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  • rosieS
    rosieS Member Posts: 83
    edited September 2005
    Rose--This is straight from my basic Nutrition text. I have copied some text that might be of interest to you:



    "Iron absorption depends in part on its source. Iron occurs in two forms in foods: as heme iron, which is found only in foods derived from the flesh of animals, such as meats, poultry and fish, and as non-heme iron, which is found in both plant-derived and animal-derived foods, but mainly plant. On average, about 10% of the iron a person consumes in a day comes from heme iron. Even though heme iron accounts for only a small proportion, it is so well absorbed that it contributes significant iron; about 25% of heme iron is absorbed. In contrast, only 10% of non-heme iron is absorbed, depending on other dietary factors...



    Meat, fish, and poultry contain not only the well-absorbed heme iron, but also a factor that promotes the absorption of nonheme iron from other foods eaten at the same meal. Vitamin C also enhances nonheme iron absorption from foods eaten in the same meal by capturing the iron and [making it ready for absorption]. Some acids and sugars also enhance nonheme iron absorption.



    Some factors that inhibit non-heme absorbtion: the phytates and fibers in soy products, whole grains and nuts, oxylates in spinach, calcium and phosphorus in milk, EDTA (food additive) and the tannic acid in tea, coffee, nuts and some fruits and vegetables.



    Of course, bleeding from any site can incur iron losses.



    Iron deficiency and iron-deficiency anemia are not the same: people may be iron deficient without being anemic. The term iron deficiency refers to depleted body iron stores without regard to the degree of depletion or to the presence of anemia. The term iron-deficiency anemia refers to the severe depletion of iron stores that results in a low hemoglobin concentration. ....red blood cells are pale and small. They can't carry oxygen from the lungs to the tissues, so energy metablolism in the cells falters. The result is fatigue, weakness, headaches, apathy, pallor, and poor resistance to cold temperatures."



    .....I found this little tidbit to be interesting, seems like high iron is not so great:



    "There also appears to be an association between iron and cancer. Explanations for how iron might be involved in causing cancer focus on its free-radical activity, whch can damage DNA. One of the benefits of a high-fiber diet may be that its phytates bind iron, making it less available for such reactions."



    So from reading this, it seems that the fiber inhibits the non-heme absorption, meaning the plant based iron sources, like enriched breads or cereal, beans and spinach. The oxalates in spinach also inhibit absorption. Since calcium also inhibits absorption, don't take your calcium supplement right after consuming an iron-rich meal or iron supplement. Same goes for coffee, tea, etc.



    The text also says that to maximize nonheme iron absorption, like that found in bread, eat it with a tomato, which has vitamin C. Eat beans with meat (combining non-heme with heme). It also says if you take iron supplements, constipation may occur, so drink plenty of water.



    I hope this helps you.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited September 2005
    I've heard that excess iron encourages cancer. My husband has lymphoma and he tries to not overdo the red meat thing for that reason.

    From what you found it seems like maybe you shouldn't take the iron with food, or maybe with orange juice. I'm going to be sure and ask her about that. I was reading that there are types of iron supplements that are formulated not to cause constipation (which I remember from when I was pregneant and took iron), and I want to ask her about that too.

    Thanks for the info. I"m going to have a different thing to eat or take for each hour in the day!
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited September 2005

    I know broccoli is loaded with iron, but really you are going to have add lean red meat if you want to get well soon. Try filet mignon without the bacon. It is the tenderloin, wish is by definition the most tender and least fattening. Can you tell we raise cattle? A 3 oz portion would help you, just try to bulk up on strong iron rich other foods.

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited September 2005
    Spoken like a true Texan! I have been ordering roast beast sandwiches from Subway.

    3 oz wouldn't be that hard to do. I could go on the Atkins diet.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited September 2005
    Now that I've decreased the amount of fat I'm consuming, I have a strange craving for nuts. And, once I start eating them, I have a hard time stopping.

    This has happened with peanuts and almonds. Anyone experience the same?

    --Theresa
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2005
    Theresa,

    One day I sat down with a bowl of almonds just planning on having a few, and I couldn't stop eating them. I consoled myself by telling myself it has a lot of good oil/fat in them too. I stopped taking the bowl with me now. I can't be trusted.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited September 2005
    I like to have mixed nuts around. I have to hide them from my husband because he will eat the entire can. They may have good fat but they are high calorie.

    Think their saltiness is any part of it?

    Sometimes when I get started on sweets (how many gallons of ice cream have I eatten one spoonful at a time?) I can sidetrack myself by eatting something salty.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2005
    Rose,

    It's not the salt for me. I don't eat salted nuts. I know I don't eat much fats and that's probably why I can't put them down. I've even started to add nuts to my veggie dish.
    They're tasty to add them to something cooked.

    They're like beer, not just for breakfast anymore.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited September 2005
    Boy oh boy I love nuts! I have decided just like sugar that is not a good thing though!

    Rose I have forbidden myself from eating Kemp's chocolate ice cream, it is soooo good. I eat a bite at time and before you know it is all gone! 3 ozs is about a 1/2 of a piece of tenderloin, good and tasty!(Can't have that either)

    You name anything unhealthy and I crave it! SF FF chocolate pudding is my haven for now!
  • rosieS
    rosieS Member Posts: 83
    edited September 2005

    I started eating a "handful" of lightly salted almonds every day. I love them and they do have the good fat, plus selenium,vitamin E and fiber, but they are high in calories. So now I am cutting back to a "handful" a few times per week.

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    It's got to be the salt for me. I've got unsalted nuts sitting around in my cuboard, been there for weeks. They never call my name.

    Just to show that I"m not immune to the neurotic side of this. I read the calorie count on the box, which says how many nuts are in a 'portion', and then I count out that many or less to eat. For me the 'handfull' thing gets out of hand pretty easily.
  • DragonladyTina
    DragonladyTina Member Posts: 371
    edited October 2005
    Weird everyone should be talking about nuts...I bought my husband a big jar of Planters dry roasted peanuts and a can of dry roasted cashews. (for him...sure ) I have polished off most of them. I have this crazy need to eat nuts, I have never been a nut eater before, just lately.

    Best wishes, Tina (part squirrel)
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005

    My husband asked me last night why now I crave nuts. I told him because I can't have them, I would eat a peice of cardboard spread with Nutella in a heart beat!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005

    What I REALLY like are choclate covered peanuts.

  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    Okay, chocolate and nuts! You're torturing me!

    I wonder if maybe the craving occurs because we have limited our fat. We've figured out how to avoid most of the bad fats (hopefully - or at least most of the time.) Maybe our bodies are just craving the good fats.

    With all this talk of nuts, though, I working hard to resist the urge to run down the street and get some!

    --Theresa
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005

    What you need are those little bags they hand out on Southwest Airlines. They have about 150 calories worth of nuts and no more. Then you can have some but don't overdo.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2005
    Well I can help with lessening the guilt about eating nuts.



    7-10 daily..a mix of walnuts, almonds and pecans will lower

    LDL cholesterol, (the bad one).



    peanuts have the same ingredient that some red wines have which is heart healthy. (I forgot the name of the ingredient).



    Men should eat walnuts every day to fight off prostate cancer. I can't think of anything else at the moment.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005

    My fav is chocolate covered Macademia Nuts, absolutely awful for you!

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2005
    Actually, macs are pretty healthy for us. If you can find some dipped in dark chocolate instead of milk chocolate then it would be a healthy snack.

    http://www.macnut.co.nz/nutrition.htm

    I heard that Hershey's will be coming out with a new dark chocolate that will have more flavonoids left in. I'm waiting.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    I thought maybe we were craving the nuts because we wanted fat, but now I'm thinking maybe it's because we want protein that we used to get from meat. (I always want to understand why.)

    Anyway, thanks for making me feel less alone about this nut thing.

    And why is it they don't make bags of nuts in the airplane serving size like Rose suggested? Because if they are anywhere near me, control goes out the window. I try, but ...

    --Theresa
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005
    I have finally started eating Wasa instead of crackers or chips. My redneck friends think I have converted to Judism but honestly they are not bad once you start eating them.

    Sorta like brown rice after white rice. I would prefer the more fattening taste but after awhile, I can endure it!
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I made the best soup from the Yoga Journal. It's not low-fat but the barley is high-fiber.

    Barley has some of the same qualitites as oatmeal fiber-wise so it's way to fit that into a meal besides breakfast.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited October 2005
    What's in scotch broth?

    --Theresa
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005
    Over the weekend there was a show on Food Channel with a Sara person. She had a whole meal filled with grains, I need to get more in I know that.

    She had something called Quinoa, which I have never even heard of. Supposed to be a great grain!

    I have no idea what Scotch broth!
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    Campbells does it canned. My Mom was partial to it so we ate it a lot when I was little. Homemade turns out to be more like a stew, Campbells is longer on the broth. It seems like they put about half as much barley in as this called for.



    32 oz. chicken AND beef stock (total of 64oz.)

    2 cups water

    1 cup pearl barley

    1 1/2 lbs lamb (can also do beef)

    1 onopn

    clelery

    4 carrots

    2 parsnips

    2 tsp Dijon mustard

    1 tsp Rosemary

    salt/better



    You pretty much throw everything but the carrots, parsnips, rosemary and mustard in a pot and cook for an hour. then add the carrots, parnsips, rosemary, mustard and cook for 15 more minutes.



    I cooled it and then skimmed the fat because lamb is bad about that. I did lamb because my husband likes it but beef is good too, just not as distinctive a flavor.



    Next weekend I"m going to try the squash/pear soup, which will probably be better fat-wise.
  • kate101
    kate101 Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2005
    Jane Brody's Good Food Cookbook has excellent high-fiber, low-protein recipes. I've had it for years, and everything in it is delicious and simple to make. I just ordered a new copy because my old one was falling apart.

    Moosewood Cooks at Home and Moosewood Low Fat Cookbook are both excellent also.
  • kate101
    kate101 Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2005

    I meant to say low-fat, high fiber (not low protein).

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    Tried something different (was going to say new but family says NOT):



    6 c. broth

    1c. carrots

    1 can tomatoes + green chilies

    1 sm can green chilies

    2 c.lentils

    1/4 c. cornmeal.

    1/2 lb. ham

    1 stalk celery

    1 white onion



    Basically you cook the soup boiling the liquids and then adding the lentils. When the lentils are cooked you put the cornmeal in and cook for 15 more minutes. Then season with chili power, cummin, cinamon(sp).



    I've had complaints from the peanut gallery about lentil soup so I halved the lentils. The soup stays soupier and not so thick. If it gets too thick you can put more broth in. Once you put the cornmeal in watch it because it gets thick and burns easily



    It's good with cornbread.
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited October 2005

    Maybe I need to join your peanut gallery! I know I need lentils, but eeewwww. I will try this recipe if I spice it up I may not taste them!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited October 2005
    I'd appreciate any Tex/Mex input. This did mention a dollip of sour cream and cilantro on top.

    I have a supply of New England Clam Chowder in the cubboard. If I get too many complaints I get that out.

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