33 is right about risking it.  I got shingles about 3 weeks after I was dignosed with BC.  It was a total shock since I have never had chicken pox and had even had a titer test which indicated I had not had them.  I was scheduled for presurgical testing on a Monday & on the Saturday before I went to the doctor for what seemed like an infected pimple on my forehead.  He told me he thought I had shingles and of course I proceeded to tell him that was impossible since I had never had chick pox.  He prescribed an antibiotic.  By 5a.m. Monday I was in the emergency room because the pain was so bad.  It was definetly shingles.  If a vaccine would save me from ever having them again I would take it in a minute.  It went to the corner of my eye, but luckily did not go in it.  I do however have a few scars on my eyebrow and residual numbness and pain.  I can honestly say that it was the most pain I have ever experienced and I don't think I am any wimp.  I can remember thinking that if I feel this bad at 45 with shingles how bad must older people feel.  My sympathy goes out to anyone who has ever had to experience that and now I am going to have to ask my doctor about this vaccine.  Also, I never have gotten a flu shot.

    Sue

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    ok girls.AND THE PICTURE CHANGED. as i told you before my internist does not takke the flu shot nor does nayone in her family take it.therefore she was ok with the fact that i didnt want it.that was before bc.she also know about the weird case of shingles that i had that landed me in isolation for 7 days.hey they were talkin about cornea transplant in 1 eye.

    now with bc she feels that after the surgery WE MUST change the picture.YES to flue shot and YES to the shingles shot. no chances here.

    ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

    thanks my sistas...God bless.I wish cancer would get shingles.it dont get worst then that

    hugggggggggggggs

    K

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 872
    edited September 2010

    I have been soooooooo sensitive to perfumes/chemicals my whole life, no telling what they have done to me...Smells/scents chemicals will attach to my tongue and I actually taste them, even if the person wearing this is not even close to me....I have changed to no chemicals in my whole body products and cleaning items..I truly believe that a lot of people are putting these nasty chemicals on thier bodies and it is the cause of headaches, skin problems and who knows what else....

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited September 2010

    Absolutely fragrances are harmful --and carcinogenic! (wait, that's redundant..you know what I mean!)

    http://allnaturalbeauty.us/chemicalsensitivities_jrussell.htm 

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited September 2010

    when ever i changed my sheets which was once a weeek i would spray the entire bed with Lysol including the pillows.EVERY WEEK..i always dyed my hair,used hair spray,cleaned with lestoil windex,paper towels....and the list goes on....are you tryin to tell me ALL this comes into play with bc????? bleach,oven cleaner etc.did anyone ever hear of walking in front of a microwave when its on can give you bc????and this is all supposed to be connected to auto-immune disease????? i must be missing somethingor missing a lot.

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited September 2010

    Well, there's no proof- I mean, we'll never really know why us, right? But these things are certainly potentially harmful, and a lot of people blame chronic health problems on exposure.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    Just wondering if anyone out there has had implant pain who has fibromyalgia.  I had my exchange back in June and have had continued pain ever since.  My implants just ache all the time.  My PS said this sometimes happens with fibro patients, even those who just have augmentation, but she doesn't know why.  (Nice to just be hearing about this now.)  She said the pain may be permanent.  I already have pain just about everywhere else in my body and now this.  Anyone have a similar experience?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2010

    Ah Kate, that sucks the big one!!! We go through enough pain in our lives and the little (and I mean little) joy you possibly could have received from your implants is translated, yet again, into pain!!! I have had enough of FM. I have at times even been close to suicidal. NO ONE who doesn't have it can understand that even a sheet touching your skin can cause agony.....

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Kate }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    Barbe- Your post brought tears to my eyes just to know that someone "gets it".  And I understand what you mean by the suicidal thoughts.  You just want the pain to stop.  I think about an animal caught in a trap that gnaws their limb off- that's how I feel sometimes.  Just want to be free of it.

    Has anyone ever given people close in their life the clothes pin test?  Have them clip a clothes pin to the end of their finger and see how long they can stand to have it on there.  When they finally can't take it, and they remove it, tell them how it would feel if they could never remove the clothes pin and they had them all over their body.  When I had my DH do it I think he finally (almost) got it.

    Thanks, again, for the understanding and the hug.  I needed it today. 

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2010

    Oh, how awful! I haven't had the pain, but I am having problems with the implants due to the fibro- the pec muscles won't loosen up properly and are pulling them up and out- they don't know if they can fix them. I'm thinking of switching PSs but i don't know if it will help- it's so hard after all the looking forward to everything being done and better, and I know you must be feeling the same thing. I know it's not even close to the same thing as being in pain all the time, something I am familiar with, but the thought of the reconstruction not being sustainable on top of everything else is shared I think... More ((((hugs)))) and hope- I hope you find a doctor with better options, or a way to ease the symptoms.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2010

    My Dad and his wife (along with everyone else) didn't understand me at all until 20 years later they had a neighbour who had it. THEN they believed me! I was SO angry......

    I liken the pain to having all the skin peeled off your body leaving the nerve endings exposed. Even air can cause pain. Cold/hot, dry/wet, pressure, none....I think y'all get it.

    One time my sister called me and asked me how bad it was. I said if I could get myself down the stairs to the kitchen I'd get a knife and slit my wrists. Can't get much more desperate than that!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    jessamine- I hadn't heard about the tightness of the pec muscles causing those problems.  How did they figure out what was going on?  I have heard of some doctors using botox on the pec muscles to loosen them but only during the TE expansion process.  I am wondering now, though, whether my pecs are what is causing the problem.  My PS seemed quite clueless so have thought about consulting with some new ones as well.  Thanks for your hugs, too.  I'll take all that I can get!  :)

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited October 2010

    kate- it's pretty clear what's going on- mostly on my right (dominant) side, the pec is just pulling the implant up, up, up. It looks bad- flattish and too high. No fold. There's some issue with scar tissue beneath as well, but the PT they sent me to said the tightness was the main thing. The PS says they can go in and loosen the scar tissue and hopefully that will help, but all I can do for the tightness is stretch.I hadn't heard of the botox! I kind of feel like I need at least a 2nd opinion though, if not a 3rd. I want to talk to someone who does the over the pec style, but I don't think I can with my insurance...

    It isn't painful, but I can see where it could be- I know the fibro pain I get tends to be mostly in the muscles, so I can imagine muscle irritation triggering it for you... Is it new with the implants though? It seems so odd that you wouldn't have it with the TEs too!

    Barbe- poor you! I hope the pain is under control now?

  • squidwitch42
    squidwitch42 Member Posts: 2,228
    edited October 2010

    Barb,

    Have you ever been diagnosed with Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy? Just curious.

    My body wide pain sequela feels like someone took a wooden spoon and hit me all over with it. My last two nights have been very restless, and I am exhausted, close to tears. I am going to try and up my Neurontin dose, but I won't be able to take it in the day if it makes me too sleepy.

    Kate,

    Botox makes sense, they are expanding their use of it. They had started using in cerebral pasley patients awhile back, but dosing and side effects are of concern due to the amount needed. Something local like the pecs is worth a little research. I'm sorry you are in pain. I still have my TE's, and it they will have been in for 18 months by the time I get my implants. They are far from comfortable.

    Jessamine (like your Tiger pic!)

    Sorry you are going through this too. I'm just shaking my head..it would be nice to have something be easy and non eventful, right?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2010

    Squid, I got all excited and Googled RSD. I don't seem to have it as it talks particularily of "one sided" issues where, with my FM I have pain and weakness on both sides. I am always looking for another diagnosis...perhaps one that has a cure!....sigh.

  • squidwitch42
    squidwitch42 Member Posts: 2,228
    edited October 2010

    Barb,

    I completely understand. I think what struck me more is the extreme sensitivity to touch, including your sheets and clothing. I will continue to noodle with you. You are seeing a Rheumatologist as well as a Neurologist?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010

    jessamine- I didn't have this same pain with the TE's which is kind of odd.  I was taking a muscle relaxant for most of my fills so maybe that was helping with the fibro overall?  I have been googling like crazy the past few days trying to figure out what is going on.  I did read that if the PS makes the pocket too small you can get a squeezing feeling on the implants which it kind of feels like.  Wondering if it is just the weight of the implants themselves?  Do you suppose silicone weighs more than saline?  Just feels like there is this weight on my chest all the time.  Have been wondering if smaller implants would help but I had NSM and am so afraid another surgery will screw up my results there.  Just seems to be a lose-lose situation either way.  Anyone have any good results with meds for fibro?  Feel like I've tried just about everything.

    Barbe- I can definitely sympathize with the pain and sensitivity issues you are having.  And I understand how the ones around us just will never really understand.  Seems hard enough dealing with fibro without throwing BC into the mix.  Ever feel like we have a cosmic "Kick Me" sign on our backs or something?  I sometimes feel like I want to give up, too, but I keep hoping the answers, and pain relief, are just around the corner.  Sending (((hugs))) to you today, too.

    Does anyone know if there is a BCO kind of site for fibro sufferers? 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited August 2013

    There are fibro sites, but none as clear and consise as this website. It is very hard to track comments and members. This site blew my mind when I found it!!!

    I have degenerative disk disease as well as a bulging disk that is bulging the wrong way (of course!) so they thought it was a tumour years ago. I have horrendous arthritis even to having spurs into the back of my throat from my neck! I had a reduction years ago to alleviate the weight and bc has given me the penultimate reduction. That's one of the reasons I've never, ever considered recon.

    Lyrica and Neurontin both cause weight gain. I am on Cymbalta and my regular doc can't believe I'm NOT pain free! I also take 18 mgs of Hydromorphone a day, and Oxycontin for breakthrough pain up to 4 times a day. Can you say narcotic overload??? I take a stool softener and laxative EVERY day.

    edited to add NOT pain free

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2010
    barbe- OMG, I think I'd be eyeing the kitchen knives, too.  All of that and in your photo you still have a smile on your face.  I think you have an amazing spirit with all the crap that has been thrown your way.  Seems way too much for one lifetime.  
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2010

    In my photo I am changing my first diaper on my first grandchild that was born Sept 9th! Never thoguht I'd live to see the day....sigh.

    I am one of the happiest people I know which is why I don't think doctors take me seriously. I have a handicapped license plate and have been on and off a cane for about 6 years now. Even have an electric scooter if need be.

  • squidwitch42
    squidwitch42 Member Posts: 2,228
    edited October 2010

    Barb,

     as it is hard too infer emotions on the internet, I just hope you aren't being tough on yourself for having to take pain meds.  are you seeing a pain specialist? While pain free may be unrealistic for those of us with chronic pain issues, your pain med needs should be less about dosage and more about what gets you out of pain crisis. I hope my post comes through as supportive, b/c that's my intention.

    I hope you have a good day today!

    traci

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited October 2010

    Squid I'm not hard on myself for taking pain meds, but I'd rather they find the source of the pain and cure that, rather than a band-aid approach with meds. The street value of my drugs could pay my mortgage each month! I have seen pain specialists and had the nerve blocks done. They were the ones who did the epidurals (2 each) in my neck and spine. They were also the ones who thought I'd have to be hospitalized to get off the Oxy's but once I don't need them, the narcotics nauseate me! Lucky me....

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