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Hi there,

good move, thenewme! Looking for positive information on any 'gov'-site (or worse, the Sloan Kettering site) about alternative therapies is like asking for an opinion about Personal Computers to a Mac user... They just don't wonna know.

Sheila, if you wonna find out about non-conventional cancer therapies you have to take a real interest yourself and start reading books like 'Outsmart your Cancer - Alternative Non-Toxic Treatments That Work ('includes the definitive information about Protocel a formula countless cancer patients are having success with!'), second edition, by Tanya Harter Pierce, M.A., MFCC.

My girlfriend was diagnosed with malignant breast cancer (two tumors) and was adviced to have a mastectomy, followed by chemo and radiation. We found out, a few hours before the operation, about German New Medicine (GNM) - and later about B17/Amygdalin. She didn't have any conventional treatment (not even drugs), but went along with GNM and B17/Amygdalin and now, 16 months after the mammo (April 2, 2009) she feels better than ever before.

Good luck to you! 

It isn't "politics" to criticize the government for incomplete, outdated or misleading information. Please don't try to censor people posting here. And, as a reminder, the US prides itself on the ability to criticize its government.

This is just me, adding this topic to my favorites...

"This ignorant way of talking to people who see through the facade..."

There's no need for insults, placebo.  And I was unaware that you have a medical degree and have scientifically researched alternative medicines.

For every person who uses alternative medicine and feels fine, there are others who use it and don't feel fine.  Myself, for example, and a sister of a dear friend who was absolutely religious with her use of alternative medicines and rejection of "so-called modern medicine."  There are similar stories with patients using current protocol (chemo, radiation, etc.).  As far as I can tell, neither realm has cured anything, but current protocol seems more effective, at least in my case.

If you can provide scientific studies that prove alternative therapies are more effective, please provide them.

E

mollyann,

I am Stage IV as is the other person I mentioned above.

Edited to add:  I am now in remission thanks to conventional therapies.

Placebo -

I think you're strong-minded enough to have a medical degree and be a maverick among the sheeple.  You should go for it! 

I have read Pure's statements and the other alternative/conventional medicine arguments.  It's an individual choice and conventional therapies have worked best for me. 

Thanks for your input, though.

E

Dear Sheila8,

many people think: "if alternative cancer treatments exist, that work, why don't they get approved by the FDA?"

They should take a look at the following clips:

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=C5E3FA45A61C64961E590573EC1FDF2F

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=26E875D159E63E72B4478284AF7A3AFC

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=AC62E71C79ABD8893B4912A76E88589F

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=1E19F7816690AF08AC2EB2A4D01F90D6

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=048F4951FA3686194A297EEBB9819637

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnsQVEbJBuI&feature=related

I've read many books about alternative cancer treatments, most of them written by real doctors (who turned away from delivering toxic 'medicine' to already ill people) and they all had similar experiences with the FDA as shown in these videos.

God bless
 

Hi CrunchyPoodleMama,

would you do me a favor and clap in your hands (like when you're applauding). Then tell me if your right hand or left hand is 'on top'. This simple natural test shows if you are really left- or righthanded. In my case, I've always thought I was 100% righthanded, but when I do this 'clap test', it shows that I'm really a lefthanded person. With this information one can determine which side of the brain is more dominant.

Please, humor me. There's a good reason why I'm asking you this.

Hi CrunchyPoodleMama,

thanks for doing the test. Here's the reason I was asking you about this: 

http://www.germannewmedicine.ca/documents/sp-breastcancer.html#Intra-ductal_breast_cancer

Hope there's something in there for you like there was for us. Although my girlfriend had glandular breast cancer - she's right handed and the tumors were in her right breast - she had a very negative expierience at work with a new boss about 8 months before a mammo showed she had breast cancer. This bad situation with her new boss lasted for about 6 months (then she was transferred to another departement and the whole situation kinda resolved itself). 

Maybe you think this is all silly, and that's okay too of course.

Best wishes. 

Hi AnneW,

mammogram (April 2, 2009)/ultrasound/biospy/second opinion at the University Hospital Leuven (June 2009)  - plus the fact that her oncologist wanted to perform a mastectomy one week after the results from the formerly mentioned examinations were in. He was going to start chemo and radiation soon after the operation. We have the medical documents about all this, atleast the copies we've received from our doctor (he printed them out straight from his computer, which is connected to some kind of medical 'intranet'). So, we're pretty sure she really had malignant breast cancer...

Regarding 'follow ups', in September 2009 we've had two ultrasounds 3 days apart. The first at the same hospital where the first ultrasound was taken, concluding that the situation was pretty much the same as three months earlier, the one from 3 days later (taken at a radiology center at another town) saying the images from 3 months earlier were nowhere to be found anymore... Then, January 2010, the same doctor at this same radiology center seemed to have changed his mind about all this (probably after a reprimand of the oncologist who wanted to perform the mastectomy 6 months earlier). Now he stated that the 'known tumors were not clearly determinable' and he found a new tumoral process in the right breast. He even mentioned a small cyst in the left breast.

After finishing his examination he told my girlfriend: "there's something there, but then again, you knew this already." When my girlfriend told me about this at home, I phoned him and asked him what he meant by that. He shouted that cancer doesn't go away and that we should seek proper medical care, etc. You have to know that at the first examination (September 2009), we showed him only a small reference note, which said only 'follow up carcinoma' - it didn't mention the fact that we refused conventional therapy, nor did it say anything about the earlier examinations (biopsy, etc.). It was only after he told my girlfriend that everything looked fine, that we showed him the ultrasounds from three months and three days earlier, after which he performed another
ultrasound (he couldn't believe his eyes), but in the end he had to admit that the two tumors were gone (his own words). 

This doctor even denied he ever made a phone call to our family doctor, telling him to ensure us that we had nothing to worry about - in his first report he did advice us to get a MRI, but this is standard procedure. Oh right, in his second report, besides the bad news, he did mention that the lymph nodes were clear. As if this would make us run back to the hospital, thinking how lucky we were to still have a chance to get out off this situation by means of 'only' mastectomy/chemo and radiation (I mean, he didn't mention the lymph nodes in his first report...).

I hope you can follow this rather confusing chain of events.  

Anyway, after this whole charade we've not again been near another doctor or hospital. 

You're very welcome, AnneW. By the way, we didn't use laetrile, but metabolic therapy, based on - and build around - B17 (apricot kernels)/Amygdaline.

Here's some quite interesting clips about this treatment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1CUSJjZL0&feature=related 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RW6hHNqkw

This is based on the assumption that cancer is caused by the lack of B17 in the body. There's another theory about the cause for cancer and it's called 'German New Medicine' (GNM). It looks alot more far fetched for most people, because it states that cancer is a way the body deals with biological emergency situations (which trigger certain biological processes in the body, like cell proliferation - these are meant to be temporary processes, but, with humans, these processes can last much longer - compared to other animals - because of the pretty 'unnatural' environment we've created for ourselves, and the way our brain is able to create 'virtual' threats (money=food, for instance).

Anyway, this is all rather complicated at first, so here's a link to a site where you can read more about GNM:

http://www.learninggnm.com/home.html 

http://www.learninggnm.com/documents/sp-breastcancer.html

Best wishes.

CrunchyPoodleMama, you're very welcome. We found out about GNM the night before my girlfriend had to check into the hospital for a mastectomy. Actually, it was me who stumbled onto a 1 hour video, showing Dr. Hamer talking with Prof. Miklosko, rector of the university of Trnava in Slovakia. The latter confirmed that there had been a scientific verification of GNM at his university on September 11th 1998.

Later on we attended a 7 hour lecture about GNM and went to see some people who told us about their personal experiences with GNM. In the meantime we started taking apricot kernels in combination with pancreatic enzymes, zinc, magnesium, selenium, vitamine C, vitamine D3, etc.
I followed the same diet as my girlfriend, except for the 500mg Amygdalin capsules (she never took laetrile, only the apricot kernels and Amygdalin).

In order to study all of this thoroughly I took a few months off from work (my boss didn't like it, but I told him it was simply a matter of priorities). I've watched videos of doctors who worked with GNM, read books about it (also about B17 and many other alternative therapies) and tried to put everything together. I watched debates between conventional doctors and Dr. Hamer (and Helmut Pilhar, who's daughter Olivia was forced to take chemo when the parents wanted to stay with GNM - in one of the videos Pilhar revealed a document which made it clear that the doctor in front of him knew GNM worked, but didn't ever wanted it to be officially tested. You should have seen his face when this document showed up - he was the head of some board of doctors and had circulated this paper to his colleagues).

Then there are the many verifications at different hospitals, etc. and the fact that nobody ever took on the challenge of Dr. Hamer to indeed put his theory to the test (he has been asking this from the start, some 30 years ago). Also, there are other indications for this theory to work, like the fact that 22% of breast cancer disappears if not detected (a study from 2008, which you can find at PubMed and allover the internet) and the observation of many doctors that in many cases of spontaneous regression, the patients had high fever before their cancers started to disappear (see the work of Dr. Coley).

Also the fact that the body treats cancer as a 'guest': the immune system leaves it alone, the body even provides extra blood vessels for the tumors and the cancer cells are not normal cells, but are made easy recognizable for when the moment comes to have them removed (after the conflict is resolved).

About you being righthanded, you said: "My right hand is on top... although I noticed last time I was at a concert and my husband was sitting to my right, my left hand was on top". Maybe you're both right- and lefthanded. Maybe you could post this question at the learninggnm site. Funnily, about the 'clap test' it says there: 'Clap your hands as you would when applauding in a theatre. The hand that is on top is the prominent or leading hand, indicating the person's biological handedness.'

I could go on for hours about all this (and I'm sure you could too), but this should do for now. One thing is sure, if something doesn't feel good, you probably shouldn't go for it.

Hi there,

no more replies since Aug 20, 2010 - strange.

I've just finished watching the docu-movie 'Burzynski', about a doctor who found a treatment for cancer (based on 'antineoplastons') and got harassed by the FDA/NCI/AMA, etc. who wants to throw him in prison. Turns out that the NCI/BigPharma (with the help of the FDA) is after his patented invention.

Very shocking (don't watch it if you believe that the FDA/NCI/AMA/BigPharma has your best interest in mind).

Best wishes. 

Dear Kim,

What is the cost of a thermogram? I know many women who are refusing mammograms, and I and all my 5 daughters are 6 of them (one who was dx with TNBC in 2007).! My GYN, knowing I refuse to have a mammogram, just recommended a Thermogram. Of course we know that insurance will not cover these.