What chemo treatments are you on with Herceptin?

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Emster Member Posts: 61
What chemo treatments are you on with Herceptin?
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  • Emster
    Emster Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    Hi there

    Just got diagnose July 9th, stage 1, grade 3, no nodes, neg hormones but HER2+, DCIS & IDC.

    Had BMX Aug 2nd with TEs. Just met with oncologist who recommends taxotere, carboplatin (6 cycles plus herceptin) but I had questions as I know some women have had taxotere & cytoxan regimen for 4 cycles.  Is it uncommon to do taxo and cytoxan with herceptin for those of us that are HER2+?

    Would appreciate any info.

    thanks 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited August 2010

    I had TCH x 6 - this is the standard treatment here for node negative bc that is HER2+ve.

    Sue

  • lisasinglem
    lisasinglem Member Posts: 315
    edited August 2010

    I'm having Taxotere & Carboplatin with the Herceptin as well.  I, too, have seen some people here taking Cytoxin instead of the Carboplatin, but I believe the Carboplatin is more common.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited August 2010

    I had taxotere and cytoxin x4 with Herceptin - I was on a research trial and I think that is why I had the cytoxin instead of carboplatin...

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited August 2010

    Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin.  

  • Emster
    Emster Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    Thanks so much you guys! Just starting to understand how things work:) Going for a second opinion next week so will stay in touch.

    Really appreciate the input as this site just provides unbelievable support and it means alot

    thanks 

  • survivormom09
    survivormom09 Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2010

    I did TCH x6.  It was doable.  The weeks that I received the full TCH and not just Herceptin led to long tiring weekends.  Will share more info if you wish.  Let me know.

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited August 2010

    Hi Emster - Our dx are very similar, my IDC component was a little larger, pushing me into Stage 2A. My tx was Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin.



    Please come back with any questions, concerns, or just to vent!

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited August 2010

    same as above Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin

  • Emster
    Emster Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    survivor mom:  You are definitely that! So glad that you are done.:)

    suemed8749: was yours 6 cycles as well?

    o2bhealthy: yeah for your last herceptin!

    Thanks so much everyone! i love all the support on this site... 

  • CharliMC
    CharliMC Member Posts: 7
    edited August 2010

    I did the taxatere, herceptrine  and carboplatin for about 6 months every 3 weeks.  Now I am just on the herceptrine every 3 weeks and a bone thing (I have to look up the name sorry)  every 6 weeks... . But so far so good. Last CT scan 3 days ago looked good nothing noticeable. YEAH!!!!

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited August 2010

    Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin was the therapy that was tested in BCIRG 006. It was the first non-anthracycline therapy with Herceptin that was tested for early stage (non-metastatic) breast cancer. They chose Carboplatin for the test because of in-vitro studies indicating that there was some synergy between Carboplatin and Herceptin in killing cancer cells. They wanted to chose the therapy that they thought had the best chance of good results. Of course, what happens in-vitro doesn't always replicate what happens in vivo so we don't know if it is important to use Carboplatin instead of Cytoxin or even at all for Stage I.

    I think Cytoxin has a bit less side effects than Carboplatin which may be why some oncologists are using it for stage I. Some oncs even offer just Taxotere or Taxol with Herceptin for stage I.

    BCIRG 006 used 6 cycles of TCH. That's the standard of care. There was a cumulative effect on the side effects at least for me - I was much more tired and having difficulty working during cycles 5 and 6 than the earlier cycles. My onc only wanted to use a regime that had been tested but some oncs suggest 4 cycles for Stage I. 

    There are trials under way for 4 cycles instead of 6, Cytoxin instead of Carboplatin with Taoxtere and Herceptin and using just Taxol and Herceptin for stage I.  I don't think any of them have been running long enough to publish results.

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited August 2010

    Emster: Yes, 6 cycles of TCH. Like Bluedasher, the effects were cumulative. I became anemic and did not want any drugs or blood transfusions. I finished on July 30, 2008 and went back to work (high school teacher) the next week. My butt was dragging on the ground for a few weeks, but my blood counts were back to normal in a few months.



    I took 4 days off each chemo week (Chemo on Tuesday - back to work on Monday.) Felt a little off the second week, then just fine during Week 3. Of course, I was off work during June and July, which was a good thing. I exercised and traveled during chemo - hopefully, you'll also have minimal side effects.

  • Leetasun
    Leetasun Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2010

    I am getting Taxol and Herceptin for my stage 1, high grade, HER2-neu +, node neg, estrogen + cancer.  I am part of a trial at UCSF. It's weekly low doses for 12 weeks, then herceptin alone every 3 weeks to finish out a year. It's tolerated pretty well.

  • lovemygarden
    lovemygarden Member Posts: 342
    edited August 2010

    Taxol/Herceptin weekly x 12, and now H alone weekly to finish the year. It was my choice to keep getting it weekly rather than every 3. Stage 2a, node neg. Not part of a trial. Other than the hair loss, no SE worth mentioning.

  • heathhoff
    heathhoff Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2010

    Her2 + grade 3 satge 3 did TCH for 6 rounds, then surgery.  Now doing 8 weeks of radiation and herceptin every 3 weeks.  My outcome was great, there was no sign of the 3cm tumor in the breast and no sing of the 2cm tumor in my lymphnode. 

  • amlg1
    amlg1 Member Posts: 596
    edited August 2010

    DD A/Cx4 then DD taxol & herceptin x4,

  • saralmom
    saralmom Member Posts: 329
    edited August 2010

    I just finished chemo today!  I did ACx4 every 2 weeks, then Taxol x 12 weekly (with Herceptin every 3rd treatment).  Now just Herceptin going forward.

  • lizzyanne
    lizzyanne Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2010

    I had ACx4 every two weeks, although due to low blood counts and a port problem I had 3 weeks b/w 2 of those treatments. Just finished the first of 12 weekly Taxol/Herceptin and will then continue with just Herceptin every 3 weeks until late spring early summer. Then on to radiation for my lymph nodes.

    I will be having a transfusion this saturday due to low RBC. Onc says it is probably due to my 4 surgeries and the count has not improved over the last few months. He said I will feel like a new woman after the transfusion. My butt has been dragging for a long time.... 

  • Artemis
    Artemis Member Posts: 759
    edited August 2010

    I had Adriamycin and Cytoxan x 4, then Taxol x 4.  It wasn't decided until after I'd finished chemo that I was HER2+, so I started Herceptin almost four months after chemo.

  • deenah
    deenah Member Posts: 178
    edited August 2010

    A/C every 2 weeks x 4 then Taxotere every 3 weeks x 4.  I started Herceptin when I started the Taxotere, but have been getting it every week.  I just finished my 4th and final Taxotere treatment last Thursday, and at some point will go to every 3 weeks for Herceptin for the remainder of the year on it.  My onc hasn't told me when I will go to every 3 weeks yet. 

    LizzyAnne:  I had to get a blood transfusion once during my A/C treatments.  My red cells were at 8, and I have never felt more tired in my life.  They gave me Benedry during the transfusion, so I slept almost the whole time and went to bed when I got home.  But when I woke up the next day I really did feel like a new woman.  The difference really does happen that fast.  I hope you feel better soon!

  • Drim
    Drim Member Posts: 302
    edited August 2010

    Hi Emster! I had taxotere/cytoxan x 4. I started the herceptin the week after my 2nd TC. Had it weekly until chemo ended and now it's every 3 weeks until May 2011. The reason for the less aggressive TC x 4 vs. than the standard TCH x 6 was because of the low grade and low intermediate oncotype score (got that done before we knew I was HER2+ for sure).

  • Emster
    Emster Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    Thank you Drim for sharing. I wish I was given that option. Onc x 2 wanted TCH x6 so I am starting this Friday. I am also using PCCs so any input/tidbits would be greatly appreciated as I have not even practiced putting them on yet. As you may know, I just wish it was all done yesterday!  I am so glad you are on the homestretch!

  • ishobie
    ishobie Member Posts: 96
    edited August 2010

    me too, i will finish 6 treatments of taxotere, carboplatin and herceptin september 23rd n then 9 months of herceptin. I got two opinions, one from my oncologist here in florida and one in New York that my sister gave all my records to.  They both agreed on this treatment for Stage 1, DCIS and IDC, small tumor, no nodes involved. Must be a standard protocol for this type of BC.

  • Boo307
    Boo307 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2010

    Emster,

    I was also hormone negative, HER2+, and no nodes with bilateral BC; 1.8 cm IDC on the left and DCIS on the right side.  I had Taxotere and Cytoxin, for 4 cycles every three weeks and Herceptin for the year.

    I was very surprised and upset to read that this course of treatment is in Phase II testing to determine 1. what the DFS (disease free survival) is at 2 years and 2. what the overall safety and cardiac safety is and determine the the overall survival at 2 years.  

    The researcher is quoted: "This is a nice little schedule, Dr. Jones said. After 12 weeks, the patient is done with chemotherapy.  He added that to his knowledge, oncologists are already using the regimen-This gives it justification, he said.

    Jennifer Eng-Wong, MD, MPH, Assistant Professor of the Division of Hematology and Oncology at Georgetown University Hospital, commented, The regimen looks safe.  Now we'll have to wait and see efficacy data." 

    http://journals.lww.com/oncology-times/Fulltext/2009/02251/Short_Course_of_Docetaxel_Cyclophosphamide__.10.aspx

    For the research study see: http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00493649

    If this research goes well, probably is a few years they will run a Phase III trial to measure the effectiveness against the known effectiveness of AC+TH and TCH, to see if Taxotere, Cytoxan, and Herceptin are as good and has fewer side effects.  

    I wasn't in the trial or informed that it was in Phase II testing.  As a patient with high risk node negative disease, not elderly, no personal or family history of heart disease, no other medical problems, and willing and eager to pursue aggressive treatment, I have lost trust in my oncologist. 

    So to answer your question, yes Taxotere, Cytoxan, and Herceptin are being used, but no we don't know if it reduces the rate of recurrence as well as the standard regimes; AC+TH or TCH.

    Boo

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited August 2010

    Boo

    I am confused here, Did you not have TCH? Or are you saying because it was only 4 cycles it was not proven?

    From my understanding  TCH can be Taxol or Taxotere, Carpbo, or Cytoxin and Herceptin. 

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited August 2010

    Boo

    I am confused here, Did you not have TCH? Or are you saying because it was only 4 cycles it was not proven?

    From my understanding  TCH can be Taxol or Taxotere, Carpbo, or Cytoxin and Herceptin. 

  • Emster
    Emster Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2010

    thank you all for the replies.  I have chosen to proceed with the TCH taxotere, carboplatin and herceptin and will start next friday. i wish it was yesterday already.  I also asked the 2nd onc his opinion on the 4 or 6 cycles and he said that 6 is just the standard and he is at an institution that is familiar with different trials. Also, he is an advocate for the penguin cold caps which is a plus for me

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited August 2010

    Boo -

    I am sorry for the doubts your treatment has left you with.  My onc wanted to give me the regimen you had, and I was just lucky that I caught the difference between the TCHs we were each referring to and insisted on TCH carbo x6.  One thing I have had doubts about since then, that could possibly ease your doubts is to ask him why he recommended TCH - cytoxin x 4.  There must be a rationale that so many oncs give this regimen.  Although not demonstrated equivalent in a study - perhaps there is substancial other information that strongly suggests this is a better approach.  I never asked my onc.  He is not a great communicator and doesn't deal with confrontation well (but very good in some other respects) , so I never will ask him.  But your onc probably has a rationale for the treatment (hopefully other than "thats what others give"), that may make sense.

  • Boo307
    Boo307 Member Posts: 222
    edited August 2010

    Empster,

    Best wishes on your chemo journey. 

    Mmm5,

    Unless I am misreading, the NCCN.org Practice Guidelines, they recommend TCH as one of the two preferred chemo regimes.  They present TCH as Taxotere, Carboplatin, and Herceptin with 6 cycles of the Taxotere and Carboplatin and the year of Herceptin.    http://www.nccn.org/professionals/physician_gls/PDF/breast.pdf  You may have to register. 

    I did not have the recommended TCH regime; I had 4 cycles of Taxotere, Cytoxan, and a year of Herceptin. 

    From my reading, the Taxotere, Cytoxan, and Herceptin Phase II study isn't complete yet we don't know what the DFS might be. 

    Boo

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