Just found out I'm triple negative.....terrified
Hi all,
I have been lurking on these boards for a while but never posted. I had my "bad" mammo in June, then biopsies, MRI, PET, etc. and then a lumpectomy at the end of July. Got through all of that OK.
Then yesterday I went to see an oncologist for the first time. I was prepared to hear I needed chemo. I was NOT PREPARED to here that my tumor was triple negative!!!! This has really thrown me for a loop.
The onc downplayed what this means, but I stayed up all night reading and now I am a wreck...even more than when I first found out I had BC!
Can anyone explain explain to me what this means & what the prognosis is????? Any advise would be appreciated.
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I know there are triple neg on these boards soi I am going to
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I know there are triple neg on these boards soi I am going to
BUMP
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Hope60: I know exactly how you feel - I was there myself about 10 months ago! The triple negative diagnosis was a complete shock, felt like I'd been kicked in the gut, and I got so disturbed by everything I was finding out about it. So let me try to help...
1. Take a deep breath. A triple negative diagnosis is NOT a death sentence. Most women with BC, including triple negative, go through treatment, get better and go on with their lives. You will too! In fact, there are many positives about being negative.
2. One positive is that chemo is known to work especially well for us.
3. While recurrence rates for us are higher in the first 2-3 years than for E/P + ladies, they decline quite dramatically following that (even lower than the hormone positive ladies). By year 6, the risk of recurrence for us is quite low.
4. A low-fat diet and regular exercise have been shown to be particuarly effective for triple negative women. It's our own hormone therapy... without the side effects.
There is a triple negative forum on these boards -- hop over there and introduce yourself under the Calling all TNs thread. There are many lovely ladies over there who will give you support.
Also, try visiting http://www.tnbcfoundation.org/ and http://hormonenegative.blogspot.com/2009/01/want-to-beat-cancer-exercise.html
Hope this helps. Fell free to PM if you want.
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Well said Luah,
Hope60 I am now 2 1/2 years out from my diagnosis and am inspired everyday by my friend and aunt who are both 6 years out from their diagnosis of this type of breast cancer.
You found found a great source of comfort and information in this group and site.
Ask lots of questions and go armed with information to your new doctors as you interview them.
Good luck,
Kathy
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II'm just 17 months out (tomorrow)..but I'm feeling good! Sometimes I still get scared but try to overcome it..I have a co-worker that is now SEVEN years out from Tri Neg and she is perfect! Her onc told her that she has virtually NO chance of a reocurrence...Oncs don't tell you that if they don't mean it...Mine told me one year ago that he "thinks" I will be OK..I try to remember that...
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Hi Luah, KMartin & Titan - thank you all so much for responding to my post. Somehow, in all my reading, I only found the "bad" things....but your messages were so encouraging & just what I needed to hear.
Luah thanks in particular for all the positive info you posted. I've taken a deep breath.... OK...a few deep breaths plus an Ativan :-) and I feel better now.
Will visit the Calling all TNs thread. I have been feeling so alone with this, but these boards are a tremendous source of strength and comfort. Thanks again!
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Hi Hope60, I wish you the best as you and your oncologists decide what is the best route for you to take. I agree with what everybody said above but I want to add one thing. If you have any family history of breast or ovarian cancer in your family history, ask to speak with a genetic counselor. If they believe that chances are you may be BRCA positive, please take the test. this can be very important in your decision making regarding your chemo, and possible radiation. I know this is a very personal decision. But many women with triple negative also test positive for BRCA 1 or 2. I knew I was triple negative, but didn't get tested until i was in the middle of radiation. If I had know before my lumpectomy, I would have had a double mastectomy right away instead of having to wait a year.(I just had a double mastectomy with immediate reconstruction last week) I probably still would have had the chemo, but at least then I wouldn't have to think about getting a new cancer diagnosis. I have friend at church who found out she had cancer and had a very strong family history of cancer.She asked if she can be tested for the BRCA mutation before the surgeries were done, and the results came back in a week! They usually come back after 3 to 4 weeks. And if you have insurance, the insurance would much rather cover this cost then covering 1 or 2 more surgeries down the road and radiation. I know this seems like a huge amound to information right now. Please write me any questions and I'll be praying for you.
"Be strong and courageous"
Carla
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Hope60 - I wanted to welcome you and let you know that although this is not the place you want to be the women here are great. In addition to "calling all TN's", there seems to be monthly threads started for people doing chemo (ex: Aug 10 chemo starters, Sept 10 etc). Those threads are under the Treatments/Chemo/Radiation. Once you know when you will start chemo or if you have started chemo, hook up with women going through chemo at the same time you are - it really helps to talk to people experiencing the same thing at the same time. Once you're staged or if you have been staged, jump onto the board for women in the same stage as you - another connection. So...in addition to your TN connections you will have people going through chemo at the same time and the ability to talk to people at the same stage you are.
I know it's hard, this is not what any of us expected and reading about TN on the computer is overwhelming. However, like the others have said TN responds to chemo wonderfully. Know that we're here whenever you need to talk, vent or ramble.........we're all here holding your hands in cyber space.
Jenn
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Hi Carlatap and Jenn3 - Thank you so much for responding. I have never posted on any discussion board in my life, but after reading here for weeks, I decided to go for it. And I'm so glad I did! I was feeling very alone with this, even among my wonderful friends and family. It feels so great to connect with others who have, or who are, walking in my shoes. So thank you for the welcome and your good wishes.
Carlatap - No one has mentioned the gene testing to me yet, and I don't have a family history.
But I am going to ask my oncologist. Thanks for the advice.
Hope -
Hope - I know how you feel. I had never posted anything on discussion boards, blogs, questionaires, nothing other than email. My friends and family were and are wonderful, extremely generous, understanding and kind, but the truth of the matter is you don't understand unless you've been through this or are going through this. That is how I found my way here and it was a godsend. There were days I just needed to ramble or get something off my chest that I knew my family wouldn't understand, but the people here did understand and they really helped me get through my treatment.
Another place to get information is the Triple Negative Foundation. Remember.......be careful with what you read, some of it is old and outdated. My dr's discussed BRACA testing, but it somehow fell through the cracks. I may talk to them about it again later.
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Hi Hope60,
I'm also triple negative, and have finished chemo, radiation, double mastectomy and eagerly awaiting exchange...which won't be for another 6 months or so because of radiation. I encourage you to come here for support as the ladies have all been through this too. We get it, and even though we are all different, there is a lot of wisdom here.
I sometimes just come on to play word games if I am stressing...or go over and read a prayer or two. There are a lot of forums to peek into...just try not to get overwhelmed
Some ladies sail through...some need to take off from work.
Best advice I have read would be to let people help you, and write down your network of helpers, so everyone knows who each person is. Don't be afraid to ask...most of your friends etc...are looking for a way to help, and it's nice for them to be able to mobilize.
Many Blessings,
Traci
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Just want to say about the BRCA testing that while it is true that a large percentage of women who are positive for BRCA 1 or 2 (90%) happen to be trip neg, the opposite is not true. (I think it is around 11% of TNs are BRCA+, as I recall.) If you have any family history, by all means consider getting tested. But if you have no family history, you probably wouldn't qualify anyway.
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Hello Hope. I also was just recently diagnosed as triple negative. I had a mastectomy July 23, one month ago today. I was going to start chemo today but just signed up to participate in a clinical trial.. It was suggested to me because of my age and the triple negative diagnosis. So last week we decided to start on Aug 30. I was also told by the surgeon that I would need radiation. I had 2 lymph nodes removed with one being microscopically positive. My oncologist wants me to go back in to have more nodes removed. My surgeon said absolutely not. He did not want to risk lymphodema. Today I got a call and said I need to talk to the radiation oncologist tomorrow. They discussed my case with the tumor board and they are still trying to decide if I need more surgery or if radiation will even help my case. I was hoping that if there is anything still there that the chemo would kill it. They said not necessarily. I do not want more surgery at this point. I had trouble with the first drain. They said it was defective and didn't drain properly. I got a very large, 2 cup, blood clot. Nine days after my first surgery, they had to reopen the incision and drain it out. They put in a bigger, more rigid drain line. It drained but was so rigid I couldn't hardly move. It was very painful and got infected. After another week, it was removed. I felt better for about 5 days when my drain hole broke open and sprung a leak. It is still tender in that area. Last week I had my chemo port put in. That was the most painful surgery. I think you can understand why I don't want another surgery. Sorry I got side tracked. Back to the clinical trial. I was told that they have to order the drugs but that they didn't want to wait until Monday. I was also told that I had time but now it seems to be everything in a hurry. So maybe I will be starting later this week. Not yet sure. I am also having genetic testing. I have no prior family history but evidently younger people and especially people with the triple negative diagnosis have a larger chance of having the BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation. I feel it is important to find out. I wish they would have put more emphasis on this before my surgery. I would definately have done it before my surgery. That would have made it more clear whether or not to have 1 or 2 breast removed. My chemo will consist of AC for 4 treatments every other week and then Taxol for 12 treatments (once a week). The new drug or placebo would be administered along with the Taxol and then for 10 treatments every 3rd week. Total chemo 50 weeks. Well I wish you the best in your decision making and treatments. It is a very scary time.
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Hi milnertm - I'm so sorry to hear about all the complications you've had with your surgery. Sounds like it's been a nightmare. I had a lumpectomy, and so far am healing well. But like you said, I too wish I had known about the triple negative diagnosis before surgery. I might have been more likely to choose a mastectomy. And now I think I should have the genetic testing.
I don't know yet when I'm starting chemo. I saw one oncologist who wants me to start sometime next week, but I'm not sure about him, so I'm seeing another one this week. Will see what she says. The 1st onc recommended AC and Taxol, similar regimen to yours. Seems like this is fairly standard for triple negs. I'm pretty sure the 2nd onc will say the same.....so for me it's a question of who I feel more comfortable with. Agree - it's a very scare time. Seems like these boards are a good place to be. I wish you all the best with your treatment. -
Hi Hope...
First I wanted to wish you well with all of your treatments and decisions. I remember all too well that this is a scary time. I did want to tell you that I had NO family history of any kind of cancer. However, I did have the genetics testing and found out I was BRCA1 positive. Insurance paid for 100% of the test.
Wishing you all the best,
Kathy
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Hi Hope, I'm just letting you know I'm thinking and praying for you. Just take one day at a time.
"Be strong and courageous"
Carla
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Hi Hope
I am in the same boat as you, very scared, terrified. Especially that it has been 2 months now after diagnosis, and I haven't started chemotherapy yet. Nobody seems to care, my doctors are all doing things each on their own, and there doesn't seem to be any correlation amongst them. I think I am lost in the system. I am tripple negative as well, got diagnosed on July 20. They are supposed to start Chemo on Sept. 21, two months after. I had two lumpetomies, and now am healing from an infection, in my opinion due to Surgeon errors, she did not know what she was doing, I swear. I have the drains on me right now. I want to heal 100% before starting chemo, but every day I think, whether cancer must have come back in 2 months. Does anyone know whether I am safe while this 2 months is passing by? Due to calendaring problem, the oncologists' nurse just decided to go with the Sept. 21st date, rather than thinking that I am tripple negative and that I need to do this ASAP. Only the second wonderful surgeon said to me, you need to get going with the chemo. My God, I am so scared that it might be lodging itself somewhere. Also, no one suggested that I do a mastectomy instead of lumpectomy. My right breast also has some residual columnar cell hyperplasic with flat epithelial atypia extending to the surgical margin. This is not cancer, but pre-cancer and while they took out the atypia, there still seems to be stuff at the surgical margin left. I am freaking out. Please someone help. My surgeon just ignored me and said "No more surgery", with no explanation, regarding the right breast. A nurse has told me that I should do chemo first and then think of the right breast, maybe the cells will go away. But I want them out, not just go away. Maybe I should consider double mastectomy after chemo finishes in December.
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Luah
Would you know whether waiting 2 months before starting chemo (for a trip. neg) is safe or not? Should I have done chemo sooner than 2 months? Shouldn't I heal from the infection completely before starting chemo? You seem to have a lot of information, please tell me. Thanks.
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Lovelyface, I'm not a doctor and don't know your particular situation, so can't really advise. I can tell you that I was Grade 3 (9/9 on nottingham scale) aggressive, 2 tumours, had a lumpectomy 4 weeks after diagnosis, had further surgery (axillary node removal) about 4 weeks after that, then started chemo 3 weeks later after recovery - so that was about 11 weeks altogether - and I am doing fine so far. My onco pointed to a study that showed no difference in outcome for women who start chemo within 12 weeks of surgery - however once you get past that, risk of recurrence rises. They did not break out results for trip negs however. My sister (who was not trip neg) got a bad infection which burst her lumpectomy site, and she had to wait 13 weeks to start chemo. The (same) onc did not want to start before she was well healed because of the risk of further infection. Nearly 3 years on, she is doing fine too.
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Hi everyone, I am a TN too, but I am 12 years post treatment and doing fine. TN was so new, they just told me, but I did not have chemo. My cancer was small and no positive Lymph Nodes.
The GOOD news is with TN is that 2 to 3 years after treatment rarely recur or metastasize. The curve just collapses to almost nothing, while the other types sorta drift down, this sure helps.
Gentle hugs, Shirlann
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Hi Lovelyface,
I was trying to find the thread where someone spoke about the time window for chemo to start following sugery. I honestly don't know if there is a standard, but I do know there seems to be an answer for every question on these boards. Just try not to let the thread get buried due to high volume. Bump it up if you need to.
So my personal experience was I had to wait 2 1/2 months from surgery to my first chemo start. We had to push it back a few times due to cellulities/hospitalization, another surgery to replace my tissue expander, and then the holidays rolled around. I sort of lost my momentum, but did get to see my family for X Mas which was priceless.
Luah gives around the same answer I remember seeing a poster give....I'll see if I can flush it out.
Yes, it is important to have no active infections prior to starting your chemo. They will check your blood work before each round as well...which will include your WBC (white blood cell) count. This would be elavated during infections, and is expected to drop during chemo. The Neulasta shot helps increase your WBC's during chemo, in order to help protect against infections. Many of us are given Neulasta the next day after our chemo infusion.
I had my drains in for quite a time after surgery, and they had to be out before my chemo started. (increased risk of infection) We pulled it the day before chemo.
so to sum it up....my chemo was delayed, and we also knew we needed to get moving and I was still on antibiotics when I started, but there was no active infection. Yes, this is a very scary time, and your anxiety is very normal. My honest opinion would be to re-evaluate if you want/need any further surgery after you have had a time to decompress after chemo.
Wishing you the best, hang in there!
Traci
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Here is a link to the study I was talking about. http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/24/30/4888.full
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Lovelyface - I think we're on a similar schedule. I was diagnosed in June (core biopsy) but did not have lumpectomy until July 29. I'm starting chemo 9/13. According to my oncologist, they want to start chemo within 8 weeks of the final surgery. Per my path report I also have some precancer in that breast too....onc said that chemo and radiation will take care of it. Hope this helps.
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Lovelyface -
Relax - take a deep breath - you will be fine. You are within all the windows of time for your treatments. I can assure you they would much rather have you healed and over any infection prior to their starting otherwise they, and you, might be dealing with far more heavy issues, i.e., febrile neutropenia, hospitalizations, long-term antibiotics, etc.
Keep us posted.
Linda
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