Chemo June 2010

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  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    Bon-I'm so sorry your rash is not clearing up. Do you have a digital camera?   As the pharmaceutical company seemed to be interested enough to document the reaction, perhaps take a photos documenting your reactions and send it to them?  Also send photos to your Onc?  I have a feeling these doctors don't quite realize how serious some of our SE are and give them lip service.  I have a feeling their just knowing you are documenting with photos might keep them more on their toes.

    As for my own itchy bite-like thing.  I (I should say DH) have been photographing it's progression which I will share with my Onc.  I swear it feels like a cold sore on my butt!   Very red and itchy, then with little blisters that scab over.  I used to get cold sores on my lip about 30 years ago.  I know the herpes virus which causes it never goes away, remains dormant in the nerves.  Maybe chemo caused it to flare up on my butt??I guess we are our own new detectives.  If we don't tell the doctors and pharmaceutical companies, how wll they know?

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010
    Latte-I'm not on the taxanes, but I know most of the ladies on the threads that use them definitely use ice on toes and fingernails.  Also I read one Onc nurse swears by tea tree oil rubbed into nails.  I view it like chewing on ice chips, it can't hurt you and it might just help.  I would do it.  Maybe look at the other threads (Taxotere, Taxol)  and find out their tips.  I know those girls have come up with some easy ways to cool the nails during infusion I think those gel freezer packs?.  Best of luck!
  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010

    latte, ive heard girls use frozen bags of peas because they mold to your nails better...good luck!!

    Bon, im so sorry, that dam rash!!!! im thinking of you...

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    DesignerMom - thanks for the suggestion to look at the taxol/taxotere threads - i'm having trouble finding them when i search - any suggestions on how to find the right threads?

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010
    latte-if you click on "search", then in the forum choice window, choose "chemotherapy, before, during and after".  Then type "taxotere" in the keyword box and hit enter.  There are several threads for ladies taking taxotere "Cytoxan and taxotere" etc...They may be different than your combos, but are about taxotere.  Some of these threads have been running for years and should give feedback on nails etc...  Good luck!
  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    DesignerMom...I just got back from meeting with a client who confided that she had cancer 4 years ago. She had chemo and got a rash on her butt part way through her treatments. It didn't itch at first and she only noticed it when she caught a glimpse of her behind in the mirror after a shower. It eventually cleared up and she squelched the itch that did develop with hydrocortisone cream.

    I'd say that a rash IS common in patients actively undergoing chemo and the manufacturer says so in the literature that they give to patients. I just think that the oncs don't see it much because most patients don't report it because they think it's a bug bite or just totally unrelated. Package insert says it's only considered 'severe' in 5% of patients anyway. Severe or not, it's annoying.

    I sure wouldn't rule out any rash as not being related to chemo. Sanofi-Aventis says it's common, happens 'between' treatments and 'generally goes away before your next treatment.

    Of course, I'm so flipping annoyed with my onc, I could be over reacting here. I am on Prednisone and feeling feisty.  But don't for a hot minute think that that happens to you for the next few months isn't related to a chemo SE. It probably is. Maybe not on the level of a true allergy, but yet another glorious SE.

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Woke up this morning with a urinary tract infection.  Doctor on call prescribed antibiotic.  Drinking water and cranberry juice by the gallons and feeling better.  Wondering if this will get in the way of my first Taxol infusion on Monday.  Don't want to take all those steroids, show up and have the infusion canceled. 

    My oncology nurse also mention tea trea oil for my nails while on Taxol.  Not sur exactly when or how often I am to use it but that was the suggestion.  The other Taxol suggestion was drink tonic water.  I think for the possible muscle /bone pain issues.

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    JFV - The tonic water suggestion is because of the quinine it contains. I also saw it suggested on one of the forums to help with leg cramps.

    DMom - thaks for the search help :-)

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Latte:  did they mention how much or how often

    Bon  and designermom Have you been checked for cellulitis? i

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited August 2010

    Jenweg You are my inspiration!  Glad you are feeling (relatively) bettera and hope I follow in your footsteps! Toni

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010

    JFV, my nurses said to use tea tree oil as well, i use it once a day and rub it in, on my toes as well.. mine is called Jason tea tree. i got it at Orchard Nutrition. i hope you feel better soon.

    as for me that last AC Friday wiped me out, i slept for 18 hours! i still feel really fatigued. its a terrible feeling as you all know, i hear ill be down for about 5 days..

    Designermom, i have a sore on my booty as well, not as bad as yours but i guess ill give it time..it was itchy... this is crazy,

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited August 2010

    HI Girls, I have been out of touch for a couple of days.  We went camping for the weekend.  I made out well with the last AC except for a touch of queasy and being tired.  I am happy to report I am heading to Sturgis on Thurs this week.  Onc gave me "go" card and told me the two weeks before the Taxol would help me clear my head.  Hope he knows what he is talking about cuz I have to tell you I actually had an anxiety attack this weekend just thinking about going back in there and sitting down for chemo.  Not good!!  Just thinking about 12 more weeks makes me break out in a sweat and I get sick to my stomach.

    Glad you girls are pushing through.  Sorry about SE's.  It never seems to end huh?

    Hang it there!  I promise I will too.  Hugs all around.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Yesterday the fatigue was about as bad as it has ever been--could hardly get out of bed. Kept trying to sit on the couch and act like I was part of the family!  I'd do that for a few minutes, then head back to bed and back to sleep!  But--hopefully that's the last really bad chemo day I'll have, since I'm done with the AC now.  Today I'm still tired and very weak, but actually was able to go for a short trip to the store.

    Jackie--my onc and my nurses all told me to take Ativan before I come in for chemo, because I start feeling the nausea just thinking about it!  If you have some, make sure you take it!  If not, call and ask for a scrip.  You can take it anytime you have an anxiety attack--just be careful cuz it will make you sleepy.

    I hope you have a GREAT time at Sturgis!  How exciting!  I have 3 more weeks before I start Taxol, and am looking forward to doing some FUN things!  And then I'm praying that Taxol won't knock me out so bad, so I can continue to enjoy life once again.

    Hope everyone has a great week!

    Tina

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited August 2010

    tina-  Yahooo!  You did it!  I am so sorry this one is kicking you.  Just rest, sweet lady, you're on the home stretch now.

    jackie- Is Sturgis your motorcycle rally?  Where is it?  You're driving all the way on the back of a bike?  You are amazing!  We want photos!

    Chey- Who knows what will pop out where with this chemo!  Better on my butt than on my face!  My itchy bump seems to be getting better.  I think I will e-mail my Onc, just in case it might be  important.

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited August 2010

    I am so pooped out from this last AC.  I'm glad that's over.  I got a scrip for Adivan and it seems to help the nausea a bit.  Interesting info on Taxol.  I am going to try the ice or something cold on my feet and hands.  Also, the tree tea oil.  I haven't been able to find the powder glutamine, but I have to admit that I haven't looked that well either (just at the grocery store and Trader Joe's - no luck at either place). 

    Did I tell you guys that I have an appt with an allergist on Tuesday to see if I am really allergic to Benadryl and antihystamines?  I am so excited about this.  Isn't it crazy to get excited about dr appts?  I have an ultrasound on my ovaries on Wednesday (not so excited about that).  My OBGYN wants to see if my ovarian cyst is still there because after all this fun BC stuff - chemo & rads, I get to have a hysterectomy & oopherectomy.  The fun never ends!!!

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010
    JFV - you can search the forums for "quinine" or "tomic water" - there are a lot of people talking about it. some people say a glass a day, but i don't know. it seems to be mostly for leg cramps though.
  • flopsy
    flopsy Member Posts: 365
    edited August 2010

    well, I survived AC #3 and am 5 days out.  I have been more nauseated with each tx and I hope that the last AC can be better.   I know that totally wiped out feeling is normal but it sure isn't pleasant.  My DH is so wonderful and has been so supportive and nurturing.  He is truly a most rare man.  He has tried to pick up the slack for me and I do so appreciate that.  I hope he can stay healthy through this because we are not getting any younger.  I will be doing taxotere after AC so I will start researching those boards.

    jackie,  Go,GO,GOOO, and enjoy your trip to Sturgis. Congrats and I am doing your RED DEVIL VICTORY DANCE right now.  YAHHHHHHH

    tina, I hope you get that itchy bump cleared up soon.  Very annoying and worrysome I know.

    For me, I have had a little pulse elevation this weekend which has made me feel really tired.  It has gotten a little higher with each treatment but so far does come back down before next tx.  Hope, it will not become more of an issue. I seem to be having more trouble staying hydrated this round because of my lingering queasiness and liquids do not do well on my tummy.   I am trying to do better this week.

    Hugs and prayers all around, LOL,gin2ca

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    Good to hear from everybody.  So many are done with AC or almost there YAY! 

    Bon I used the hell/well quote to my sister.  She loved it! Another tshirt idea. 

    Jackie enjoy Sturgis.  I too am anxious about Taxol and will be using xanax and atavin to help me cope.

    Latte thanks for the info.  I feel like I am trying to pack for a new trip with all of this research and purchasing things for SEs from Taxol.  I guess I am still struggling for a feeling of control.

    Kittykat and TMarina rest up!  I think your families will understand if you are not there!  You need to heal!  I don't sleep much these days yet I know I am often emotionally or physically not there for my family.  It's not a good thing but I am trying to not beat myself up over it.

    Hope everyone has a lovely Monday.

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited August 2010

    Good morning and a collective (((HUGE HUG))) to all. 

    I'm so hyped up on Prednisone that I really can't sit still long enough to address everyone individually. (Even spell-check annoys me today so my communications are going to be limited). But I've read your posts, feel so sorry for those of you struggling, and doing the happy dance for those celebrating another treatment down and fewer SEs.  This is some journey, hey?

    Have friend here who will be my chauffeur today and I can get some work done before she leaves tomorrow. Have to call oncs office later, fight my way through Brunhilda, and find out what to do about double steroids for tomorrow. I'm still on the 12 day regimen of Prednisone and am supposed to start Decadron tomorrow. YIKES, on both I'll be climbing the walls. Already I can't sleep or focus, am jittery, and eating everything that isn't nailed down. Are 8 meals a day too many? By the time I'm done with chemo I'll be the size of a house.

    Wishing you all a wonderful day of ZERO SEs!!! Stay strong, defiant and jubilant...WE CAN DO THIS!!!  Bon

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    I'm feeling so much better today, (altho I'm sure I'll still need my nap!), and am excited knowing that each day I'll get better!  We are moving my baby to KC next weekend, so I have LOTS to do!  She's been a real trooper doing a lot of stuff on her own.  Its a sad time, yet exciting.  I was up late last night looking at paint colors for the spare room I'll finally have!  (Not kicking her out completely--just moving her downstairs!).  Any "empty nest" advice is appreciated!

    Re: Taxol-->I know we've discussed this before, but, other than the neuropathy, what were some of the differences your oncs/nurses told you between weekly and every other week?  Weekly it would have been 12 weeks (3 months), and e/o week its only 4 tx (2months).  So, I'm happy my tx will be shorter, but why isn't that the first choice?  Esp. since the neuropathy is better with the 4 tx.  I guess I'm starting to worry that the other se's are going to be worse--I suppose I shouldn't borrow trouble!

    It seems like a lot of us are in between tx, and feeling better.  Those of you that are still having a rough time, hang in there!  We are still thinking and praying for you!

    Gin2ca--> You are almost done!  Only 1 more!

    Chey-->just a few more 'yuck" days, and you'll be on the other side too!

    Bon-->I'm guessing you WON'T be taking the decadron!  Hope you can get through "Brunhilda" to get your q's answered.

    Thanks JFV and D-mom for the support!

    TinaKiss

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Just wanted to add after my previous excitement at feeling better--after taking the dog out and digging a few things out of my closet for my dd, I am now sitting back down drinking some lemonade, with heart pounding!  lol!  guess its just baby steps today--this is also the time I usually get a little fever due to low wbc, so I need to be careful of germs the next few days too!  But overall--life is good!

    :0)

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2010
    Tmarina, now im confussed because im on 12 taxol cause my onc said its better for that, she said the lower doses it is easier to catch it when it starts, she said in dense dose it can hit ya hard when u dont expect it.. id rather dense doses its over sooner... im not sure what to think now???? im glad your feeling better......
  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    chey-->dose dense taxol is better for neuropathy,(at least that's waht my onc has said, and I've read that elsewhere too) but I think the other se's are worse--I'm wondering how much worse?  I already have neuropathy, so can't do the weekly, but I'm worried about other se's and how bad I'll feel.

    I know, its all so confusing!  That's why I'm wondering what other's have heard.  :)

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    I too am confused about dose dense taxol.  Was never given the once a week option.  Was told by one Onc that dose dense taxol would be easy with few side effects and I would need 5 days off but then be able to work in between doses.  Regular onc told me at my next visit I could take Taxotere or dose dense Taxol. Both have equivalent cure rates.  Taxotere would take three months, make me retain water, but I would have no problem working.  Taxol would make me feel like I was hit by a truck.  THEN girlfriend who had taxol every two weeks and onc nurse said Taxol was a breeze, maybe some soreness and "funky nails".  THEN onc on next visit said I would find Taxol much easier.  Yeesh!  I guess I'll know on Wednesday.

    I also read on another discussion board that once a week and once every two week Taxol are both considered dose dense.  Cumulatively we get the same amount.

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    hi all,

     had my first weekly taxol today (of 12). I was offered either 4x each 3 weeks (not 2 weeks) or 12 times each week. I was told that the weekly version is much easier on the body, especially compared to AC, and that the main issue is nail damage and neuropathy, plus chance of rash and allergies. So since both options for me were going to take 12 weeks in total, i chose the easier weekly option. I hope it turns out to be the case.

    Anyway, I got to the onc office today, and they checked my port but said they can't use it yet becasue the infection hasn't completely gone. I was worried because for the first 2 AC tx, I had terrible trouble finding a vein (5 attempts, 3 nurses, burst veins, hours of trying and trauma) - but this time the nurse got it in straight away no problems! i had no reaction during the IV at all, and it went quickly. I got antiallergy tablet and steroid IV beforehand, and then the taxol.

    after the tx, i was by the elevator and then felt like i was going to faint or be sick, and felt very wrong. so i went back into the tx room, and lay down there for an hour, they gave me somehting for nausea, and after an hour i was feeling better. By the time i got home i was completely fine, and slept for 2.5 hours, and got up feeling great.

    oh by the way, i went to the tx with a cooler filled with ice packs to use on my nails. the nurse then told me that they have frozen gel gloves that i can use. (would have been nice if they had told me last week when i asked about using ice packs and they poo-pooed the idea!)  anyway the gel gloves are provided by the taxol company so i gave them a go - i'll let you know if it helps.

    Latte

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Anyone with e/o week taxol getting the neulasta shot too? I have to have that.  Wouldn't get it if I had weekly T.  Don't know if its routine, or just because of my history with low wbc. 

    I've heard bone/joint pain can be really bad with T.  Let's hope we all skip that se!

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited August 2010

    I am on weekly taxol and will not be getting neulasta shots however I hear that the biweekly do get the shot.

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited August 2010

    tmarina - i got neulasta with dd AC, but won't be getting it with weekly taxol, was told it is not necessary.

    anyone anaemic from chemo? my last two blood counts show i am getting anaemic - the nurses said they don't do anything until my hemoglobin gets below 9, and even then they don't always do something. Mine is currently 10.5 (I started chemo with 13.2). anyone else have info about this?

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited August 2010

    Sorry to have opened a can of worms with the Taxol q's!  Thanks for the responses.

    Latte-->anemia is quite common with chemo.  Happened to me last year on a different chemo too. Mine is down to 9.6 now--gets lower with each chemo.  This last time my onc did a ferritin test--checks the iron levels, I think.  It was ok, so did not put me on iron pills.

    Incidentally, my platelets have been getting lower each time too.  Still ok for chemo, but below normal. (128,000).  If I get the neulasta shot back pain in a day or 2 (like usual), I will not take ibuprofen this time, due to possible bleeding from platelets (I figure they are even lower now than a week ago).  Something else to worry and be careful about!

    BUT--I am eating fresh fruit!  :P (sticks out tongue at world!)  Can't stay away from that :)

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited August 2010

    TMarina  I wil be Taxol every two weeks and was told no Neulasta shot.  Although I know low wbc is a definite side effect.  Maybe mine hasn't been too bad or  maybe they'll add it later if it drops.  Aren't all these unknowns hard?  I am having trouble staying calm. 

    Waiting to hear if I can still get Taxol despite my UTI.

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