Chemo June 2010

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  • sandiddstn
    sandiddstn Member Posts: 88
    edited September 2010

    Cheyenna it seems like it now but I will have my 12th treatment of Taxol tomorrow and I have to say it went by fast... Call me crazy but it did.. guess I am running on auto pilot.. Good luck and try not to worry to much, I know you can't help it cause I worry about the AC or the Red Devil as it is called...

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Some days I feel and sound like Richard Feder:  "A Mr. Richard Feder from Fort Lee, New Jersey writes in and says: 'Dear Roseanne Roseannadanna, Last Thursday, I quit smokin'. Now, I'm depressed, I gained weight, my face broke out, I'm nauseous, I'm constipated, my feet swelled, my gums are bleedin', my sinuses are clogged, I got heartburn, I'm cranky and I have gas. ... What should I do?' ... Mr. Feder, you sound like a real attractive guy!"

    As Rosanne would say, it's always something...If it's not one thing it's another...GERD, sensitive teeth, sores that won't heal, head aches, nausea, feeling tired, nose bleeds, rashes, on and on and on. I seem to complain all the time now.

    It was ever so funny on SNL when the complaints were from a fictional character and delivered by Gilda Radner. Thankfully I have not lost my sense of humor and can still get a chuckle out of it all. .

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited September 2010

    I have sensitive teeth too!  I thought it was from the baking soda toothpaste I started using.  I bought some toothpaste for sensitive teeth and I think its helped a little.  You're right Bon--its always something!

     Taxol (dd) #2 tomorrow and Herceptin #3.  It'll be a loooong day--and a wide awake night!  :)

    Sandiddstn-->yay for your last Taxol!

  • Jenmarie9
    Jenmarie9 Member Posts: 43
    edited September 2010

    I'm right there with all of you! Sensitive teeth & eye twitching. I'm glad its not just me ;)

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010

    Bon-  You make a great "new" Roseannadanna!  We have Mr Feder beat any day!  "I can't sleep, I itch, my teeth hurt, I twitch, I can't poop, I poop too much, I can't eat, I eat too much, my eyes are bloodshot....it's ALWAYS something".  Aren't we a sorry, strong, brave bunch! LOL

    tina-  best of luck tomorrow.  We'll be right here waiting for you.

    About those sensitive teet.  My dentist, who I adore says you have to use the Sensodyne toothpaste religiously for 2 weeks.  Then 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on etc...  I am lazy and don't like the taste, but now my teeth are really sensitive so I am going to.  Will let you all know how it goes.

  • VickyThomas
    VickyThomas Member Posts: 54
    edited September 2010

    Ladies.. I have having a horrible time.. Treatment on this past Thursday.. body aches.. vomitting, swelling, just feel like hell. haven't really slept.. don't want to be at work.. just feel exhausted.. I don't think I can go through with #4.. this is starting to take its toll on me..

  • VickyThomas
    VickyThomas Member Posts: 54
    edited September 2010

    Ladies.. I have having a horrible time.. Treatment on this past Thursday.. body aches.. vomitting, swelling, just feel like hell. haven't really slept.. don't want to be at work.. just feel exhausted.. I don't think I can go through with #4.. this is starting to take its toll on me..

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Vicky, So sorry you're having such a bad time of it. I think I can honestly say that we've all been there after one tx or another. Each tx seems to cause more or less exaggerated SEs from the last. Pardon me for not remembering, but how frequent are your tx now? Mine were every three weeks...after the first two I had about 10 or 12 bad days and then felt better. But #3 knocked the heck out of me and I wasn't feeling very well even as #4 was starting.  But I got through it. I know you can, too.

    Do you have your anti-nausea meds? If they aren't working, call your MO and ask for something else to help get the nausea under control. And ask if you can take extra strength Tylenol for the aches and pains. Have you been drinking lots? That made a world of difference for me...if I drank more and peed it out, I got the poison through my system faster. If they gave you steroids pre tx, that can account for your swelling and inability to sleep. And that, too will be helped by drinking lots to flush your system.

    Vicky, I was ready to give up after tx #1, after tx #2, after tx #3, and finally got to #4...but not without seriously considering just driving on past the chemo center.

    Take a deep breath and be good to yourself. If you don't think you can work, I hope you will be able to stay home. I know that you hear all about brave women working throughout the chemo and radiation tx. Well, I'll bet that's not the majority. Chemo is nasty...but it's helping to rid you of the cancer that got you in this mess in the first place. I know it's a tough thing to do, but think of chemo as your friend and know this is all temporary.

  • VickyThomas
    VickyThomas Member Posts: 54
    edited September 2010

    This was treatment number three with 1 to go.. I have them every two weeks. That is what is puzzling to me Bon, I am not nauseated at all. I just throw up.. for the pain he gave me vicodin, motrin and tylenol.. I haven't been drinking alot.. it seems that when I drink I throw up.. I thought I would start to feel better by now.. but I seem to have gone back into a depression and a slump.. I can't pull out off.. I cry, I am angry and mean... I just want to scream.. I had been holding it together for the most part with having good and bad days but at least I could see the light at the tunnle.. now it seems as though I am in a dark tunnel being tossed from one side to another with not light in sight.. I am in a total head spin.. and yes.. I called to cancel the last treatment..

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2010

    Hi Ladies,

    I am sorry I haven't been on board for last few days.  HB dragged me off to camping for the weekend.  It was nice but I had really hoped to just stay home and relax.  Ah well, have to keep him happy too Kiss  Anyway, I am finding that I lose some steam by Friday night (tx on Tues).  I am having a terrible time with nose bleeds.  Is anyone else having that? 

    VickyThomas - I am so sorry ths is so hard for you.  Please hang on!  The #3 AC tx was the hardest for me too.  I so hope you will reconsider and reschedule that #4 tx.  Mine was much better and hopefully yours will be too. 

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Vicky, Some of your vomiting could be due to the vicodin, if your've been taking that. I cannot tolerate any of the standard pain meds because they make me vomit and a bit loopy, plus they drop my BP. So I'm stuck with just tylenol. I don't know of anyone taking advil or motrin but if you take that I wouldn't think you'd be taking tylenol, too. Med combos are notorious for making people vomit.  I also got to the point that water made me vomit.I had to switch to flat ginger ale and very dilute juice or decaffeinated iced tea. If I went back to water I'd vomit.Try the ginger ale...I did the diet type so as not to add too all that sugar.

    Vicky, Don't cancel, that last appointment. It will get better and you've come so far. Honestly, you can do this. Only 1 more to go to get the full effect of the chemo and fight that cancer devil. 

  • gingersfavorite1
    gingersfavorite1 Member Posts: 273
    edited September 2010

    Vicky,    Vicodin made me throw up - I cannot take it.    So I'm wondering if that might be the problem, instead of the chemo itself.     This was your 3rd treatment of what drug  (sorry I don't remember if you've mentioned it before).

    Is there a friend that could hang out with you / lift your spirits for a bit?    Renting / watching funny movies?     I'm sorry you're having such a hard time  {hugs} 

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010
    grney5600..If you have been taking advil or motrin or any of those non-steroidal anti-inflammatory meds, they can be the culprits. Tylenol isn't know to 'thin' the blood so it's the only OTC NSAI my docs will allow with the chemo and surgeries. My nose bleeds have tapered off a bit but I'm still caught off guard sometimes. Without any nose hairs, my nose runs and if I blow or sneeze sometimes blood will gush...it's very attractive, right?
  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited September 2010

    Nose bleeds for me too... always feel like I have a runny nose. I've lost almost all of my eyebrows...

    For those of you who have taken time off from work- how soon do you plan to go back?

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited September 2010

    Bon - I am not taking Tylenol or anything like that.  Actually when I switched to the Taxol regime onc told me to do ifebrophen if I needed it.  I haven't really needed any so I haven't.  I am in the clinical trial for Avistan and it appears somethimes that is a SE for that as well. 

    RS711 - I am doing my best to work through chemo.  I still miss a day a week because of being tired after the TX.  We are moving my chemo to Thurs starting this week (had been on Tues) to see if I can make it through.  Next week is our annual conference and my Onc says I can attend.  I am VERY anxious about it because it means a flight and being around everyone from the company for the first time.  I usually travel via planes a lot (out on Monday and back on Thurs) but haven't done that type of travel since the surgery in April.  My company has let me work from home as much as possible which has been a blessing.  If I had to go into an office every day I don't know that I could have gone back to work so soon (only missed 6 weeks because BS wouldn't release me until the drains were out from my Bi-lat).

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010

    vicky-  I agree with Bon, you may be throwing up from your pain med.  I violently vomit if I take codeine, I think Vicodin is codeine based, not sure.  It sounds like you are on a lot of meds and you may be having SE from them, not just chemo.  Do you get your prescriptions from one pharmacist?  I only go to one place and have become very friendly with my pharmacist.  I have asked him several times to review ALL my medications (of course he knows what chemo I am on now too).  I find the pharmacists are actually better and more knowledgeable than the doctors when it comes to drugs (their specialty).  My pharmacist actually called my oral surgeon because the surgeon automatically prescribed a codeine pain killer (though my chart said I was allergic).  I'm glad the pharmacist caught the mistake. I have a feeling that not only are your emotions overwhelmed (understandably), your body is too.  Definitely call your MO and tell them you are vomiting and not getting a lot of fluids and wonder if the Vicodin could be causing this. They may want you to come in and get some IV fluids which might help immediately. Rather than canceling your last chemo, could you just postpone that decision?  You can always cancel it the day before!  I'm afraid if you make that decision, you will become totally entrenched and not consider doing it.  Also, I can't remember where I read it, but I think that if you don't complete ALL the chemo cycles, it is almost as if you did not do it at all (as far as benefits).  I would hate to think that you went through this misery for nothing.  I sure hope you can get time off of work, I'm sure that is impossible in your condition.  If your employer can not provide temporary disability, perhaps your state can?  I think there are options. Also, I am seeing that you are triple negative, so I think the chemo is even more important.  Maybe some of the triple neg ladies can speak to that.   Praying for you Vicky.  Come back here and talk to us and we will try to help.

    For all you ladies wondering about drug interactions, I have found this site helpful.  http://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php   You just type in any meds and it spot checks their interactions together.  You need to know the complete name of your chemo (Cytoxan, not just C).  I think it may even check interactions with food.  I think a pharmacist is more knowledgeable, but this is a good "spot check".

    Jackie-  Oh you are a better woman than me!  Motorcycles!  Camping!  Horseflies!  Don't over do the travel thing.  You are still probably immune compromised.  How are your blood counts?  Might give you reassurance or more need for caution.  My white counts were only 900 last Friday before chemo and I went ahead anyway so by now they may be lower yet.  I am the "germ cop" big time right now. I'm trying to avoid crowds, kids etc...  Nothing like being paranoid!

  • lizzyanne
    lizzyanne Member Posts: 73
    edited September 2010

    BON -the first time I was caught without a hat was when I requested a replacement window estimate and the guy showed up about 15 minutes early. He pulled into my driveway while I was watering a plant and it was too late to duck inside. When he stepped out of his car - he was as bald as I was...he and I both had a good laugh about that. I never wear a scarf or hat in the house unless I am cold. My wig also annoys me so I only wear it if I am going someplace special. One of my grandkids is also afraid of me without the hair,so I wear it when I see her. 

    Glad things are going better for your mom. 

    Had my 2nd Taxol/Herceptin last Friday. My hemoglobin was back up to 10 after the transfusion so- all went well - 10 more to go - YUCK!  

    Acne and herceptin? I saw a woman at chemo whose face was really broken out. I wonder if she was on the herceptin. I am noticing that my skin is getting drier and more ruddy looking since starting this treatment. Not looking forward to breaking out like I did in my teens...at least then I had a great head of hair! LOL

    Advice for AC TX - take the meds before you feel nausea and other side effects, it really helps.

    Hugs to all you brave ladies. 

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited September 2010

    vicky,hang in there baby!!! think of those babies, one more lady then your done!!!! omg, just one more!! you can do it!!!! im so sorry your feeling bad.. i always throw up on vicodin, i have had to ask for Darveset instead,

    thinking of you,

    love chey

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited September 2010

    Hi Vicky!  So sorry you are having such a rough time!  Definitely call your onc.  I've heard getting IV fluids can make a person feel MUCH better!  Ibuprofen is tough on the stomach too, so only take it with food--NEVER on an empty stomach!  And vicodin didn't work for me so I take Percocet (which is oxycodone with Tylenol).  It works really well for me--no stomach upset.  I hope you can get this figured out and feel better!  The flat gingerale sounds like a good idea too--it might help your stomach.

    I had my 2nd taxol and Herceptin today.  Loooong day!  7 hours we were there.  I got a new scrip for more percocet to take for the pain.  Onc told me the pain is usually worse with the dd Taxol.  Onc nurse hadn't heard of using ice on nails, and I told her I didn't really want to mess with that anyway.  She said she was going to read up on it.  Neuropathy is a little worse, and the onc expected that.  My hemoglobin is finally starting to creep back up.  It was 10.2 today--up from 9.9 last time--I think it was 9.2 before that.  Platelets were fine too, so I can take ibuprofen, if needed.

    The benedryl hit me hard today!  Very woozy and a little nausea--like motion sickness.  Nurse said next time we will slow down the drip, even though I'll only be getting 1/2 the dose.  Only 2 more to go--this time I'm praying I'll NEVER have to have chemo again!!

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited September 2010

    Someone asked about taking time off from work.  With my tx last year for colon cancer I tried working through chemo, and I kept waking up nauseated, or tired, and had to call in sick.  The teachers and students I work with need more consistencay (I feel), and I was very stressed out about it.  I finally took a leave, and felt soooo relieved not to have to try to make it to work.  So this time I took a leave right away.  There was NO way I could have worked through the AC!  With the Taxol, I could probably work a few days here and there, but when I'm done with this I have to do 6 weeks of rads, and physically I'm pretty weak, so I'm not going back until a few weeks after rads.  My job is just too demanding, and I want some time to just "feel good" and enjoy life for a week or two!

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010
    Yeah for TMarina!!!!!  You are truly inspirational. Only two more chemo tx to go...will will have to have a huge cyber-party for that!  Hope the SEs stay away. Bon
  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited September 2010

    # 3 Taxol, done!!! wow to think only 9 more to go.lol well at least im in the single digits now. i asked to cut my benadryl down from 25 to 15 dose it was too much, i dont like feeling that tired also i asked they give me no more ativan i get to loopy, so they did.... Taxol was turned up 100% to start and no reactions so i was outa there in an hour and a half, all blood looked good, all with in range but dropping, eeeek, all in all it went well, i had a good attitude,

    Tmarina, i thought of you today, two more to go!!! good job lady, your almost there!!! wish i was that close'

    love to all Chey

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited September 2010

    Yay Chey!!  Good to hear from you!!  You sound so good!!  It seems the weekly Taxol is a bit easier, so hopefully that makes doing more tx easier.  You can do this--you ARE doing it! Laughing

    Are you going back to Mondays?  I am.

    Thanks Bon!! :-)))

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Oh, Chey...you sound so positive!  Good for you!  Only 9 more to go...now I just know when you are done this whole group will burst into loud raucous cheers!  We can't wait for you to be done with chemo and move forward. Yeah for you!

  • Trusting
    Trusting Member Posts: 43
    edited September 2010

    Hi All,

    Well I just came back from a week in the hospital for Febrile Neutropenia after my first Docetaxol infusion. It was about a week after my Docetaxol that I developed the febrile neutropenia and let me tell you it is life threatening. I do not know if the 2 events are related or not. I had a huge Temp and a couple hours more I would have went septic and shall we say I probably would not be here now, I came home today and have too watch my Temp closely. So wish me good luck. 

    Take care,

    Trusting

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited September 2010

    Wow I can hardly believe it is September.  We have all been through so much since June.  And to think we have made it this far!!  We are all getting through it, it will all be a memory sooooon.  I can't believe it, I will be done in October, that is next month.  I didn't think I would ever be able to say that.  When this all started it seemed like I would never get through it as I am sure everyone else here felt the same way.  But look we are getting through it, and we can soon say that WE DID GET THROUGH IT.  It has been hard as h*** but we are doing it.  We may feel like sh** and look like bald old men haha but hey we are getting through it!!  We are all brave warriors winning our battle against breast cancer and we will be victorious!!  Everyone of you wonderful, brave ladies, give yourselves a pat on the back and be proud of who you are!!!! 

    You are all always in my thoughts and prayers!!!!Kiss

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Trusting...I'm so sorry that happened to you. And you can believe it's related to the Taxotere. My first Taxotere dropped my white count from over 15 to just under 2. Febrile neutorpenia is an abnormally low number of neutrophil granulocytes that are a sort of white blood cell. That's why docs now give Neulasta within 24 hrs of the Taxotere, to keep those cells up and avoid what happened to you. And that's also the reason they don't want us taking any non-steroidal anti-inflammatory because they don't want to mask any fevers that might crop up. Glad they caught it in time and that you are now on the mend.

    After this, your other tx will be a breeze!  All the best to you. 

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited September 2010

    Question...anyone know how long you can wait between chemo and radiation? I've gone hunting on the Internet and have seen everything from two to six weeks. Tomorrow I'll be two weeks past last chemo and have my consult appointment with the radiation oncologist at 2:30. I know there is some rigmarole to go thorough to get started on radiation, tattooing and all that. I'm just too busy this next couple of weeks to begin the 5 day a week routine. I'm wanting to delay the start of rads tx until at least the 20th, better yet the 27th. Anyone have any ideas on this?

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010

    Oh what a roller coaster!  Such good news and then such bad news all in a few posts!

    tmarina- Yes, girlfriend, you are almost done and I pray to God you will never, never have to look at chemo again!

    cheyenna- I am SO proud of you!  I think you are turning this thing around, you are positive and upbeat and IN THE SINGLE DIGITS whoo hoo!

    trusting- I can't find words for what you must be going through!  Please monitor your temp carefully and if it spikes, get back in to the doctor.  This must be very scary.  I'll keep you in my prayers.

    Bon- Okay, knowing that my own white count is below 900, should I be getting a Neulasta shot?  Are there SE from it?  I sure don't want to end up in the hospital!  My Onc mentioned Neulasta, but didn't insist on it and gave me chemo anyway, even with my low count.  Of course I am behaving like a total shut-in, avoiding everyone, not allowing people over so maybe it's okay?

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited September 2010
    Bon-I'm meeting with my rads Onc next week, the following week they do the simulation.  I have a feeling I get tatooed then?  I know he told me they needed a few weeks to work with the Physics department (I believe) to map and plan my dosage?  I know it takes a few weeks for them to get things ready so you might want to try and squeeze your simulation in somehow.  You probably wouldn't start for a while after that.

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