2005 ROCK-TOBER CHEMO GIRLS

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  • kapensy
    kapensy Member Posts: 21
    edited October 2005
    End of 2nd week after first chemo treatment. My next one is next Friday. Feeling very very tired the last two days and just "off"; but functioning okay - good luck to those of you starting this next week!!

    God Bless,
    Lynn
  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited October 2005

    I am supposed to start. Anyone know if AC followed by T is the right plan for node negative/er negative, invasive ductal, 2 cm...?????? One doctor says CAF and the other one says AC followed by T. Am going for a third opinion...

  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited October 2005
    Ravdeb... Hi... I am a June 2005 chemo chick!

    I am similar to you... though 1.8 cm tumor. I had the AC - T treatment. I think it's considered to be a very good option.

    Just ask your doctors why they prefer one over the other. Maybe that will help you make the choice. It's tough... and I don't really believe there is a "correct" answer as I bet they both work very well.

    Good luck to you!!
  • TracySeattle
    TracySeattle Member Posts: 690
    edited October 2005
    I am getting a cut on the 21st so that I can have a fun, short and spikey do for a couple of weeks before the actual shave. My first treatment is on 10/28, so my shave will be around 11/11!!

    Good Job to all of you that started chemo this week! You are encouraging me a lot!!!

    Love you all!
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Member Posts: 109
    edited October 2005
    Quote:

    So many of you starting this week--my thoughts are with all of you. I had an iron IV last week--only takes about 45 minutes--didn't feel anything.




    Hmmmm. Had my second iron IV today and it took 2-1/2 hours. The one yesterday took 3 hours because they did a test run on me with a small amount. They drip it in real slow at my cancer center--not sure why.
    Jane
  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited October 2005

    Hi Dana,
    How were your side effects from the T???? I heard they can be pretty awful.
    Ravdeb
  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited October 2005
    With your node negative, are you also er negative? I am and am going for a third consultation as to having AC - T or CAF. My tumor is 2 cm and I'm perimenapausal. I'm in a state of huge anxiety trying to figure this out since I need to start chemo in a week's time and still no answer as to which type to do!!!!
    ravdeb
  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited October 2005
    Hi ladies. I'm so inspired by your courage and determination! After reading you posts I'm starting to think I too can do this. But I'm still in shock, everyday I wake up and want to cry as soon as I realize this is not a nightmare!

    I had a lumpectomy with AND on 9/21. Diagnosis: IDC intermediate, grade II, ER/PR+ Her2-, 4/14 lymph nodes +. One of the margins was not clean (MD said it's too close for confort). So I'll be undergoing a re-lumpectomy next Friday 10/21/05. Then is off to chemo on Nov 11 (Veterans day!), not looking forward to it but I know it has to be done. I'm only 42 y/o with a 7 y/o son and husband that need me.

    Chemo protocol will consist of 5-FU, Epirubicin and Cytoxan x 3 /3 wks followed by taxotere x 3/3wks.
    I'm not sure what to expect (other than hair loss and weight gain). Anyone undergoing/gone thru similiar treatments? I've read the threads but not used to all the accronyms yet.

    At what point does it all sink in?!

    Hugs to you all. Thank you!
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited October 2005
    Ravdeb... Yes, I am triple negative. ER/PR/HER2... all negaitve. I was also premenopausal. I just turned 36 on Sept. 9. However, the Chemo did put me into "chemopause" but I bet it won't be permanent. I'm hoping that my ovaries start working again soon! I want a gradual slide into menopause the next time!

    Taxol was quite easy for me. I had muscle pain on days 3-5, but after the first treatment I told my Oncologist and he gave me Darvocet at my request. I took it preemptively starting on Day 3 and the pain was always VERY mild if I had any at all. (I think!) Believe it or not... you do forget about those bad days!

    About 3 weeks after finishing chemo, I started to notice that my feet seemed tingly mostly by evening and at night. My legs are also quite achey at night. I'm thinking that it's the Taxol still doing it's thing. It's not bad, and it doesn't keep me from doing anything... just another strange thing happening to my body.

    I hope it helps a little to know that YOU ARE NOT ALONE! So many brave women have gone through this and are going through it right along with you. The neat thing about this site is that we actually get to "meet" those women and we gain strength through our shared journey. I'm very happy I live in a day where technology allows me so many luxuries!

    Hugs to you all!
  • Sally12219
    Sally12219 Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2005
    Good morning. I have been reading this thread and thought it was time to join. I have IDC with lobular features, 1.9 cm. stage 1, ER+, PR-, HER-, 14/14 clear nodes. I had a mastectomy w/reconstruction (rt)and reduction (left) on 8-25. I was originally scheduled, and on the table for a lumpectomy on 8-9. I had lobbied for an mri, and it came back with two suspicious spots. I then went for the mast. The spots were negative, but I felt I had done the right thing.
    My oncologist said just the Arimidex, but we opted for chemo too. I am doing AC, four treatments. I had the first on 9-30. I went yesterday for blood work and all looks good. I am feeling pretty good so far, just some mouth tenderness and killer heartburn. The onc gave me a script for Prilosec and so far so good. My son recommended ginger chews for nausea, I ordered them so we will see.
    Hair day may be today. My scalp is tender and tingly. My husband says it is a badge of courage and wear that bandana proudly. He has been a rock. I found lots of bandanas at a craft store. Who knew?
    I am 57, retired, 2 adult children, one grandson. I feel blessed to not have any responsibilities in my life right now and can concentrate on my health.
    You are all so inspiring to me. Hold my hand while my hair comes out please--I know what my 9th grade civics teacher said is true--anticipation is greater than realization.

    Sally
  • ruths2
    ruths2 Member Posts: 78
    edited October 2005
    Hi all-
    Had AC#2 yesterday. It went ok though I was very tired and a bit quesy all day. Woke up this morning feeling pretty good, but when I washed mt hair it started coming out in big handfuls. I guess today is the day for a buzz cut. A couple of mt friends are coming over to help me out with that. Ahhhhh!!!

    I also had to give myself my Nulasta shot this morning. It's my first time with givng myself a shot and it was a little wierd but doable. There are sure a lot of "firsts" in the treatment world, aren't there?

    On top of all that I got me period yesterday. From what I read this might be my last one. I guess that really wouldn't be so bad..

    Antway, it's good to have this place to talk about these medical things. I sometimes worry that I sound like an old woman going on and on about my health when I share with others.

    Thanks for being there.

    -Ruth
  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited October 2005
    Did you have injections with the Taxol and if so, how often did you need them?
    THANKS! I'm a bundle of nerves and can't sleep at night!!!!
    ravdeb
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Member Posts: 109
    edited October 2005
    Okay, it's day number 8 after my first AC treatment and I actually feel almost normal. The oncologist prescribed Prevacid for my severe heartburn and Ambien as a sleep aid. I took one Ambien before bed last night and even though I didn't sleep all through the night, I slept more than I have in a long time--so a good thing. Also, the Prevacid seems to be handling my acid stomach.

    I finally went shopping for a wig yesterday. I tentatively chose a shoulder-length brunette human hair wig with some red highlights in it. It's actually a bit darker than my current shade. I will go get it styled and complete payment after I get the head-shave--which the wig salon will do if I want them to. I haven't quite decided when to do the head shave. I thought my 7 year old might want to be there when I get my head shaved, but she said no today. My husband said he would shave it if I wanted him to. I think I'll wait until it starts falling out and then make a decision (husband or salon).
    Jane
  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited October 2005
    Hi I am just checking in on everyone... Hope all of you who started chemo are doing well and drinking your water and keeping your stomachs full!

    The question about ER/PR neg and node neg and chemo...

    In the past they used to only follow with the T- Taxol or Taxotere- if you had a positive node or a more "aggressive" type cancer. Please note that I use the word HAD- your cancer is out of your body now- it isn't hanging around anymore! This is just the clean up crew!

    Having ER/PR negative receptors is considered a more aggressive feature- however er/pr neg cancers are more repsonsive to chemo!

    One doc could want to do the T for that reason and the other could want to skip the T and do CAF because your nodes were negative.

    Find out the reasons why, get the info on your pathology report. I would be happy to translate it for you.

    But you shouldn't worry- both are excellent chemos and they both WORK!

    Hang in there girls! It isn't forever- I promise!!!!
  • ake
    ake Member Posts: 684
    edited October 2005
    Well, I made it through my first weekend of chemo (almost...it's Sunday after all). I felt queasy on day one and then completely wiped out yesterday...all of a sudden, I didn't have any energy. Now, I'm feeling tired, but okay. Actually going to go to my in-laws for dinner tonight.

    Friday is the day my head is shaved...my husband and I watched GI Jane last night and we got all empwered and motivated!

    I'm eating prunes and taking Colaesce...any suggestions for the chemo constipation?

    Also, random question...how do our doctors know chemo is working? Is it just working? I sometimes overthink things, but I've had that on my mind.

    -Amy
  • sherryhaire
    sherryhaire Member Posts: 192
    edited October 2005

    Well, I picked up my "Critter" yesterday (my wig) it really isn't so bad I guess just not my hair, Also found a few hats to play with, so when my hair decides to leave I guess i am ready. 11 days out from first chemo feeling pretty good hope it lasts until the next one hope everyone is having a good weekend.

  • ake
    ake Member Posts: 684
    edited October 2005
    one more question...I was supposed to get my period this past Wed...right before my first chemo...I still haven't gotten it...is it ever going to come now that I'm in chemo?

    -amy
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited October 2005
    Ravdeb... I had Neulasta shots 24 hours after each of my 8 chemo treatments. My WBC's were always in good shape. I did not have any pain from the Neulasta shot either. I know some people do have some achiness from it but it never did that to me.

    If you're having trouble sleeping you should talk to your Oncologist. Always share your concerns with him/her. They need to know and will be able to prescribe you something to help you out.

    For me, I haven't slept a full night since I found my lump in March! At first, my mind was just too busy with worry, etc., then the chemo side efftects kept me up, and now it's the darn hot flashes that wake me up many times a night! LOL! I keep saying that if this doesn't get better I'll ask for a sleep aid... maybe I'll get to that point. There's no shame in asking for what you need! This is not an easy situation to deal with and your Oncologist will understand that.

    HUGS to you all!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2005
    Hi,
    Just checking in. Mostly horizontal on days 3 and 4 after first chemo. Remembering to brush teeth between meals I am forcing myself to eat. Good luck to everyone else.
  • karlahook
    karlahook Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2005
    I was just diagnosed last week with invasive ductal carcinoma...stage two or possibly stage 3. The biopsy showed cancer in lymphnodes too. I've decided on a lumpectomy. Doctor recommended chemo before surgery to reduce the the size of the cancer. I see the oncologist tomorrow to dicuss the type of chemo and schedule day surgery for the port. Any others here that had chemo before surgery?

    Karla Hook
    Grapevine, TX
  • TracySeattle
    TracySeattle Member Posts: 690
    edited October 2005
    I met with the Naturopathic Dr. at my Cancer Center on Thursday. She told me what I should be eating to boost my Immune system in preparation for chemo and to help my blood count during chemo. First of all, she told me to eat ONLY organic meat, eggs and dairy. Vegetables would be good too, but not as important as the meat & dairy. 10 servings of fruits & vegetables a day covering all of the colors (Red, yellow, orange, Dark Green and Black). She mentioned that Greens such as spinich, collard, mustard, and kale are extremely important. She also said to take a Fish Oil supplement, Flax Seed Oil, Multi-Vitamin and 1000mg of Calcium & Magnesium daily. When eating is tough during chemo, she said to get Whey Protien Powder (GNC Nutrition stores carry it) and put it in smoothies, on my oatmeal or in my yogurt.

    I bought a bunch of greens today and put them in the spaghetti sauce I made for dinner. I also plan to experiement with sauteing the kale, collard and mustard greens with olive oil & garlic and then tossing them with a bit of vinegar. Spinich and Arugula make great salads....

    Hope maybe this info will help all of you.
  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited October 2005
    Karla - starting chemo before surgery is called neo-adjuvant therapy. It is a great way to shrink your tumor and it also shows how well your body responds to the chemo. Oftentimes they have to put in a marker where the tumor was because the chemo shrinks it so much they can't find it!
    I have a friend who had a 9 cm tumor and she did neo-adjuvant chemo and was able to have a lumpectomy because it was less than 1 cm by the time she was done. She and I were diagnosed together- that was four years ago and we are both doing fine!

    Tracy, please speak to your oncologist about taking vitamins and supplements while you are on chemo. Every doctor I know says that we should not. You see, chemo is an "oxidant" - if you are taking "anti-oxidants" you are protecting the cells that the chemo is trying to get at to kill the cancer in them. Certain vitamins actually work against chemo. Folic acid and methotrexate is one example. Methotrexate works by destroying the folic acid in a cancer cell. Folic acid is a vital component in helping a cell divide and live. If you protect it by adding folic acid then the cancer cell is also protected and can keep dividing and growing.
    You want to be without any bullet proof vests here- you want the chemo to do everything it is supposed to do- take no prisoners! BTW- Methotrexate is what people get in CMF and also is a form of Xeloda.

    Please check first. If you are going to go through this- kill all the suckers- don't help them!
  • Nancy-SanDiego
    Nancy-SanDiego Member Posts: 127
    edited October 2005

    My dentist recommended I use a fluoride rinse during chemo to protect teeth. Its called ACT.

  • Nancy-SanDiego
    Nancy-SanDiego Member Posts: 127
    edited October 2005

    Serendipity, many people have an adverse reaction to iron so they give it to you over a long period of time to make sure you're OK. I've been getting iron infusions for 10 years+ so we've worked down from several hours to 45 minutes. How ironic that I have been seeing an oncologist for 10 years for iron only, What a different conversation we have these days. Good luck with the iron--should help us.

  • TracySeattle
    TracySeattle Member Posts: 690
    edited October 2005
    No Surrender,
    Thanks for the concern regarding the vitamins. The Dr. that told me this is part of the Cancer Center where I get my Chemo. She is associated with my Oncologist and works closely with him. We did talk about what I could not take, but she said that the multivitamin and calcium/magnesium are OK. She also said that flax seed oil and fish oil are OK. In addition, she was not concerned about the fact that I eat soy. I will double check with the Oncologist just to make sure, but since they are both associated with the cancer center and work together I am assuming that they have considered my chemo.... It is always good to double check and I will do that.
  • scared2
    scared2 Member Posts: 9
    edited October 2005
    Hi
    Just want to up date ,start chemo on Wed. does it ever get less scary.I can't stand the thought of no hair .Everyone says its going to grow back in but that doesn't help right now . I guess by now you can tell I'm not handling this very well ,so far I can't even let my husband see my scar .I don't know how I'll handle the bald thing. Will anything ever get back to the way it used to be .
  • ake
    ake Member Posts: 684
    edited October 2005
    sistersister,

    Hang in there and good luck with chemo on Wed. I just had my first chemo this past Thursday and besides from feeling tired and being a little sick to my stomach, it was overrated. Honestly, I was excited to get it because now I'm truly fighting back.

    I still have a very hard time showing my husband my scars from my bilateral mast and reconstruction even though he keeps telling me he doesn't care and I know he's sincere. I'm shaving my head on Friday and I keep asking him if he will still find me beautiful, even though I know he will. I think it's more about how I feel about myself. So, I'm buying sassy scarves to wear with cool chandelier earrings and I have a cool wig and I'm trying to dress up and make myself feel to myself that I'm still pretty regardless of this breast cancer. I'm nervous to not have hair...its my favorite physical trait, but I don't have a choice. It still is scary, but I think it's more because it's like I finally come out to people that I'm in chemo...it makes it all real..I worry about sad looks, but you know what? I'm going to try to stay empowered and just get through this chemo stuff. I would gladly give up my hair to never worry about cancer in my life again.

    Things will one day feel normal again...my oncologist told me it takes a year, psychologically, from the day you were diagnosed to feel like yourself again. But, I still try to find ways to feel like myself like going out with friends, having "non-cancer" days when I don't try to talk about it or think about it, being outside, cuddling with my husband and telling myself scars and baldness don't mean a thing as long as I get healthy.

    You're getting chemo on Wed. and that is how you are going to put everything finally behind you...by kicking this diagnosis in the rear end!


    Hang in there...you'll do great on Wed.!!!

    -Amy
  • oldsambvca
    oldsambvca Member Posts: 22
    edited October 2005
    Had a pretty good weekend, but slept through most of it. The kids (6&8) helped with the housework, and MIL helped with the kids. DH is so wonderful! He made sure I rested and "was not bothered".

    My hair has started thinning -- everywhere, if you know what I mean! Asked DH to shave my head tonight, but he won't do it. A friend is coming over and will help me with it. Still kind of freaking about it, but I think it will be a bigger mess and bother me more if I just wait for it to fall out on its own. The ladies at work said "Your hair is still so thick . . . don't shave it! Just wait until you see bald spots, then shave." Right. Like I want to see bald spots in the middle of all of this thick hair! I hope my bangs come in the mail today!
  • marymelodi
    marymelodi Member Posts: 515
    edited October 2005
    I want to thank Tracy for welcoming me to this thread. I'll be starting chemo on the same day as she, Oct. 28. I'm am learning what to anticipate from your postings. I haven't yert got an appointment to cut my 32 inches of hair. I'm going to miss the buns and twists that I am used to wearing. I want it to be short when it starts falling out so it is not such a shock. And, I plan to donate my long hair to Locks of Love. I'm hoping it will help make some kid's battle with cancer a little easier.

    One thing that I'm worrying about is that now that surgery is over, my good supports are going to dry up. Right after surgery there were cards in the mail, baked goods, phone calls, etc. But now that the "crisis" is over, and the long, day-to-day journey is about to begin, I wonder who will show up to encouage me and help along the way. I even have doubts about my husband. Also, have any of you had people, who know nothing about cancer, say insensitive things to you, like "Don't worry about it, everything will be fine." How do they know? Somethimes I think this is going to a lonely, lonely time.
    marymelodi
  • Sally12219
    Sally12219 Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2005
    Hi girls, I too am having the hair thing. I started to have fall-out on Saturday. It was the 15th day after my first chemo. I went out on the porch this morning to comb it and got a lot in the comb. More came out in the shower. It even seems to look lifeless. My DH said he would shave it, but I think I will call my hairdresser tomorrow. She always gives you a hug when you come and leave. Her Mom and sister both had BC so she knows what it's like. This is dumb but this feels worse than most of the stuff I've been thru. Maybe because it is more visible? Once it's done maybe I will feel better.

    It surely helps that you are all here and in the same leaky boat I'm in!

    Did anyone see Melissa Etheridge last night on Dateline? I wonder what stage she was and what kind of chemo? I did not get very sick at least the first time. She looked great and has a good attitude.

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