Chemo June 2010

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  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010
    grneyd5600 - good on your for exercising. i should too, but it's still so humid and hot here, and i don't have any indoor options, so I am staying on the couch for now. Just re your heart rate - the steroids that I am taking in IV before the Taxol are automatically raising my heart rate, so maybe this is also happening to you and maybe you're not as out of shape as you think?
  • mitymuffin
    mitymuffin Member Posts: 337
    edited August 2010

    Julia2 and Bon, Congratulations on finishing treatment! Yay! Not everyone has the fortitude to make it all the way through treatment, so give youselves some pats on the back. 

    I had my 5th Taxol today, seven more to go. I have a small amount of toe pain, mostly at night, but really nothing to complain about.

    Grneyd5600: Good for you for getting on that eleptical. I'm trying to exercise enough so that I have at least a little muscle left when I get through the treatment. Beside  exercise helps the  emotions! Sweating produces endorphins, and we all need those.  Have fun with your sisters.

    I'm going to look for the "Post Nail Trauma" stuff. 

  • NorthernGirl
    NorthernGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2010

    Good luck Gurneyd5600 and Trusting on your infusions tomorrow

    It was weirdly reassuring to hear that other girls also found that water tasted bad. Ever since my Docetaxel infusion almost 3 weeks ago, water just tastes yucky. It's too bad because I normally drink tons of water. Luckily, apple juice tastes fine and I am just loving V8 veggie drink.

    I have had so many SE from Docetaxel, so much bone/muscle pain, I am actually scared of getting my next infusion this Thursday. I have been a crying mess. My family has been so supportive. I am glad that they think it's okay to have a melt down! 

    Good luck girls

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Ugh!  I should be exercising too!  I so admire those that are getting on their machines, or going to the gym!  I get out for a few little walks each week, but that's about it right now.  I'm going to try to start doing Wii Fit again--I really like that.

    So, infusion went well today.  I feel tired and the tummy feels a little yucky.  Food does not interest me at all, so I had some lemonade and oyster crackers.

    I got a compazine pill, decadron infusion, and a bag of benedryl and prevacid.  Apparently the prevacid helps with allergic reactions too.  I got the Herceptin first ( a double dose the first time--took 90 minutes), then the Taxol.  The nurse started the Taxol super slow, then came back every 5 min. to increase the speed.  She did that 4 or 5 times, then I was up to normal speed.  The only se I had was the bottom of my feet got hot--like I had been walking on a hot sidewalk.  Maybe I had this reaction because I already have neuropathy?  Or maybe its just normal? The nurse wasn't too concerned, as long as everything else was ok.  The Taxol will take 3 hours each time.  For the 3rd and 4th txs they will cut the benedryl in half. 

    My onc told me this could make my neuropathy worse, and could make it permanent, or could take several months to a few years to fade away.  I am to let him know if it is getting worse, and be careful not to cut myself, etc.

    My MUGA went from 65% to 59%.  He said its still ok, although the drop is out of the range of the margin of error.  But he said there are lots of things that contribute to the score on any given day, so its not necessarily from the Adriamycin.  I will have my next scan in 3 months, unless I start having some problems before that.

    Neulasta shot tomorrow, herceptin next Monday, then next Taxol+herceptin in two weeks!

    Northerngirl-->Sorry you are having bad se's!  I hope you only have a few more to go.  What are you taking for pain?  My onc told me if I have the body aches I can alternate ibuprofen and Tylenol.  But I have percocet as a back up--and I'll use it if needed!!  Hope the next one is easier for you!!

    Chey-->let us know how it went for you!! I was thinking of you today and prayed for you!

  • NorthernGirl
    NorthernGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2010

    Thanks TMarina... I take Tylenol 3 for pain. It only works for about 2 1/2 hours to 3 hours. I get a bad reaction to percoset, but I will ask the onc tomorrow for other pain relief options in time for the infusion on Thursday. I was prescribed gabapentin which I am supposed to start the day before infusion. God I hope it works.

    I used gel mitts for my hands and feet to minimize neuropathy. Not sure if it worked, I still got a burning sensation to my fingertips for a few days about a week after infusion. My fingertips started to peel also. My feet are fine though.

    I am going to look up compazine and prevacid. I am not familiar with those, but I do take decadron with my infusions. I got benadryl with the FEC infusion, but I am not getting an allergic reaction to Docetaxel so it wasn't needed.

    Best wishes

  • Trusting
    Trusting Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2010

    Hi Northern Girl,

    I get my first Docetaxol tommorrow and I hope it reacts well with me. They say 6 out of 7 people will do better with the Docetaxol. Have you asked about Gabapentin? Maybe it is Carbamazepine you mean above or maybe it is Compazine but neither of the drugs make sense for bone or muscle pain to me and that seems to be at the root of your problem and what is getting to you. You need to treat the pain. The Gabapentin definetly makes sense to me and can be very effective.  I think you should ask about Gabapentin. I am an RN and my ongologist said this is what I would have if a muscle,bone pain reaction should occur. It is a very effective killer of nerve related pain. I have often given it when perscribed to patients for bone and muscle pain caused by nerves which is what the Docetaxol is effecting. I hope you are feeling better. Just some suggestions to help and if I can help you I gladly will.

    Take care,

    Trusting

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010

    Hello. well i had my first Taxol this morning, i got Benedryl,pepcid,decadron , and something else i think it was aloxi? i had to take 2 Decadron pills the night before and 2 in the morning before i went in. All my pre drugs took 1 hour and 15 minutes, she started the Taxol at 1/3 speed then after 10 minutes she bumped it up to 2/3 speed then after 10 minutes she went 100% i was in the chair about 2 and half hours. I had no problems so far, next Monday i go again and i will take only 1 decadron the night before and one in the morning, i dont know if they will change any pre drugs, All in all it was not bad but to think i have to do it 11 more times, wow,

     On Friday i went to my own DR and she told me my ONC will take care of the cancer and she will take care of me! she said if i wanted i could come every week and talk to her, I had told her about my ONC and felt i should walk out of the ONC office feeling secure,  but i dont! though i dont like her much i hear she is the best!!! so i need not fire her,lol My own DR put me on wellbutrin and i hope it kicks in soon, My DR told me i had situational depression and it will go away and i will be feeling better but also my life has changed. she will do anything i need her to do she said.

     So tomorrow morning i will wake up and hope not to have a melt down, my sis is here with me if i do, I pray I do get back to normal soon, on a good note i put my wig on and did my make up and went to work for a couple hours i took sis for support,lol sorry to go on and on i just need to type i guess. you have all been so good to me!!

     TMarina, what a day for us, i prayed this morning as well, and only cried when i first got to ONC treatment. the nurses were great as always, one day at a time, 11 more, not 12Smile what is Herceptin? i dont get that with my Taxol,i will pay good attention to everything in my body, im having minor cramps but wonder if it might be my messed up period?

    love to all and se,s

    Chey

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010
    cheyenna-There you are!  You sound great.  You did it!  I'm proud of you!  One more to check of your list.  I'm so glad it went well and you don't have SE so far.  Let's pray they stay away!  I like your family doctor, I'm so glad she is taking care of you.  It's going to get better, just keep moving forward.  Sleep tight and sweet dreams of healthy, happy days.
  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited August 2010

    Bon - I am so sorry to hear about your mom.  I can't eat eggs.  They make my stomach turn.  maybe that's a good thing!  Hurray for your last chemo treatment!!!  I hope you get the GI under control and get some much needed rest!

    Designermom - a size 8 is good size. I doubt you are well padded!  You crack me up!  I'm a curvy size 8 - thanks to my mom on the bottom and my plastic surgeon on the top - LOL!!!

    Chey - I am so glad that everything went well today.  And I'm glad your regular doctor is taking good care of you!  I've been worried about you! 

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited August 2010

    Julia2 - your dog is so cute.  Is it a Border Collie???

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    chey - glad you went to your own DR - and she said exactly what mine said to me. so hopefully she will give you the support you are missing from your onc. You asked about Herceptin - it's only for people whose cancer is HER2+,  yours is HER2- so this is one drug you can skip :-)

    northern girl - AFAIK, the gel  mitts do not help with neuropathy - they help to protect the nails. Taxol/taxotere can be hard on the nails, to the extent that some people's go black and fall off. the gil mitts try to protect them as much as possible from this.

    had my 3rd taxol yesterday, and apart from not having slept all night after, i am doing OK so far. my dad is visiting from overseas and took my daughter swimming so i will get off the computer and go to sleep while I can.

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    oh my goodness - i just recounted and realized that I did my 4th taxol yesterday!!! I'm one step ahead of what I thought i was - yay!!

  • workmother
    workmother Member Posts: 78
    edited August 2010

    Tmarina and chey - so glad you both did well on Taxol! I was thinking of you.

    I still find myself very tired today. First Taxol treatment was last Wed. I'm happy that there seems to be no chemo fog or the inability to function at all like I had on AC. I'm just always tired. I work in the schools too as a teachers aide and have to go back next Wed. I don't know how I'm going to do this. I can't imagine making it through a school day. Unfortunately financially we really need the money. Why can't all your other problems just go away when you get cancer?

    I also seem to be having pain from the Taxol. Hips and knees mostly. Some pain through my right thigh and lower back. Is this a normal reaction? Does anyone know if it goes away or does it stay around through the whole time you are on taxol? I'm taking B6 and L-Glutamine (and sometimes Motrin). Anything else I can do?

  • julia2
    julia2 Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2010

    Morning Ladies!  Well the 'roids kept me up all night, but I am done! Yippee!  Feel very tired this morning, think hubby will drive me to Neulasta shot today, I don't feel up to it.  Kittycat, yes, a border collie, I have 3, his Mom and his 1/2 sister also.

    Julia

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  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Chey-  So good to hear from you.  My onc is very negative also. We are just gonna appreciate that our oncs have good scientific experience and ignore the rest. 

    Tmarina-hope there is no more neuropathy.

    workmother- I am very tired also and i think I had dd Taxol on the same day as you.  I am also a teaching assistant and onc has told me no work until I am done with Rads. That's a long time away!   We don't have disability so I don't know how I'm gonna pay my bills!  I am not achy but a little numb in fingers and toes and wake up nauseas. It wears of as the day goes on.

    Desinger mom-  I'm a size 14!  I haven't been an 8 since I was a girl!

    We are having cool grey weather here which is a change. Hope everyone has a good day.

  • VickyThomas
    VickyThomas Member Posts: 54
    edited August 2010

    @workingmother, the joint pain will fade..at least mine is.. it is not as bad as it was on Sunday..I still have the funny feeling in my fingers and toes.. more in my fingers, I experienced pelvic and back pain worse then labor..really joint pain over all.. but it has improved not gone away but improved and my treatment was last Thursday, I took Tylenol and motrin and warm showers..  Size 8 I wish I was back at a 9/10. I started at that size and now I am a twig down to a size 5/6 some 3's depending on the fit.. All my curves have gone to flat land.. everyone keeps telling me that I gain it back plus some, well i will be glad when that starts to happen.. I can't fit any of my clothes..

    I cry EVERY treatment, EVERY TUESDAY before treatment and EVERY WEDNESDAY I am depressed before treatment..  . I am very pleased with my team.. they all seem to take time out to reassure me and make sure that I am okay..even the onc.. he never makes me feel like I am just a "patient" the bedside manners are awesome.. I am grateful.

    @cheyanne, so glad that you are feeling better..

    To all who have finisehed.. CONGRATULATIONS YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION TO ME.

  • mimi9186
    mimi9186 Member Posts: 127
    edited August 2010

    Hey Gals,

    I had the second (every three weeks) Docetaxol on Friday.  Between the comlpetely burnt mouth, severe heartburn, headaches, body aches and pain, and inability to sleep, I feel like giving up and letting the chemo win.  I normally have a better attitude but just can't muster it today.  I have lots of meds for the side effects, but they don't seen to help much. Not sure I want to do two more of these rounds. Finding it very tough this time and appreciate knowing you are there to understand.

    Mimi

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Vicky and mimi this is a long road we are on.  It will be done eventually.  I know for me a big part of the frustration is that I haven't the energy to do anything so I think about how I feel ALOT.  Hope we all find a fun distraction today.

    I was just talking to a girlfriend who is taking classes in women's tailoring and telling her there should be some sort of clothing line for women on chemo.  Easy to wear and adjustable to our changing bodies so we don't have to keep buying new clothing all the time.  I have a party this weekend and am trying to convince myself to purchase something that looks decent.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    hey mim9186-->I think Docetaxol is the same as Taxotere?  Maybe you could switch to Taxol (I think the other name for it starts with a P?).  Talk to your onc., there may be other options.  But don't give up!!  How many more do you have to do?  I am doing dd taxol and only have 4 tx.  I know I can make it through 4 (if I did with AC, I can do it with just about anything!).  Hope you find some relief!!

    Workmother-->Sorry you have to work!  Can you reduce your hours?  My nurse told me a lot of people have the bone/muscle/joint pain.  She sadi esp. in the hips and thighs.  I am supposed to alternate Tylenol and Ibuprofen every 2 hours.  This worked for me with Neulasta and Neupogen pain.  But I have some percocet and will take that if needed.  I know other women have gotten have had to take stronger pain pills too.  Call your onc. to see what you can do.

    Julia-->That is AWESOME that you are done!!!

    CHEY-->  YOU DID IT!!  You can do 11 more!!! Its only a few months!!  I hope you were able to sleep!  Sounds like a few of us are having trouble sleeping due to the steroids!  Like Latte explained, the Herceptin is a targeted therapy for Her2+ cancers.  I'm so glad your dr. is so nice and helpful!  Take her up on her offer and go see her often!

    I'm still feeling pretty good, just tired from the steroids keeping me awake.  I finally took an Ambien about 2 am (don't know why I didn't think about it earlier!), and still only slept for less than 5 hours!  With the AC the steroids didn't keep me awake the first night.  I usually slept worse the 2nd week. 

    It was so nice to wake up this morning with no nausea!  I just praised God and asked Him to bless this day!  AND I was able to open the windows--heat and humidity are supposed to be down the next few days--yay!

    I'm going to enjopy this good feeling as much as I can--and hopefully I'll miss out on all that bone pain!!

    Love ya all!

    Tina

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Tina great to hear you are having a good day!

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    latte-  See there is something good about chemo brain!  You are further along than you remembered!  REST!  I'm glad your dad is there to help.

    kitty-  I am SO padded more than a size 8.  Dress sizes sure don't seem important anymore do they?

    tina-  Hurray for your good feelings!  I am singing praises fro the cool weather here in NYC too.  I actually had to sleep with a blanket last night!

    I'm off for a long walk in the park with DH.  Nothing like sitting on a park bench with the one you love! 

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited August 2010

    I'm feeling overwhelmed. My blood counts have not gotten better, and I just got another period, thats twice in 2 1/2 weeks. I don't understand what is going on. When should I be calling the dr.?

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    Good afternoon, my friends. I'll start by saying that I apologize for not being with-it enough to address everyone's issues individually. But I will say to RS711...call your doc today. If you haven't already addressed this issue with him.her/them, then call. Everyone seems to be trying to find that one MD who will drive the proverbial bus for total care. Like Cheyenne found, her PP said she will deal with the whole body and let the MO deal with chemo. So I guess if you don't have another doc who you trust to be there for you, call the MO and try to get this sorted out. After all, most MOs are hematologists, too, although the sub-specialties differ. They should know how to help you get your CBC in line and tell you what to do about the multiple periods. I hope you find someone to talke to who can put your mind at ease.

    Ok, wish I'd taken my own advice. Am still suffering with GERD but have it more under control on multiple meds. Not ideal but I really didn't have anyone who will be my bus driver now.Am just waiting to have 4th and, I hope, final round of TCH tomorrow and then get a GI consult.

    Speaking of which, my Mom ended up at the GI office today and they put her on yet another antibiotic for the Salmonella. Now she is on Flagyl and Cipro and told to take Imodium, eat yogurt and take acidophilus. And she is going to be 89 on October 11th.  She had wanted to be hospitalized because she feels so terrible but they aren't giving her any special concern because of age, frailness and the fact that she has lymphoma and her counts are down. I am so worried about her and really can't do much for her right now. Thank heavens my step-father is such a good guy and keeps all the plates spinning.

    What's that saying about when it rains, it pours?

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited August 2010

    Ok girls # 2 Taxol tx done.  I negotiated a reduced Bendaryl from 50 mg to 25.  I managed to stay awake the whole time.  My sister came for the week so I had lots of good gossip time.  I did crash when I got home and slept for 4 hours.  Oops - no work for me today!  But got up and fixed dinner and feel good. That would probably be the steriods huh?  Anyway, I am seriously thinking the 12 weekly doses of Taxol was the right call for me.  I seem to be handling it ok.  Thank goodness.

    Chey - glad you go to your PP.  Makes perfectly good sense the onc takes care of your cancer and the PP takes care of the rest.  Remember they don't all specialize in the same thing so use them for what you can. 

    Vickie - I wish you would consider getting a RX for anxiety.  I have a RX for ativan and only use it when the anxiety helps.  It has really smoothed me out and I am glad I did it.  I HATE medicine and usually fight having to take any but it was a help and I am feeling better.  Maybe it would help you too?  I am so sorry you are struglling with the crying so much.  It makes a bad situation so much worse.  Sending you a BIG HUG!!!!!!!

     Bon - I am so sorry your world is so upside down!  Please know we send thoughts and prayers that your Mom gets better soon.  Hugs to you too.

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited August 2010

    Ladies: I am 5 days after my second Taxol treatment and my hands started itching and burning today - it's crazy! The only thing that helps is putting ice on them. Has anyone else has this and does anyone have any suggestions?  Toni

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    toni30--> if you click on"Treatment and Side Effects" at the top, then scroll down near the bottom where it says "treatment side effects" and click on that, it'll bring up a list of side effects.  Look for "hand and foot syndrome" (or something like that).  It gives some ideas on how to manage it.  Also, call you oncs office tomorrow--they may have something that can help too.

    Jackie--> Good to hear you are doing ok!!

  • Sherry9316
    Sherry9316 Member Posts: 294
    edited August 2010

    Chey - you did it!  You made it through your first Taxol tx.  I know how you feel about it seeming to be forever before the end of your tx.  After the first three or four tx's, I started begging my husband to just let me go because I didn't think I could make it through another tx nor did I want to go back for the next tx.  It seemed like the last tx would NEVER get here.  And after tomorrow, I only have ONE more Taxol tx.  It's hard for me to believe the end is near.  So hang in there - you can do it.

    It's late here in OK and I haven't been on here for two or three days and I had a lot of reading to do.  Now I find I can't remember everyone's comments or who to match them up with. So sorry - you guys have been my lifeline for the past four months.  But tonight I will say a big prayer for all of you and send many many hugs to you precious ladies. Now off to bed - tx is early tomorrow for a change.

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010

    Vicky, i cry before during and after, i take the ativan and it really helps, i went on a mild anti depressant to level out my emotions, it was really bad, everyday i would cry and i never left the house. do what ever it takes to get you through this!!! tell your ONC or your family DR.

    thinking of you'

    Chey

  • renee2010
    renee2010 Member Posts: 93
    edited August 2010

    Hi everyone

    Tommorow i am having my last chemo..i  read here alot and pray for and think of you often during the day.I will let you know how it gose

    Hugs to all and prayes

    Renee

  • SKD
    SKD Member Posts: 140
    edited August 2010

    I have been using teatree oil and my nails survived first round of Docetaxel. I didn’t useice packs or anything during treatment and my nails hurt like I slammed them in a door for one week after. I started using tea tree oil a week after treatment and  they make me nails feel soft at first then they grow like crazy. I put it over my pink nailpolish on my toes though and it seemed to have made my nail polish come off??

     

    I am finally feeling better from the flu, not 100% better though. IT sucks that I will have to do another round of chemo on Friday and it will feel like I have the flu all over again.

    Trusting: Good luck tomorrow! I hope everything goes smoothly. Let me know how it goes.

    Julia2 and reneerodger…: Yay for your last chemo!!!

    Northern Girl: Let us know how round 2 of Docetaxel goes. I heard it is easier than round one so hopefully that will be your case. Good luck!

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