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  • Hooponopono
    Hooponopono Member Posts: 36
    edited September 2010

    I've just watched the docu-movie 'Burzynski', about a doctor who found a treatment for cancer (based on 'antineoplastons') and got harassed by the joint efforts of the FDA/NCI/AMA/BigPharma who want to throw him in prison.

    Shocking and heartbreaking...

    Read about this docu-movie (including an interview with the maker of it, Eric Merola):

    http://trustmovies.blogspot.com/2010/06/seek-out-bursynski-documentary-and.html

    Looks to me, this guy knows what he's talking about... 

  • Hooponopono
    Hooponopono Member Posts: 36
    edited September 2010

    Unbelievable that nobody seems to bother about this. You people really have no idea what's going on in the 'health-business' hey... Okay, just go on as you wish. Keep thinking about chemo as being a 'medicine', but wonna see what this poison does to normal cells?  http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=8246474 or http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=8246474&silverlight=true 

    The silverlight player you can download for free here: http://silverlight.nl.malavida.com/d4291-gratis-downloaden-windows

    This short video is from the Dutch Television (AVRO), but you don't need to understand the words, the pictures are clear enough. Don't look if you love conventional medicine. 

    You can read more about chemo and the 'cancer-industry' here:

    http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/2516576/ 

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited September 2010

    Thought-provoking and the reason I chose no chemo.

  • dreaming
    dreaming Member Posts: 473
    edited September 2010

    I work in a cancer center and we see the patients that come basically to die because they went to this doctor first, and when they are too sick or their money runs out he is finished with them.

    He uses urine for his patients and the film was paid by him. One makes a personal choice about treatments or no treatments at all, I respect this, I chose the most aggressive treatment I could get and after all this years it has paid off, my best friend wanted only palliative care, she is gone now, but it was her decision.

  • Hooponopono
    Hooponopono Member Posts: 36
    edited September 2010

    Hi BarbaraA,

    Please take a look at 'German New Medicine' (GNM). Nearly 1 1/2 year after my girlfriend refused mastectomy/chemo/radiation, but instead went along with GNM (and, to be honest, Metabolic Therapy, based on B17/Amygdalin) she's still doing fine. Three months after her refusal of conventional treatment a ultrasound showed no more signs of the two malignant tumors (confirmed by MRI/core-biopsies) in her right breast.

    I would advice everybody to look further than your ego and start changing your outlook on life. Learn to trust your heart, because it's what connects you with the power of life itself. If you realise the limits of the ego (and science, in so far as both are 'controle driven') you'll find it easy to relax and don't take things so personal anymore. Then you can also forgive (yourself and others), which will be a pretty good deal for your health too.

    Okay, talking like this won't make me look very reliable to most people (they're all so blinded by the so called science behind conventional medicine and like to believe in a mechanical, predictable world). The ones who are ready to change their paradigm, however, will 'know' what I'm talking about.

    By the way, there's lots of scientific proof for all this too, but the BIG EGO'S in this world use all the power they have to keep you thinking otherwise. For this, they do whatever it takes.

    Bless you all. 

  • Hooponopono
    Hooponopono Member Posts: 36
    edited September 2010

    Hi dreaming,

    it's weird how most people think that one must be very desperate and afraid (of chemo/amputation) to seek 'alternative' treatment. I would think that one must be very desperate and afraid of cancer (and the picture 'modern' medicine paints of it) to turn to 'conventional medicine', who still uses the most primitive treatment one can imagine to 'fight' cancer: fill'm up with poison and hope it will kill the cancer before it kills the patient.

    By the way, did you know that 22% of all breast cancer disappears on its own if never discovered?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/health/25iht-cancer.1.18132547.html

    I've confronted doctors with this and they looked at me as if I was crazy. Of course, they've been told it's called 'spontaneous regression' and it should only happen about once in 50.000 cases...

    And so you claim that Dr. Burzynski "uses urine for his patients and the film was paid by him". Well, it's not because he found out that healthy people have 'antineoplastons' in their urine, and cancer patients don't, that one can conclude he's giving urine to his patients. That's only the way you put it, not the way it is... He didn't pay for this movie, you should read the interview (see my link above). Neither did he pay for the documents and the events that happened in the courtrooms, where the FDA showed what they are willing to do for money. Only, fortunately, they didn't got away with it - looks like they've picked the wrong doctor to mess with, this time.

    And to finish, did you know that "the contribution of cytotoxic chemotherapy to 5-year survival in adult malignancies" is only about 2.3% ? (for breast cancer it's 1.5%):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15630849

    And please don't tell me it's gotten much better lately, 'cause 1. it hasn't and 2. I bet 'they' haven't shown cancer patients these figures, ever... What I do believe is that they might be using chemo less aggressively lately, so that, at the end of the day, less people are actually dying of it.

    Just a hunch...

  • skeptical1
    skeptical1 Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2010

    Placebo - I do not understand what forgiving oneself has to do with any of this, and I do not think the power of life lies in one's attitude or one's mind.  No one yet understand what makes a particular organization of organic molecules alive, but we are getting closer.  Energy is not some mystical thing, it is quantifiable, and if you want to understand life, you might begin by studying organic chemistry.  Haven't you ever wondered exactly how your cells get and use oxygen they need for energy (to power life)?  It is not a mystery, but you need a lot of science to really understand it. Science is work, mumbo jumbo is easy.  If you don't think science has anything of value to offer, then you are free to never go to an MD again, never use antibiotics or analgesics, or x-rays, also never to use a computer again, never watch TV again; basically, go live in a cave. While I do believe attitude is important (and it has been shown to raise the immune response in scientific studies), I do not believe it is all-important.  I think you are insulting the millions who have died of cancer to suggest such a thing.

    As far as Dr. Burzynski is concerned, I find two things most disturbing:  1) No other studies have been able to replicate his claims 2) He himself has not kept records of ALL of the patients he has treated and of the outcomes.  This means he has deprived himself of a great source of evidence of the effectiveness of his treatments, if indeed they are effective.  He seems to rely on just a few anecdotal cases.  People without an understanding of statistics or basic scientific methodology are easily sways by anecdotal evidence.  Everyone knows of someone who "miraculously" survived whatever.

    Finally, yes there are many big egos in science, just as there are in every endeavor all the way down to elementary school sports.  Big egos have most definitely stood in the way of medical and scientific progress in the past.  This is no surprise.  Even among apes, the older males are the last to adopt new practices.  The fact that the scientific and medical establishments are "hostile" to Dr. Burzynski (which I do not think they are - I think they are hostile to poor science) and that the Feds have prosecuted him in no way gives him any legitimacy. One might feel sorry for him for really stepping in it out of ignorance (if that's what it was), but he gains no merit for it. 

    Your presentation of statistics on cytotoxic chemo in adult malignancies is flawed, as some cancers respond very well, and others not at all, while the stage at which treatment is begun is significant in some and not in others.  Lumping them all together as evidence of ineffectiveness is ridiculous and meaningless.  Also, you presented a quotation, but no source.

    Oh yes, let me not forget "spontaneous regression."  Every case of spontaneous regression brings a huge investigation attempting to find the causative factors.  This is because science is an attempt to understand the physical world we live in, not brush it off as "miracles" or "bad vibes."  I worked with someone who lost all the tissue over the fronts of her calf in a horrific car accident.  It's well known that skin grafted directly over bone cannot survive, but in an effort to prevent infection until something else could be devised, doctors went ahead and did such a graft.  Well, it took.  It became permanent, and the patient was then pestered day and night by doctors and researchers hoping to find out why.  It was not a miracle, it was the patient's own body responding to trauma in a way that science does not yet understand.  As long as people confuse such cases with mysticism, we will never really know what goes on.

    I heartily recommend that you take a few basic science courses.  You could start with high school bio, chem and physics.  The more you learn the more you will understand how complicated all living organisms are and that there are no easy or simple answers. 

  • Hooponopono
    Hooponopono Member Posts: 36
    edited October 2010

    Hi sceptical1,

    Maybe you should recommend Dr. Deepak Chopra (and Dr. Bernie Siegel, etc.) to take a few basic science courses too. Seems to me, they (and many other intelligent people, alot of them scientists) don't worship 'science' the way you do, but, instead, give it it's place.

    Here's Dr. Deepak Chopra explaining what made him give up looking at disease/patients as a 'normal' doctor (conditioned by formal education, based on materialism).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBnhm5DCrI

    Best wishes. 

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