Dairy products

lamuso
lamuso Member Posts: 123

How do you er pr+ gals handle eating dairy products?  Cheese is my favorite food in the world.  All kinds....especially cottage cheese.  I don't drink milk, I eat very little meat and I buy organic eggs but haven't decided how to feed my cheese addiction.  A small carton of oragnic cottage cheese at my local co-op will cost me almost 6.00. Any thoughts on the importance of limiting this in our diets?

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  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    I can't help, but I hope someone has some ideas, because cheese is my biggest vice, I think!

    I'm on chemo right now and not eating much of it, though, because my stomach isn't agreeing with it at all...

  • Survivor07
    Survivor07 Member Posts: 71
    edited May 2010

    I eat a lot of cheese and drink a lot of milk...didn't know I wasn't supposed to?

  • lamuso
    lamuso Member Posts: 123
    edited May 2010

    I think we are suppose to be careful because the cows are injected with the same hormones that brought about our cancer.  I think I'm right on this..... if someone else knows anything please share with us.  As I said, the organic cheese is priced so high it is hard to buy weekly.  Six slices of cheese can run up to 5 or 6 dollars.  I too love cheese and could consist on it alone.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited May 2010

    Monsanto quit the rbGH biz as too many people clammered they wanted rbGH-free milk.

    Cheese should be my middle name....I do eat a lot of goat and grass fed cow milk cheese.

  • MontanaHiline
    MontanaHiline Member Posts: 19
    edited May 2010
    If you are interested in the ultimate cheese indulgence, try www.fromages.com - I got a free shipping offer from them & spent $60 on an incredible assortment shipped from France.   I only gained 3 lbs and felt really, really happy while eating it all!  Don't let BC rob you of all life's pleasures.
  • Alicia70598
    Alicia70598 Member Posts: 191
    edited May 2010

    At Sloan-Kettering, the dietician said that while there's no proof that growth hormones can cause cancer, she advises getting hormone-free dairy products. She also suggests low-fat for dairy.

  • idaho
    idaho Member Posts: 1,187
    edited May 2010

    I am lactose intolerant .... can't eat any dairy. And yet...here I am.   Go figure.  Tami

  • lamuso
    lamuso Member Posts: 123
    edited May 2010

    Montanahiline... I just may order that cheese!  Your post gave me a huge smile.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited May 2010

    Those cheeses look incredible!!  Too bad it looks like they don't ship to the US ....sigh...

    maybe a blessing in disguise Surprised

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited May 2010

    I am er pr positive and my Oncologist never said to quit eating cheese or dairy of any kind...my cholesterol is high though so I watch it...

  • MontanaHiline
    MontanaHiline Member Posts: 19
    edited May 2010

    lamuso - The hardest part of ordering is trying to decide on which ones!

    wallycat - Unfortunately, they do ship to USA & sometimes they even offer free shipping.   Darn it!

    I have been watching the Euro - $ exchange rate & it seems to get more favorable every day.  I have to get a cholesterol test later this month & have been trying to exercise like a fiend .....but, I will probably give-in to temptation again as soon as my blood is in the test tube. 

    nowords - Hurray for Crestor!

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited June 2010

    Besides the huge amount of fat, the other reason to avoid cheese is that casein, which is the main protein in cheese, is thought to promote the growth of cancer.  This was shown in lab studies, but not in clinical trials, so you won't hear it from doctors or dietitians.  And it probably never will be proven that way - really, who is going to pay for a study that shows we should stop eating cheese?  No one stands to benefit financially from that information.  The research was done by T. Colin Campbell and is covered in his book The China Study.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/a-cure-for-cancer-eating_b_298282.html

    I've also seen studies that show that whey protein, which is the other protein in milk, actually inhibits cancer growth.  If you do start eating whey protein for that reason it should be cross-flow microfiltered (CFM) whey isolate.  Jay Robb brand is processed that way.  Every morning I have a smoothie made with organic frozen berries, strawberry flavor whey, greens powder and matcha (green tea powder).  It's good and just feels like a health bomb to start the day!

    I don't eat meat and relied HEAVILY on cheese for years - I loved it!  I would eat cheese sometimes at every meal.  I quit cold turkey last summer and I don't really even miss it that much now.  If I do want a cheesy subsitute there is a new one available in regular grocery stores called Daiya.  It's pretty good, and it's made from tapioca, not soy, which I know a lot of us want to avoid as well.

  • lamuso
    lamuso Member Posts: 123
    edited June 2010

    Thanks Rabbit_fan for the info on cheese.  I also don't eat meat or at least very little of it.  Cheese has been a stable in my meals and I pretty much eat it with everything.  I have begun buying organic cheese but I suppose it really doesn't help casein issue.  I really don't want to stop eating cheese.  I don't drink milk..... not sure what to do with this information but thanks for your imput.

  • Jalsmama55
    Jalsmama55 Member Posts: 104
    edited September 2010

    Just some additional info on hormones,dairy etc.. The hormone concerns arent just for non organic meat, dairy etc.. Cows are usually milked most while theyre pregnant which means they have the highest levels of estrogen at that time.. That natural estrogen is passed on to the milk and then we ingest it. Our liver may not always be efficent enough to filter the estrogen properly therefore alot of it is absorbed and makes our hormones spike.. Thats the reason for no alcohol.. alcohol inhibits the liver to do its job properly and it isnt as efficient in filtering the toxins etc that we take in. Whether organic or not, dairy DOES contain natural hormones. What ive done is limit my dairy to treats and get alot of protein from soy products. any animal protein is going to contain natural hormones. Organic meat and products just dont have extra injected into the animals..  Hope this helps a bit..  Healing thoughts for all! XOXOXO

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    I never heard anything about this cheese and dairy problem.  Do I just have a stupid Onc or maybe he just doesn't want to have to read any more than necessary??  Next time I see him, I am going to get his opinion on this stuff.  I was always told "no soy" but anything else I want within limits.  I have to drink milk and eat yougart to protect my bones since I am on Arimidex but now we have the cheese scare???  It's hard enough to cope with bc and all the rest without having to be afraid to get a slice of cheese!!

  • dutchgirl6
    dutchgirl6 Member Posts: 673
    edited September 2010

    I know that here in Canada, dairy cows are not treated with hormones, so our dairy products are hormone free.  In any case, as I understand it, the hormones used on cows are growth hormones, designed to make beef cattle grow faster so that they can be processed at a younger age. 

  • Cydz
    Cydz Member Posts: 157
    edited September 2010

    I don't have ILC, but rather IDC, hope it is ok to pop in my two cents. I was a total cheese addict, and as a vegetarian, I ate a lot of it! I started seeing a Chinese medicine doctor to complement my regular treatments right after my dx. The first thing she told me to do was to stop eating dairy. In Chinese medicine, dairy contributes to a "mucous state" which can lead directly to cancer. I know when I stopped, I immediately became less puffy and my skin became very clear. Of course, when you stop eating dairy, you have to ramp up your vit. D, which is becoming clearly more important anyway. 

  • sgreenarch
    sgreenarch Member Posts: 528
    edited September 2010

    HI, All. I"m so new at this, it feels funny to be weighing in on something, but this dairy issue is something I feel strongly about. I had a hysterectomy 2.5 years ago due to a mammoth fibroid that was impacting urination. Then comes this BC dx. I then reread in a book I've had by Dr. Andrew Weil (you can google him, I like his health and nutrition advice) about eating right, where he says that hormones in dairy products MAY contribute to these estrogen driven abnormal growths. I didn't need to hear more than that and it was the first time post diagnosis that I actually felt angry. I know there is no proof of a cx connection yet, but adding hormones to dairy products is purely profit driven on the part of the diary industry (to produce more milk faster) and it may have been at our expense. I would be surprised if there is no connection to those of us who may be more sensitive to additional estrogen. I've been buying organic dairy products since then. One of the best gifts I've given myself since this diagnosis is the ability to spend more money on food. I'm willing to forego other luxuries but not things that go into my body. I've been buying all kinds of expensive organic yogurts, milk, cheeses, etc. (Truth is I'm making more fresh food and saving money on processed food, so maybe it balances out?) This whole experience made me feel so out of control that controlling this one little thing, even if I may be wrong, has been some comfort to me.

  • lamuso
    lamuso Member Posts: 123
    edited September 2010

    Thanks for sharing this information.  I get frustrated as I love cheese, cottage cheese, any kind of cheese.  It actually has been the main stable in my diet.  I have cut way back and have been buying organic cheese but it is so expensive.  I may have to rethink this and allow me a budget for organic dairy every week!

  • Eve1956
    Eve1956 Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2010

    I heard the same, about avoiding dairy that has been "contaminated" with hormones being put in the cows' feed.

    I have switched to organic milk and 1/2 & 1/2 and am buying Cabot brand cheese if it's not organic. I'm not sure if it's true but was told Cabot doesn't use hormone laced milk. 

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited September 2010

    Following up with what Dutchgirl6 says above the reason dairy cows in Canada are not given hormones is that it is considered unhealthy and cruel for the cows and it has nothing to do with milk production.

    For those in the US who like cheese and want to avoid any trace amounts of added hormone, why not buy imported European or Canadian cheeses? I've started on Armidex, and have just discovered I have osteoporosis to boot, so I've upped the amount of dairy I'm eating.

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited September 2010

    So probably those big ol' bags of shredded cheese that are so reasonably priced at Walmart are to be avoided?

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited September 2010

    You know, I read just the other day girls are getting breast by age 7 now. As a teacher I know I am seeing younger and younger kids looking to mature for their ages. I have to wonder if it has something to do with the hormones added to our meat.

    I have started buying hormone free milk. Is cabot cheese hormone free? If it is I will be buying that from now on. I just love my cheese, and the idea of giving it up completely would not make me happy.

    I also subscribe to Andrew Weil, I was told about him 5 years ago by a friend when my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. He has lots of interesting articles.

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited October 2010

    http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

    I saw this link in another discussion - if it doesn't make you reconsider dairy products I don't know what will...

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