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  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited August 2010

    My exchange surgery is tomorrow-yea!  I'm excited to get these rock hard tissue expanders out.  It's like they migrated into my armpits so I bump them constantly.

    I'm still bummed about my lack of hair...there's very sparse stubble on the top of my head-like 15 hairs total, so I look like an old guy with a ring around his balding head.  The stuff on the sides is about 1/4 inch long and very soft, so I'm not sure if it's real hair or not.  My previous hair was very course and thick, so it definitely doesn't seem like my former hair.  Sigh.  Maybe I'll have some hair for Christmas!

    I hope everyone is feeling well and surviving the summer heat!

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited August 2010

    Burley, hope your surgery goes well.  I've learned that the only word that works when it comes to hair is "patience."  Definitely by Christmas!!

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited August 2010

    Burley - good luck iwth your exchange surgery! I hope it goes well and that you have a great result.

    I agree with faithfulc about being patient with your hair. My scalp is covered, don't really know if I can even measure it. It's coming in dark and quite soft. My former hair was coarse and thick, too.

    Gina

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited August 2010

    Hi, everyone - well, going on a herceptin holiday for a little longer than I had anticipated.  Have been having weird heart rhythms, dizzy spells, and other strange stuff happening, so my doc agrees that we're done for now.  Will revisit herceptin after radiation is over (mid Sept.).  I wasn't going to do it even if they said I should because the heart stuff is really scary.  Almost passed out driving to radiation the other day - that was scary enough.  I told my onc that I truly understand that someday I may die of cancer, but I'd be really pissed off if I passed out, hit my head and died because of the damage caused to my heart from the drug that is supposed to cure the cancer!  Anyone else having strange heart stuff on the herceptin? 

    Hair is coming in very dark, touched with gray, and thick.  Not so bad - people keep complimenting it (they may just be being nice), but it's not awful.  Love the ease of getting ready.  Got my tix to the breascancer.org event with Harry Connick, Jr. on Oct. 30th.  If anyone wants to come into Philly, let me know. 

    Hope you all are well and are recovering from the hell we've experienced.  Big hugs to everyone and, as always, thanks for always being there for me.  Take care - Mo

  • ariesrottie
    ariesrottie Member Posts: 260
    edited August 2010
    Hi everyone! It's been along time. I hope that all is well and that we are all recovering. You are in my prayers daily...Does anyone else have to go on Zomadia? How are you doing if you are on it?
    Donna
  • swiftbird
    swiftbird Member Posts: 177
    edited August 2010

    HOT FLASHES

    Anyone on depo provera?  I got a shot this week... wondering how long it takes to kick in to slow down the chemopause...

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited August 2010

    Exchange surgery went well-I'm definitely a C afterwards, and happy with how they look in a t-shirt.  The hubby is happy with them too, which makes me feel better.  I originally had wished I had gone bigger, but they look just right for the size of my rib cage.  Was able to finally take a shower yesterday and get all the tape residue off.  My follow up appointment with the PS is Monday, and I think she'll take the rest of the big tape off--just probably leave the little tape on my incisions.  She also removed my port, and that incision is pretty sore.

    I'm so happy to be one step closer to being back to "normal."  I think I will finally feel more normal after I get about an inch of hair.  And yes, still no hair on top for me!  Also no eyebrows or eyelashes.  My last treatment was 7/15, so I was thinking I would have some growth by now.

    Well, I hope everyone has a terrific weekend!

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited August 2010

    It was 2 months before I had any real growth and now 4 months out - i had a cut and dye - wow

    It actually looks like a hairdooooooooooooo

  • lindee629
    lindee629 Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    Congrats Burley on your exchange surgery, glad that is over with for you. And getting deported too. I had my Port out end of March and my scar is about 1 1/2 inches wide and kind of bumpy. But it doesn't look too bad, I don't even bother trying to cover it up anymore or anything. Figure its a battle scar I earned!

    I had some scans done last week, just to make sure everything was OK. I probably should have had them done PRIOR to chemo but oh well. I had a CT of the head, chest, abd, pelvis, a total body bone scan, an ultrasound and mammogram of the left (unaffected) breast because they thought there was something there (went thru this a few mos ago so wasn't as freaked this time around), and all came back good. SO I guess I can be considered NED. (YAY!!!)   Also had a bone density scan that I didn't score so high on (surprisingly to me) so now I can add Caltrate to my growing list of meds. And my lab work came back showing that I have some kind of genetic or enzyme deficiency and I don't utilize the Tamoxifen as well as I should so it may be less effective for me. Feels pretty effective though, since I haven't had a period since Feb, and the hot flashes are brutal. Oncology wants me to come in every 3 mos now and get an injection of Lupron which is an ovarian suppressant. Oh well, guess I can handle it. Wonder how bad my hot flashes will be after that...  Hot flashes and neuropathy are really the only SE's I have left. Does the neuropathy ever get any better?    

    Hair is continuing to grow, little longer and thicker, still not curly though. Nice and soft. Have to color it again soon, because its so short the gray is noticeable really rather quickly. I guess its almost 4 mos worth of growth since I finished chemo. Feels great to be "topless" and everybody has been cool about it, I think most people are thinking its a really short style and I've actually received compliments on it. 

    Mo how scary that you almost passed out while driving, altho the scenario you mentioned to your onc was kind of funny. Glad you're getting a break from the Herceptin. 

     I can't believe summer is almost over--it went so quickly! I guess because I was sick or getting radiation thru half of it. But I survived so I guess i can consider it the best summer of my life.

    Take care all, and have a happy Labor Day weekend!   

  • nancyinaustin
    nancyinaustin Member Posts: 22
    edited September 2010

     My chemo started 2/11 04 2/12/2010 (Thusday) & proceeded subsequent Thursdays, every 3 weeks

     last was 5/27.  I was diagnosed with stage 2b positive very aggressive breast cancer so it was 

    decided to use aggressive chemo treatent.

    Port install was ok no after problems---I did tac infusions every 3 weeks & was tasked with just 

    about every symptom except I guess "chemo brain." Numbness of feet & fingertips, along with

    extreme swollenness of ankles & feet, occurred in April, somewhere around the 4th chemo.

    Swelling (but not the numbness) is just now gradually going down, & now I'm undergoing 

    33 days of radiation---not a cakewalk, as the doctors & nurses seemed to think.

    I went into this with unusual strength & good health (vitals always good) but also with life-

    long problems with constipation & hemmorrhoids, whixh were exacerbated the last 5 years.

    As ankles taper in, & feet get slimmer (no more elephantine ankles) skin on my legs & feet

    have developed a furious itching---finally went to dermatologist, she prescribed triamcinolon

    I used it once so far, mostly scratch unconsciously till itch goes away.  She said it was chemo/

    radiation-related fluid retention, NOT dry skin as people at work were telling me.

    Radiation center closed tomorrow---4-day holiday for my breast, yay!!!

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited September 2010

    I got "deported" yesterday!  So glad.  I am keeping the little sucker that helped so much during my chemo - I have really small veins.

    Enjoy the weekend!

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010

    congrats faithful!!  welcome nancy--so sorry you have problems with the rads.  it really was a cake walk for me--well except for the burn, but it healed. 

    starting to get eyelashes--can feel the little stubble!!!  who would think one would ever get excited about stubble.

    have a great weekend--off to fish.....ta ta

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    Ohhh, grdnslve...so jealous about the eyelash stubble!  Still absolutely nothing for me...and I'm going on 2 months.  Also, still no hair on the top of my head (well, I lie-a few grays), so I'm going to have to shave the sides AGAIN to try and let it catch up.  I wonder how long I'll have to keep doing it.

    Went camping for 4 days and the weather was awesome-really helped with my hot flashes.  I was down a little bit when I met some people I didn't know, and the one girl was wearing a bandana as a fashion statement.  And here I am wearing mine because I have no hair.  Sigh...

    I hope everyone had a great Labor Day!

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited September 2010

    I had my LMX yesterday and got home today. Two lymph nodes taken, both clear. Now to take it easy and wait for the final path report!

  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    Like many of us I finished chemo in the summer ( June) and wonder if anyone else is feeling the fatigue that I am ? The initial post chemo celebration seems to be over . Over the last 2 weeks I have felt spaced out, depressed aching and tired. I wonder if I will ever feel well again. I find gatherings of people wear me out which I accept is probably just the after effects of chemo. I also experience a light headedness  which I find hard to explain. It is as if something is not getting somewhere it needs to in my body, a  lack of energy which makes me want to just close my eyes but not sleep which worries me as of course I think the cancer is back. When I think back to before my diagnosis I had these feelings then and didn't know how to explain them to my doctor. I am also very irritable and sensitive to loud noise just as I was before. I looked into it before cancer and found I had stomach ulcers but even after treatment the light headedness continued and I thought it might be a hormonal imbalance and was told by my doctor that I was just pre menopausal. I was then diagnosed with an oestrogen based BC. The odd feelings went away during chemo as I had far worse to contend with but are now back and I am very down about it. I do wonder whether it is a yeast infection as I do crave very sweet foods. I am on Herceptin and Tamoxifen. Anyone out there got any ideas?

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited September 2010

    Hi, Ado - I was having major dizziness on the Herceptin - had to stop it due to that and various heart issues.  That could definitely be what you are dealing with.  Is your heart rate really low?  Mine was in the mid 40s when I was on the Herceptin, which is low.  I have been off the Herceptin since the beginning of July and have been doing radiation since the beginning of August.  Have to decide at the end of radiation if I want to go back on the Herceptin or not - huge decision and I'm really struggling with it - should I risk heart damage for a drug that may extend my life????  AAGGGHH - this is really difficult.  Anyway, talk to you doc about the Herceptin - there's also a great support line from the manufacturer of Herceptin - I've been talking to them to help me figure all this out - looking at different clinical trials to determine whether 6 months of Herceptin has the same results as a year of the drug - their number is 866-449-4372 - I spoke with someone there named Adrianne and she was very helpful.  Good luck with it - let me know how you make out.  Mo

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010

    burley--just remember..it is just stubble at this point.  barely there.  but i also cheated and got latisse from my pcp.  not sure if it helps or not,and it is so $$$  won't be able to keep it up, but thought it might give me a head start.

    ado--for what it's worth, i'm sharing some of your feelings.  saw my onc yesterday & my labs are still where they were on treatment, some even lower.  he told me some people never completely recover to the levels before chemo.  so i think that is part of it.  some of the symptoms must be hormonal, as they are what i was dealing with before this crap.  also, it is normal for the fatigue to last 6-12 months before you really start to feel like yourself.  i'm trying to build up my strength, but it doesn't take much to wear me out.  with chemo over, you feel like life should just get back to what it was, but we need to be kind to ourselves & not expect too much.  yet all i really want is to look in the mirror and feel normal.

    ta ta ladies

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited September 2010

    Ado-I think some of it may be the Tamoxifen.  Are you part of the Tamoxifen group I'm in?  I can't remember.  Dizziness, fatigue, irritability are all very common side effects.  I've definitely felt the fatigue, and experienced one day of terrible dizziness.  And I'm usually crabby, so that's nothing new.  Lol.  Look into the side effects of it and talk with your Onc.  Also, I agree that we may not feel completely normal for a while.  I just started exercising this week, and I am so weak it's pitiful!  It exhausts me, but I know I've got to do it.

    grdnslve-I've been using Latisse for about a month, with no results.  Bummer.  I may stop using it until I see some eyelash stubble, then start up again.

  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    Thanks everyone for your fantastic support. I wil follow up on all the suggestions. I am pretty fed up with feeling like this as we all are. I am also exercising but finding that my joints ache and my knees are weak. I also had a very painful arm for most of last night which I know is a result of the chemo and Herceptin going into the veins. It has really helped reading your posts. Thanks again.

  • leta17
    leta17 Member Posts: 120
    edited September 2010

    I haven't been on in a while and I have been wondering the same things Ado asked about.  I have aches and pains that I didn't have during Chemo and when I first get out of bed in the morning, it is like I don't have feet and I have more fatigue (yet I can't sleep) and am easily irritated.  I spoke with my Onc and she said that it is a combo of the chemo and rads...The taxotere is responsibile for my "missing feet" in the morning so I am taking B-6 for that and the aches and pains is part Taxatore and part my body may be going into menopause or at least it thinks it is...I have to live with the aches and pains, although she recommended I add yoga or even strengh/resistance exercises to my exercise plan.  The fatigue is a delay from rads and she said it will pass the quickest.

    I have filled my script for Tamoxifen, will start tomorrow...I figure I am already feeling similar side effects to some who are on T, so maybe I won't notice the difference:) 

  • cbranner
    cbranner Member Posts: 28
    edited September 2010

    leta17 - I'm having the same issues - very achey joints and some fatigue though it's getting better. I finished rads on 8/20 and the aches took me by surprise. My onc told me the same thing - it's the taxotere. When it gets bad I take a Tylenol for Arthritis and that seems to help. 

    I'm about a week late starting the Tamoxifen - mail order prescription.., but it should arrive tomorrow, then we'll see what wonderful side effects I can add to aches, hot flashes and night sweats!

    Despite all of the above, I'm so happy to be past the worst part and still intact for the most part. My eyebrows are growing like gangbusters and looks like I'll have to start getting them waxed again. I'm seeing stubs where my eyelashes should be. My hair is growing well and since I found a good barber I get loads more compliments on my "daring " short natural hairstyle than I ever did when I spent a lot more bucks on it. I still think that's so ironic all I can do is laugh!

    Hang in there ladies! I'm so glad this group hung together even though the chemo is over for all (or almost all) of us. I get such a lift when a post shows up in my inbox even though I'm not always able to post myself. Thanks for being such a great bunch through this journey. 

  • Ado
    Ado Member Posts: 89
    edited September 2010

    cbranner I couldn't agree more, I really value this site. I felt like it was just me lagging behind all the rest in my recovery and am relieved to see that the symptoms I have seem to be common to all. My joints are awful in the morning and I can hardly walk and cannot bend my fingers at all until I get going. It makes me feel like a wreck and then I start worrying about cancer spreading. Thank goodness we've kept this link going.

  • leta17
    leta17 Member Posts: 120
    edited September 2010

    cbranner   I am laughing right now because as much as I have been complaining about my aches and pains, I didn't even think of taking something for it! Laughing I am still a creature of old habits, I have always hated to take any type of medicine!  But I think after Chemo, Tylenol really isn't a big deal!Laughing

    I am glad too that others are checking back in on this thread, I may not be on this site as much, but I will check in every so often to see and share where we all are on this journey!

    Be well!

  • retrievermom
    retrievermom Member Posts: 522
    edited September 2010

    Ditto on the morning aches, especially in my hands/fingers.  Warming them up helps, a hot shower helps, too.  Sometimes I will wake up in the night with one leg or one arm numb.  The fatigue is lessening.  No more fighting the desire to sleep at 2 pm, and I can go farther on my walks without needing to stop and catch my breath.

    I am so, so wanting my hair to be long enough to make it worth coloring.  It is steel gray and curly now.  I am a poodle!

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited September 2010

    I'm not glad to hear about all the aches and pains, but glad to know that I'm not alone! When I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, I walk like I'm 110 years old. My neck is still stiff, my hips ache,I've got a terrible sciatica problem.... that said, I've been exercising almost daily (pilates, walking, hiking, elliptical trainer, a little tennis), and I'm getting stronger. 

    And I have a new BFF: Aleve. I've always been an ibuprofen (Advil) girl, but it wasn't helping a lot. Aleve (plus a good chiropractor) is really helping. Today was Herceptin/Avastin day, and I asked my oncologist if it was okay to be on it for a week or two at a stretch, and he said yes, if I'm just taking one (two max) every 12 hours. He said they're checking kidney function when I'm in every three weeks anyway, so they'll know if it's a problem. It has really helped-- I'm sleeping better and can turn my head better.

    So consider that for the joint/muscle issues. 

    Eyebrows came back much faster than everything else-- they're pretty normal. Eyelashes stubby but coming in. As for hair, it's still no more than a half-inch, but I actually have to brush it or it sticks out funny! That's kind of a thrill, to brush my hair. So far appears to be same color (brown, some gray but not a lot) and texture.

    Just got my Tamoxifen prescription... kinda dreading it, but on the other hand, it should be nothing like what we've all been through.

    And WTF about all this cancer?!?! My landlady at my office (tiny building, just a few of us) was diagnosed with BC a couple of months ago and is in chemo. Her husband was just diagnosed with lung cancer, two friends (50something men) just got prostate cancer diagnoses, another acquaintance, mid-40s, has terrible lung cancer, and last week I had to attend the funeral for a high school friend's son, who died of melanoma that had spread everywhere by the time they caught it. 

    I'm afraid to ask anyone, "How are you doing?" Too much cancer out there.

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010

    writer--i agree, it's everywhere, but think we are taking more personally now when we hear.  my dad just passed - yup--cancer.  it's been a hard year.

    on a lighter note--i've been bi_ing about the whole hair, eyebrows, eyelashes thing.  mentioned i have some stubble for lashes, but the eyebrows are coming in a bit quicker.  however, one is coming in dark like before, and the other  (drumroll please)  is white...well, almost colorless.  you can't even see the f' 'ing thing.  and trying to pencil it in is almost impossible to match the look & color of the other one.   so i continue to look like a freak. 

  • cbranner
    cbranner Member Posts: 28
    edited September 2010

    grdnslve & writer - I think it's like seeing the car you want everywhere you look. I'm definitely more aware of it now.

    grdnslve - your drumroll had me laughing! I hope this new look is confined to your eyebrows!! The funny thing about eyebrows is that I've gotten so good at drawing them on so perfectly that the eyebrow hairs get in my way now! I will be getting them waxed this weekend!

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited September 2010

    Hi Girls - glad to see so many are doing well and growing hair back. Mine is coming in but is still too short for me to go wigless. Like cbranner, my eyebrows came in the fastest. I do not like the furry face I got as my hair started to grow back. I think it has thinned but I will be getting waxed soon.

    I, too, have many aches that I never had before. My hands are stiff every morning, I feel like I'm walking on stumps when I get out of bed and my knees and elbows hurt. There's my litany of gripes. I have an appt with onc next week.

    I've been on Tamoxifen since 8/30 and don't have anything to report.Hot flashes, but I had those since chemo.

    grdnslve - so sorry to hear about your dad, on top of all you're dealing with. Such a sad time.

    writer - I'm with you on this cancer s#$%. My aunt was just diagnosed with Stage IV uterine cancer, a friend's dad with lung cancer and mets, my nephew's friend (20 yo) with leukemia. All this bad news has been in the last 2 weeks. It's just too much. I don't want to answer my phone.

    retrievermom - did your hair come in straight and then curl? Mine is pretty straight but not too long. My husband has deemed my hair "Hazel hair"...not a great compliment because Hazel is a friend's Airedale! I have tons of cowlicks and the hair seems to be growing in different directions. He has had some pretty good desciptions of my hair in the various growth stages, one of my favorites was "head like a kiwi". 

    Take care everyone and nice we can keep this group going. Gina

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited September 2010

    think i'm in the kiwi stage...LOL

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited September 2010

    Checking back in - so good to see quite a few new posts - and great to hear from all of you.  Good to know that I'm not alone in the "new pain here and there" department.  I haven't noticed much in my hands, but my legs are painful from time to time.  Uggh!

    I started Tamoxifen on 8/16 so it's been a month.  The first couple of weeks I did notice an increase of hot flashes.  Come to think of it, that's when some of the pain started as well.  This past week the hot flashes seem to have been tamed - by what I do not know.  It also made me really short tempered and I snap very easily.  D*** these chemicals that help and hurt at the same time.  I sure hope they help more than they hurt.

    Cancer is definitely more prevalent that it should be - it is not our illusion.  Take care of ourselves!!  I grabbed Michael Pollan's booklet "Food Rules" and think it makes a lot of sense.  Some of you may have heard his seven word rule: "Eat food.  Not too much.  Mostly plants."  Here are some I'd like to share that made a lot of sense to me.  (This could be a bit too long so I apologize firstLaughing.)

    * Avoid food products that contain more than five ingredients.  (The number is arbitrary, but this basically says avoid highly processed food with a lot of additives.)

    * Avoid food products containing ingredients that a third-grader cannot pronouce.  (I do have a third grader at home, so this one is easily doable for me.  :)

    * Shop the peripheries of the supermarket and stay out of the middle.  (Again, the center aisles are full of processed food.  Stick with fresh produce.)

    * Eat foods that will eventually rot.  (Added shelf live usually comes with lots of processing, resulting in reduced nutrients.  Real food is alive, and therefore it should eventually die.  Honey perhaps is an exception.)

    * If it came from a plant, eat it; if it was made in a plant, don't.

    * It's not food it it's called by the same name in every language.  (Think Big Mac, Cheetos, or Pringles.)

    * Eat animals that have themselves eaten well.

    * Sweeten and salt your food yourself.  (They usually contain too much sugar or salt if processed by corporations.)

    * Eat sweet foods as you find them in nature.  (In nature, sugar almost always come packaged in fiber.  Fruit is better than juice.  Humans are one of the very few mammals that obtain calories from liquids after weaning.)

    * Eat all the junk food you want as long as you cook it yourself.  (If you made all the french fries you ate, doing the washing, peeling, cutting, and frying, you would eat them much less often, if only because they're so much work.  Same goes for fried chicken, chips, cakes, pies, and ice cream.  Eat treats as often as you're willing to prepare them.)

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