Chemo June 2010

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  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    Just back from chemo #4 only 2 more to go!  Pretty uneventful, now I am on the "keep the constipation away" mode! 

    julia-  Initially I thought Tamoxifen was just a given. I am still in the research mode.  I think the bigger your recurrence risk, the bigger your benefit.  With a lower recurrence risk, your benefits are also lower.  Tamoxifen has a lot of SE including heart, stroke, blod clot and uterine cancer.  As I will be getting radiation on my left side, very close to the chest wall, the radiation may "kiss" the heart and lungs, which may cause some heart damage.   If Tamox can cause additional heart problems, that's a concern. I also have a non-sympomatic blood condition which caused me to miscarry three times (due to clotting in placenta).  So I have to weigh whether the benefits outweigh the other health risks.  If I was at higher risk, I might think differently. Also, I am perimenopausal.  Tamoxifen is usually given to premenopausal women.  I think then you switch to Aromatase inhibitors.  I think there is new information just out that seems to say the Aromatase inhibitors can be used as effectively.  SO much research, my poor brain is exploding!

    jenweg- I haven't had nose sores with chemo, but my son has that problem in the winter.  I found this rather "old fashioned" ointment called Boroleum.  It comes in a tube and seems to work well.  Like with everything else, nausea, constipation etc....it's best to be proactive.  A little on a q-tip every night will keep your nose happy.  Once cracks or lesions start, it is harder to get rid of them.  I also swear by tea tree oil.  However DON'T use it undiluted.  I have actually used the tea tree oil chap stick (on a q-tip) and it works too.

    JFV- So sorry about your Onc's scary statistics.  It is her job to tell you everything, including the worst case scenarios.  Just know there are countless people who BEAT the odds, even lousy ones!  Just today I ended up sitting next to a gentleman in chemo. DH and I couldn't believe it as he was a former colleague of DH.  Small world or another "God Wink".  This guy has been through such an ordeal, tumor on the spine which they said would leave him paralyzed after surgery.  After surgery they kept "testing" his legs for feeling.  He finally told them to leave him alone, his legs worked fine.  The doctors just couldn't seem to accept that he was NOT paralyzed.You just keep your eyes on the prize and beat those odds!

    Thanks to everyone for the BRCA feedback.  More research!  Okay, I think I need a snooze now. I didn't sleep much last night and chemo tuckered me out.

  • DiDel
    DiDel Member Posts: 1,329
    edited August 2010

    Hi All!!! Just popping in to see how everyone is doing!

    Jenweg -- I got sores in my poor nose too! I put neosporin on a Qtip it definitely helped but I made sure to clean off the tip of the neosporin with some alcohol before swapping the Qtip with it. it helped. I also got a sore in my ear which was weird but after my first treatment my ear bled and then a sore developed and it took a while to go away...I now have stock in neosporin.

    Interesting conversation about the BRCA test. I put it off as well cause I was so tired of test and waiting for results etc. BUT now my sisters are bugging me to get it because apparently if I get the test insurance covers it and if they get the test after me the costs is only a couple hundred dollars. My test would create the baseline for them. Since I also have young nieces I will get it done. I just feel like I have to wait until after my reconstruction surgery. 

    I have a question though, just because you have the gene does that mean you will DEFINITELY develop cancer or you are again at increased risk?? Cause aren't all siblings at increased risk because of my diagnosis anyway?????

    Good luck to all with upcoming treatments...and rest up to those who just had treatment.

     Diane 

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    I was very suprised by the not work thing.  Everytime I go it's something new.  I sort of wonder if she has a problem with another patient and then decides if she is gonna' change something or tell me somthing based on what happened to someone with a similar Dx.  Tmarina like you I would have recess and lunch duty as well as arrival, dismissal and a whole day in the class room with a diabetic 1st grader.  And I was working with older kids the last three years so it would be a whole new set of germs for me to deal with.  I'm wondering what the rads doc will say too about working.  Also since I won't be working I'll have a huge commute to this doc.  I could go to one locally but she doesn't know him.  I dunno.... TMarina have you heard from your daughter.  Is she settling in to school?

    Kittycat it was pretty awful her telling me my bad statistics.  Particularly after I told her I was feeling very fragile after reading my post surgery report.  Hopefully, I am done with bad news.  I will beat the odds and get on with my life.  I know the worry and fear doesn't help a thing,.  I am doing everything possible to beat this or at least put it in remission for a loooong time. I just need to get the strength to stop worrying.

  • julia2
    julia2 Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2010

    DesignerMom,

    On the Tamoxifen risk thing, realize your low risk of recurrence is only valid if you take Tamoxifen.  Oncotype scores assume Tamoxifen for 5 years, part of what the score is evaluating is how well your cancer will respond to Tamoxifen.  I have a high score and Tamoxifen, whilst I will get it, isn't going to do much for me.  I'm not sure you're looking at the oncotype score correctly.  It is not evaluating the risk of your cancer recurring, but rather the risk of your cancer recurring if you get Tamoxifen and no chemo.

    Julia 

    Julia 

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Designer Mom  I guess it is better to know the worst.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    JFV--thanks for asking about my daughter.  I talked to her a little while ago, and she is doing very well.  She is on a tour of the brand new campus right now and just sent me a text telling me its "the bomb!"  (that means its really great! lol!)  Mostly I am looking forward to this new phase of my life, but sometimes I really miss her!  In the last year I've had one daughter get married, another one have a baby, and my baby graduate and go off to college--all the while doing chemo and being reated for 2 different cancers.  I really hope and pray the next few years will be cancer and tx free!

    Didel--its my understanding that if you have either bc gene you are at increased risk.  One is increased risk for just bc, the other is increased risk for bc and other cancers. (don't remember all the details).  And I think then that sibs and kids would have even more risk?  Not sure about that though.  A genetic counselor will answer all that for you--and probably some other ladies here know more too! :)

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010

    tmarina, im so tired of chemo as well! ill be thinking of you on that day!!!!

    im still an emotional wreck, wondering if i should do it? if i can do it? im still crying a lot, the meds dont seem to be helping, i wonder if they have made it worse, my ONC is never around, i left messages yesterday about my depression and no call back yet, i need to find a way to pull myself up, i just dont know how? i dont know how to be me anymore, im so scared to start the taxol. i dont mean to complain but i cant keep it in any more, i cry as i type this,im such a baby, i wanna sleep through it, i wanna be me again and enjoy life, i love to read all your post cause your all funny and positive, ok im done complaining, im sorry

    love Chey

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Cheyenna-- the se's for the weekly taxol sound MUCH easier than the AC.  Try to look at the big picture.  You are so young, and this is just a few months out of your WHOLE life.  A life that you will be able to enjoy once again SOON.  I know its hard, but you have to think about all you have to live for.  That is why we are going through this.  Last year I was having a rough time with chemo and I just looked at my new grandbaby and decided I would do this for him.  I want to be around for a long time to see him grow up!

    Continue trying to get through to your onc.  I'm sure there is something he/she can do for you.  Or you could try your primary physician too.  My cancer center also has counselors we can talk to--have you tried that yet?  Maybe talking this through with a professional would help.

    Think of some things that make you happy--is there a favorite place you can visit?  A night out at a play or comedy club?  A girls weekend away?  I plan on getting out to some lunches next week before I start chemo again.  Also, reading Psalms really helps me alot.

    Its ok to let your feelings out here--we'll get through this together!

    Love ya!
    Tina

  • HolliColorado
    HolliColorado Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2010
    Thanks, Bon!  I'm trying my best to find the silver linings and even have fun when I can.  I'm very close to getting hats from all 50 states and plan to use them to raise more money for my Race for the Cure team (Denver race is Oct. 3).
  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited August 2010

    Thanks girls for the nose tips!!  Joan, how awful to hear bad statistic crap from your onco.  Just remember you are not a statistic, we can't dwell on that, we are all real people who will get through this bulls*** and be stronger from it!!!!  We all must stay positive.  Attitude is everything

  • Trusting
    Trusting Member Posts: 43
    edited August 2010

    Hi Designer Mom,

     I am so happy to hear that you only have 2 more chemo's sessions to go. I often read your post here and you are so comforting and warm to others. You must have a lot of friends and  be well liked. I hope all goes well with you on your cancer journey. You just strike me as such a kind and caring person from what I see you write to others here.

    Take Care,

    Trusting

  • brat352
    brat352 Member Posts: 41
    edited August 2010

    Hello all you beautiful ladies!

    GOOD NEWS!  I'M DONE WITH CHEMO!!!! 

    My last chemo was Wednesday and I'm so happy to be feeling my LAST side effects. 

    I go in next Wednesday (8/25) for my initial  preparation (markings, etc) for rads though.  This is going to be difficult as I will have to go every day for 6 - 7 weeks.  I know tx only takes about 5 minutes (longer to get undressed and dressed again!), but it will take me about 20 - 25 minutes each way to get to and from tx.  And as my company will not pay me for the time off (even though they consider it FMLA), I'm going to have to work LOTS of extra hours to make up the time (or take vacation time).  BIG SIGH. 

    Already working about 10 hours a day (9.5 wtih 1/2 hour off for lunch),  so I figure I'm going to have to come in at least 1 hour early every single day and stay at least 1 hour every day after work.  This could get very tiring!

    But I will stay here on the board to help where I can and to wish everyone well.  You are a great group of ladies!

    Love to all!

    Deb

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    Brat352...CONGRATULATIONS!  You are our proof positive that there is a light at the end of the tunnel!  Please keep us posted on the rad tx.  I dread that and will have a 3 hr. roundtrip drive each day for at least 5 weeks. I'm worried about not having any time to work then!

    All the best to you...Bon

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    WHOO HOO Bat352!  How wonderful to be done.  I am so sorry they are giving you a hard time at work.  Can't you speak to your Human Relations person at work to get some relief?

    BON are you sleeping?

    TMARINA  Wow has your family ever been through alot of changes over the last year or so.  My head would be spinning with all you've been through.

    JENWEG  Thanks.  I have cried alot and then decided I don't accept what I was hearing from her. I know her mortality rates line up with alot of info you can find online.  Yet on our first visit she went to adjuvant online plugged in my tumour status etc and plugged in my treatment and got a really good number for survival without reoccurence.  So I went to cancer math site and plugged in my tumour info.  Their mortality rates are very similar to what onc said when she scared me yesterday.  Then, I did the math on the cancer math site  for same tumour etc with my treatment plan and my survival rates go way up. I really don't understand what she was trying to communicate with me.  She and I do have  communication problems.   I think I am at the point  emotionally where I am ready to believe I can live a long life.  I am a worrier by nature and I guess I got an onc with the same nature.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    brat352-->CONGRATS on finishing chemo!!  Yes, please do keep us updated on rads.  I find out next week if I have to have it.  Sorry you have to work so much.  I don't think I'll go back to work until I'm all finished with all my tx. 

    Jeez Bon!  That is a lot of drive time!  But it will be worth it to know that you are doing everything you can to kick cancer's butt!

    D-mom--you're almost finished with chemo!  Now for that decision about tamox....Do whatever you will be comfortable with!  Good luck with your decision!

    Hope everyone can enjoy their weekend!

    Tina

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited August 2010
    WOOHOO DEB!  CELEBRATION.  CONGRATULATIONS!!Laughing
  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    Still not sleeping well and am not writing much becasue I'm loopy. But I read all and am wishing each of you time in the NO SE Zone. I celebrate your successes and truly mourn your pain. I worry about each of you and

    My own personal hellish SE this last tx is screaming indigestion from everything that I eat or drink. No sleep and stabbing pain in the solar plexus means I'm doubled over and drowsy and wobbly...great look for a Realtor, wouldn't you say? "Sure, Martha, let's buy a home from that woman. She's ever so professional". 

    My theme song for the day is the classic BeeGee's disco.."Stayin' alive...staying alive...uh, uh, uh, uh, Stayin' Aliiiiiive...".

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    Bon-  I'm so sorry you are suffering from digestion SE and sleep deprivation.  Have you tried probiotics/acidophilus?  I swear it helps if I remember to take it regularly.  We forget that chemo kills a lot of our digestive enzymes along with cancer.  And pleeeeease don't fret about how professional you look.  Have you noticed how some of your clients look?  Jeez, I actually see people who look like they have rolled right out of bed, thrown on ratty flip flops and walk their dog in Central Park wearing pink,poodle, flannel pajamas!  Now that's just not right!  I'm sure you look better on your worst day than they do on their best day!

    brat-  I am sending up a big Hallelujah and doing the happy dance for you.  I am right behind you girl!  I can't wait to be "you"!

    trusting-  Thank you for your kind comment.  All of you ladies have turbo-propelled yourselves right into my heart.  The only good thing about this stinkin' disease is the instant bond and friendships that we make along the way.  I am so blessed to have great friends, family, a loving husband and son....and now all of you.  I don't know what this journey would be like without you.  Do I see you are from British Columbia?  My husband was born in Vancouver and we spend part of the year on a nearby island.  It is my other home!

    cheynne-  How are you doing kid?  We're here for you if you need to talk.

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    DesignerMom...Thanks, but I have taken Protonix,  Pepcid, Gas-ex and Tums, plus a probiotic preparation. All of those in combo and nothing helps. It's maddening. Absolutely everything, both solid and liquid, causes pain and uncontrollable burping that just sounds nasty. Add that to my professional repertoire!  I don't have a gall bladder anymore so that's not the culprit. I had a bit of this after round 1 of the chemo. Not so bad post round 2. This time it's a winner...."And the award for the most bothersome SE of round 3 goes to ...Acid Reflux!"  

    Sorry to whine about something like this when others are facing bigger challenges. I worry about everyone...Chey, please see if  there is a professional counselor who specializes in working with people confronted by illness. He or she (hopefully it would be a she in this case) might have a fresh approach and and get you to a more peaceful mind space. I Googled your area and found at least one psychologist who mentions that she deals with chronic health issues. (Her name is Anita Kemp, can't remember any the rest of her other info. Don't know if she's good or not). You can't make good choices when you're depressed. And it's hard not to be depressed when you're faced with all this chemo and cancer stuff.  I worry that your depression will paralyze you or keep you from making the best decisions for your future. We are always here for you but perhaps you will benefit even more from seeing a qualified professional.

    Going back to my hole for the rest of the day. Be well everyone.

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Oh Bon hang in there.  Have you tried carafate?  I take that protonix and pepcid.  It took awhile but eventuall it helped.

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010
    Bon-Oh I feel for you.  If you were here, you could entertain my 11 year old.  For some reason he thinks burping is the best thing!  I know you have probably thought about this already, but propping yourself up and sleeping sitting up, nestled in pillows is better than flat.  I actually did this last night as I was suffering from nausea and reflux after chemo.  It was my own fault as I ate a spicy Mexican salad after chemo.  What was I thinking??  I finally threw up at 4 a.m.  That helped!
  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited August 2010

    Cheyenne - I would definitely ask about a counselor at your onco's office.  Mine suggested seeing one after I had a meltdown at the office a couple weeks ago.  I didn't see the counselor, but my onco changed my regimen to the weekly Taxol treatments.  So, hopefully you will feel better on the weekly Taxol treatments, too.  I'm on day 4 and so far I'm doing okay.  It is easier than the AC.  Also, are you taking anything for anxiety like Xanax?  That might help.  I take Ativan, just once a day, right before I go to sleep.  It seems to help! 

    Brat - CONGRATS!!!!  I am so happy for you that finished chemo!  Lucky you!!! :)

    Designermom - I also suffer from digestive issues, mainly constipation these days.  I hate it.  I eat all kinds of fruit and high fiber foods with no luck.  Senokot S hardly makes a difference either .  :(

  • janny99
    janny99 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2010

    Kittycat ~ I just finished my 9 weekly Taxol/Herceptin course of treatment, and I felt that my SE's were minimal with the more frequent, smaller dosing.  My pre-chemo meds included Decadron, Pepcid, Benadryl, Anzemet & Ativan.  Yes, I had some yucky, tired days...but, the GI stuff was the worse part for me, well, and the fatigue.  Cheyenne ~ Hang in there girl, you've been heavy on my heart these past few days...

    I start my next 9 weeks tomorrow.   FEC (thought it was FAC, but my oncologist decided on the "E" rather than the "A" part of my cocktail).  I am so nervous, everyone says this course of treatment is going to be rough, and I'm very, very scared.  My kids are my support system, and I feel like I'm burning them out.  I try to be positive, and yet my girls tell me how negative I am!!!  Stinks when you feel like you're handling this whole rotten situation pretty well, and then whammy, you find out you're a 'negative nelly'...or so my kids tell me.  

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    janny99-  You and your kids are in my prayers. 

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010
    janny-I don't think you are being negative, you just have SO much to deal with.  I think everyone sort of gets into "overload" and gets testy. Even my DH, who is the most supportive, patient person I have ever know, has gotten a bit "fed up".  He actually said (not in a mean way) "boy am I tired of this".  To which I simply responded "yep, you can bet I know how you feel".  For me, the best strategy is to not respond, just side-step any tense moments.  It gives everyone breathing space to regroup, get strong, patient and determined again an get through these miserable treatments.  And by the way, you have every right to be miserable at times.  This disease and fighting it stinks big time.  I would think you were insane if you were all "Everything is beautiful, in its own way"!  As always, you remain in my prayers.
  • kickazz
    kickazz Member Posts: 19
    edited August 2010

    Hi ladies-long time reader, writing not as much.  Anyways, thought I would tell you guys I am done with chemo...YEAH  I was originally suppossed to have 6 rounds of TCH, but because I had such a good response and the tumor could not be felt anymore...we did a MRI.  The MRI showed the tumor disappeared as well as the lymph are normal size.  So I am off to surgery in two weeks, and still have rads as well.  But, I though I would share with you ladies to see if any of you might want toi request MRI?  I did total of 4 rounds, and depending on pathology I might have to do 2 more... but praying I dont.  Praying for you all.  Steph

  • julia2
    julia2 Member Posts: 183
    edited August 2010

    Hey Bon,

    At least you're burping, I'm farting!  It's awful:-)  However, I think to myself, well at least now I know what heartburn and acid reflux are, not something I ever experienced before!  I wish you were in AZ, we need a realtor there, shopping for a 2nd home.  The realtor we were using was doing my head in, I think I'd like working with you!

    Julia  

  • lizzyanne
    lizzyanne Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2010

    Haven't posted in a bit - my sister was visiting from Germany (munich area) for two weeks. I just finished my 4th A/C and will start my 12 weekly taxol/herceptin on the 26th. Hoping for minimal side effects and keeping in mind all the wonderful advice I get from this group. It is so great that we are all here for each other. However, sometimes the online group is not enough and we need to get more hands on help. Please, if you are very depressed - get some immediate  help. Call your local Cancer Society and get a referral. As someone who needed help for other issues in the past - it can be a blessing.

    Liz 

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    Julia2...what a great pair we'd make looking at homes together, you farting loudly and 'fragrantly", and me, doubled over in pain and burping loud and proud! Don't you think they'd just love to see us coming through the door?

    My reflux is so bad now that I can't even get relief from a bland diet. I just took a sip of diluted apple juice and the pain going down was incredible. My gut is shot. I'll be cured of cancer after this but have no GI tract!

    If you want a name for a Realtor in your area who might be someone you'd better relate to, send me a PM with some info and I'll call a few agents out there and do some interviewing. I've got a pretty powerful professional network and do a lot of referrals. That's far easier to do from the sofa than actually showing properties. Last Friday I was stuck in sand ruts when I dragged myself out to put a sign up on some vacant commercial land. Good thing I have a small SUV and was able to navigate around the dune. It was the absolute middle-of-nowhere and I was getting weepy...I thought I'd die out there and the headline would be "Bald Realtor found Dead in Sand Pit...film at 11".

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    Bon-God bless you Bon.  You have me laughing out loud with your evening news headline about being found in a sand pit.  I sure hope you find some relief soon.  I wonder if the girls over on the alternative thread might have some advice how to deal with the indigestion?

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