ILC Premenopausal Questions

lola12
lola12 Member Posts: 127

Hi Everyone, I am new to the board, and wanted to say hello. I was hoping to get your thoughts on a few things based on your experience and your reading. I have surgery on Sept 20 for lumpectomy and sn biopsy. Here is what I know so far er and pr positive, low proliferation of Ki-67, her2 negetive. Finding was .66 cm at widest point on mri and 1.4 cm on ultrasound. Did a core biopsy for diagnosis. I am premenopausal and 46 yrs old. My doc thought it was caught on ultrasound very early and I am thankful for that and he thought my lymphnodes felt fine. When asking about chemo, he said probably. Is that jumping the gun or is that probably based on my menopausal status and age? What makes them decide what time, I would prefer the dose dense method for a shorter interval than dragging it out for 4 months. I also read that ILC doesnt need chemo, any opinions, thoughts or experience? I love you guys and this board already! Lola

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  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited September 2010

    Hi, Lola. I was 38 at diagnosis and premenopausal.

    Has the onc mentioned Oncotype testing to you? It can be run on your tumor if you end up having negative nodes. The score on that should drive the chemo decision more than your age and menopausal status. A low score means that your tumor will respond better to hormone therapy than to chemo.

    We've had several ILC girls on these boards who had very good success with neoaduvant chemo shrinking their tumors, so ILC can and does respond to chemo.

    I had an Oncotype score of 18, which was a grey area. So taking into consideration my tumor size (2.7cm) and my young age, four oncs recommended chemo, which I did. They did tell me, though, that if my score had come back low, say an 8 or 9, that I could've just done HT.

    Dose dense chemo is usually given for more aggressive tumors, and it is harder to tolerate. Unless it's clinically necessary, I don't think it's worth it from a side effect standpoint. Just my opinion--obviously do whatever your onc says. And get second and third opinions, b/c in my experience, every onc had a different chemo combo to recommend.
  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited September 2010

    Hi

    definitely ask for the oncotype score..... I was 48 at dx and premenopausal--- we all thought I would have lumpectomy, radiation and hormonal therapies--pretty straightforward---but my onc score was 27--the high end of the intermediate range-so I decided on chemo.  second opinions on the treatment were consistent with first opinions and my own opinion.  I have young children and we are considered"young" in the breast cancer world.  The oncotype will really help you decide.

    good luck 

  • MagPag
    MagPag Member Posts: 98
    edited September 2010

    Hi Lola,  Very sorry you're going through this.  You're right about the folks on these boards, they are great and full of wonderful information and support.

    I'm 51 and perimenopausal. My ILC was very small and low grade, so chemo was not recommended.  I had a lumpectomy, then a re excision with SNB, then radiation and now starting HT tomorrow.

    All will depend on your complete pathology and nodes.  Do seek a couple of other opinions and listen to yourself too.  Like so many things you will just feel right about one treatment plan and that, with the experts, will guide your decision.

    Best to you.  Donna. 

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited September 2010

    Hi, I was 50 at diagnosis and not in menopause. My ILC tumor was 10 cm+ and the oncologist said that it was there for at least 5 years, possibly 10. (10 Mammograms did not catch it.) I did dose dense AC neo-adj. I was told that chemo had a 1 to 3% chance of having any effect, but since it was thought to be millimeters from the chest wall based on MRI, and the SN Biopsy showed nodes matted with cancer, I thought (as did the team) it was worth it to try and see if I would be in the 1 to 3%. Post op Pathology showed that chemo had no effect on the tumor and I had 7 of 22 nodes, matted and encapsulated.  My PET scan post surgery showed nothing though. I started Tamoxifen a week after surgery and radiation two weeks after. If I had it to do over...I think I would still do the chemo on the chance that it might get some potential "floaters"  After the AC, the oncologist thought that it was not worth the risk to do the Taxol or Taxotere, that the benefits would not be worth the risk, so we stopped at 4 AC treatments. My surgeon had seen some success in cases like mine with the additional Tax.

  • LisaSec
    LisaSec Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2010

    Lola, I don't want to simply echo what the other ladies have stated but I cannot stress enough the importance of the oncotype in ER+/PR+/Her2- cancers.  It plays an important role in the care planning.

    I am 38 and pre-menopausal.  I underwent lumpectomy and SN excision with 0/2 nodes but positive margins and the tumors had both ductal and lobular characteristics.  After MRI, I consulted with multiple breast surgeons who all suggested bmx.  I underwent bmx with immediate SGAP reconstruction in July. 

    My onc is not suggesting chemo. I had positive margins with my bmx as well so I start rads this month. I cannot take Tamox so my onc is actually suggesting Lupron to induce menopause and taking Arimidex.  That decision will be made after I finish rads.  From speaking with various ladies on the site, it seems that there are guidelines for adjuvant therapies but different onc's have varying opinions on the issue.

    Good luck with your surgery and the journey.  Just know you are not alone.  There are some great ladies on this site who are walking this path with you. 

  • lola12
    lola12 Member Posts: 127
    edited September 2010

    Wow, thanks for the opinions everyone. Does node involvement have any correlation with the size of the mass? I was just wondering if the small masses had less of a chance of node involvement.  I have surgery coming up in a few weeks and am losing sleep over the possible node involvement.

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited September 2010

    Hi Lola,

    I am 39 and did chemo after surgery for my ILC, and now I'm in the middle of radiation. My two oncologists could have gone either way, so the "chemo or no chemo" decision was a big one for a while...for now I'm glad I chose to do chemo, though it did make for a tough summer! 

    Good luck to you.

    Jen

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited September 2010

    Lola, regarding the node status relative to the tumor size--in theory, a larger tumor is more likely to have spread to the nodes b/c one assumes it's been there awhile, but there are plenty of women here with big tumors and negative nodes, and plenty of women with small tumors and positive nodes. It really has more to do with the aggressiveness of the tumor than the size.

  • lola12
    lola12 Member Posts: 127
    edited September 2010

    ok thanks Nash. So, ki-67 or Her2 status may be more of a predictor of lymph node involvement rather than size? Since ilc is slower growing is that also a predictor?

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited September 2010

    There are different ways of looking at the size of an ILC tumour too. My pathology report states the size of the tumour 'stellar mass' was 1.6 cm, but the bs removed a chunk 8 cm x 5 cm x 3.5 cm in order to get clear margins. Those threads are sneaky, but I guess they don't count as much when considering staging as long as the margins are clear.

    I had one positive node that I knew about beforehand, so had nodes removed the same time as the lumpectomy surgery. The path report showed the tumour contained in the node was 1.5 cm, almost the same size as the 'stellar mass' of the breast tumour. When I asked the onc if the cancer must have been in the node for some time to grow to that size her answer was no.

  • dawney
    dawney Member Posts: 211
    edited September 2010

    The first thing I learned about my diagnosis and treatment is that it is a moving target.  I was first told that my tumor was large (5+cm) and that I would need a mastectomy but probably no treatment, he suggested a BMX with immediate reconstruction.  After surgery, just a left mastectomy, I was told I had ILC 2-3cm with no involvement - which is great.  My Oncologist has been talking chemo from the start, which I would like to have because I want to make sure I do everything I can to make sure this doesn't come back.  I am waiting on my Oncotype results and am worried that if the score is too low my insurance might not cover chemo.  Is is crazy to want chemo?  I just want to do all I can.

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