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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    Robyn- There is a thread called "Where are the Skin Sparing Nipple Sparing Procedures Done" where women are posting where they had their NSM's done and who their surgeon was.  If it kind of a new thread so there aren't a lot of postings but someone on there might have used the same surgeons and you could PM them about it.  Otherwise, you can always start a new thread asking about those specific doctors.  I hope you find "the one", too.  I knew within the first 5 minutes when I met my BS that did my NSM that she would be doing my surgery- NSM or not.  Try to research them but follow your gut, too.

  • lymphtherapist
    lymphtherapist Member Posts: 57
    edited July 2010

     I am a lymphedema therapist newly dx (and age 53). Because of my frame of reference, I knew what I DID NOT WANT to have done. But before you decide what course of treatment, please read the site I referred to.  It is the National Comprehensive Cancer Network guidelines for DCIS treatment.  If  you cannot access it, please send me a personal message.You need to know size, grade, and whether it is multifocal and/or multicentric.  If after all the diagnostic testing it appears isolated to a small area, you can opt for wide excision without SNB and without radiation, but take adjuvant hormonal therapy with biannual mammograms and/or ultrasounds or Lumpectomy with SNB and radiation; or mastectomy.  (according to NCCN)

    http://www.nccn.org/professionals/physician_gls/PDF/breast.pdf

    My DCIS was 5mm.  I did not want radiation or SNB due to the sequelae(scarring, skin alterations, range of motion issues, pain) but I will take tamoxifen.  If cancer returns, then I have the options of  a lumpectomy and radiation or mastectomy with reconstruction.  If I have radiation now, I will not be able to have it again and further surgery will be complicated because surgery on irradiated skin is not successful, which would be a complex reconstruction.

    As you can see, it is a difficult decision to make.  BUT because it is DCIS, you can take that sacred pause and breathe.  Make decisions slowly but  make decisions that FEEL right.  Remember everyone is sharing (including me) their anecdotal stories.  Please listen to the stories, but ultimately base it on the medical evidence with support from your family and physician.

  • Hummingb1rd
    Hummingb1rd Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2010

    Hi there Robynkk,

    The new patient phone # at the City of Hope is 1(800) 826-4673.

    I loved my oncological breast surgeon! Her name is Laura Kruper. Her number 1 goal is saving your life. She is personable & feels like your talking with a girlfriend. I really like that it is not a teaching facility, only research & cancer care, (& few other disease states). The breast surgeon & plastic surgeon work together all the time so the operation is seamless. Dr. Kruper actually was visibly upset talking to my family after my surgery that she had to take the nipple on one side. A PA told me in confidence that she talked about it for 3 days. Wow- a doctor with feelings. 

    As far as the tests go...I redid all mine there. I liked having everything rechecked & the tests did not take long. They even requested the original biopsies from the pathology lab to recheck them & do their own testing. That was reassuring. The path labs are used to second opinions & should mail them for you if you decide to do that, whether City of Hope or Cedars or where ever. I think the most I waited for an appt or test was 5-10 minutes for any of my visits there. 

    Also, if you are out of town, they try to coordinate your Dr. appointments & labs on the same day. So if you have an appt. with the BS, then they will also try to have you see the PS on the same day as well as labs. They're amazing about that.

    The PS that I am seeing is Dr. Tan. He has an impressive resume, (you can access all Dr.s resumes on the City of Hope website). I liked that he was a microsurgeon, had been a fellow & had also worked in regular cosmetic surgery. I was told he's a perfectionist and I liked that too. My 3 visits with him were good & he did do a beautiful job. He is more on the quiet side & not a smiley kind of guy but he took 2 hours with me for my first appointment & didn't make me feel like I wasting his time. The last appt. with him was just ok but all Dr have off days. There is another senior PS there & it might be worth looking into him as well, although you may have to wait to get into his schedule. You can look him up on the site too. He's the head of the dept. I just want to encourage you to keep at it until you find the right doctor for you & one that you feel comfortable with. Don't settle. You are couple hours from the City of Hope so one thing to think about would be if you do have construction and tissue expanders, there will be "fills" once a week for about 5 weeks. They are really good about telling you that you can space the visits out as far as you want & are comfortable. Also they do genetic testing there & counseling.  

    Hope the info helps. Maybe do a Dr. visit at both places & then make your decision. Big hugs. Hummingb1rd

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Kate,

    Is that Reconstruction?  There are 172 topics under that thread? Is there a way to locate that thread?  I'm still trying to learn how to navigate this board, thanks!  Robyn

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Hummingbird,

    Do you know if there is any way a dr. here can do the fills if I have the rest done at the City of Hope?  Driving that long isn't an attractive option for me but I'm willing to do it if it means having the results I'm after, I was just wondering if they could do the fills here, course I guess I could ask them :)  thank you for all of your information.  Are you very happy with the outcome of the appearance of yours?  Thank you, Robyn

  • whitedove
    whitedove Member Posts: 292
    edited July 2010

    robynkk, hope this link works

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    WD,

    It worked perfect, thank you!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    robyn- My PS was over 2 hours from my house so after a few fills she took pity of us and showed my husband how to do it.  It really isn't that difficult.  They gave us all the supplies and made sure he was really comfortable doing it in her office first.  He doesn't have any medical background, either.  Would your husband be up for doing that?  The nice part about doing it at home was we could do smaller amounts but more frequently so I stopped having issues with pain after fills.

    All your husband has to do is find the port with a magnetic device they give you and mark the spot.  The port is about the size of a nickel so he just has to get the needle somewhere within that circle.  The needle attaches to a large pre-filled syringe of saline.  He pushes the plunger on the syringe and puts in as many cc's of saline as you want.  Your breast is very numb from the MX so you don't usually feel the needle at all at the beginning.  (Towards the end of my fills I felt it a little but that's a good sign that you're getting feeling back into the breast.)

    Anyway, something to think about if you don't want to make the drive.  It was hard for me to drive 4 1/2 hours round trip for a 15 minute office visit. 

  • Hummingb1rd
    Hummingb1rd Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2010
    robynkk: I do not know if they would be open to you doing the fills yourself or if they would allow another Dr office to do it. It is absolutely fabulous that Kate33's Dr allowed her to do it at home. I'd definitely check into it. Yes I am pleased so far with the reconstruction results. It is difficult because the tissue expander stage is a strange one. If you look in the picture forum you can see how different the TEs look from the implants. I will have to decide to either try and reconstruct the nipple on one side or have the nipple on the other taken off and be o.k. without the mound. Not sure, but the nipple/skin sparring side looks amazing. You could email the main Plastic Surgury email which you can find on their website and ask if they will let you do fills yourself or with someone else. They are pretty good about getting back to you. If not, just call. It might be worth getting an office appt. at a couple places so you can meet the Dr. yourself and then decide who you feel comfy with. Smile
  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    My husband would be totally comfortable doing that, I will definately hope for that option.  Haven't got my MRI results from Thursday yet, maybe Monday.  Decided to call City of Hope and Dr. Holmes at USC both for consultations..........argh, this is soooo time consuming.  Thank you all again for your help.  I thought, well if any of my daughters had this what would I do and I thought....I'd go out of town for the best care possible, so I thought, well their mother deserves the same thing so I'm going for it.  :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    Good for you Robyn!  I am so glad you are going the extra mile to find a surgeon you like and are comfortable with.  It will make sure a huge difference in your treatment experience.  For me, it was worth the 4 hours of extra driving each visit.

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Good news!  My MRI results came back today (actually they were in Friday but I finally went DOWN to the Dr.'s office at noon after calling the radiologist center knowing the dr. had them and hadn't called me)........my other breast is clear and it LOOKS like the other "mass" they found is a cyst or a few of them so they're going to biopsy them on Wed. but they're pretty sure it was just a cyst.  So, I just have the original DCIS.  That's a relief!

    Also, called Cedars Sinai today and made an appt. for Thursday at 10am, just doing that made me feel better too!

  • whitedove
    whitedove Member Posts: 292
    edited July 2010

    CElebrate good times, C'mon. Congrats

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    robyn- So happy you got some good news!!!  Now here's hoping you find a surgeon you really click with!

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited July 2010

    robyn........so happy for you....thats news worth bannering.  Love n hugs. chrissyb

  • CecilPap
    CecilPap Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2010

    Diagnosed with ductalcarcinoma and lobularcarcinoam on my right breast. The lump is pretty big 4.5 cm. Scheduled for a modified radical mastectomy. Really nervous, the doctor said had to take a few lymph nodes out to check is that standard?

  • dcchef
    dcchef Member Posts: 25
    edited July 2010
    Hi Robynkk,  Congratulations on the good news!!  I had my routine mammogram on 5/3/10, it showed microcalifications.  After a stereotactic biopsy, I was diagnosed on 5/13/10, had an MRI, then a lumpectomy followed by mammosite HDR treatment which was finished on 6/11/2010.  I remember quite clearly waiting for the MRI results and when it was clear it was a huge relief!!  Good luck with your next step.  Keep us posted on your progress.  Be well.  DCChef
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    CecilPap- A lot of breast surgeons will do what is called a sentinel node biopsy, where they just take a few nodes, during mastectomy to make sure the cancer hasn't spread.  Once you have a mastectomy done it's not possible to check the sentinel nodes and they would have to do more invasive node testing.  Make sure that you are advised of all of the risks of this type of testing just so you are aware of precautions you need to take in the future.

  • CecilPap
    CecilPap Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2010

    Hi Kate,

    I've been reading through this forum. Most ladies have posted that even if the cancer may be on some of the nodes that it can still be treated. I have two young children, so scared right now. Never had any origin of cancer in our family, so this was really unexpected.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2010

    CecilPap- If your surgeon finds the cancer has spread to the nodes then they will have you do chemotherapy.  If this happens it is still extremely treatable and there are lots of threads on here for women who have had to have chemo.  Chemo, itself, has gotten much better than the kind in the past so it doesn't mean you're going to be so sick you can't take care of your kids or all your hair is going to fall out.  But don't get ahead of yourself.  The majority of the time, especially with your kind of cancer, it is still contained within the ducts and lobes.

    I did want to mention that if your cancer is not close to the nipple you may be a candidate for a nipple sparing mastectomy.  Your surgeon may not be qualified to do this type of surgery (most aren't) but I would definitely ask about it.  My first surgeon didn't do these but I found one that did and had a nipple sparing mastectomy done in March and am very pleased with the results.  For me, being able to keep my nipples (even though I lost sensation in them) made me feel a lot less disfigured after mastectomy.  Just something to think about.  Good luck and keep us posted, o.k? 

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Had a little bit of a meltdown on Thursday.  Spent all day in LA at Cedars and John Wayne CANCER Center  (in huge 5' font) only to find out these surgeons AREN'T on my preferred provider list (I did try to verify prior but his partner was, long story).  The woman in "financial" couldn't figure out 40% of $450. even after I told her it was 180 she argued with me, tried to tell me my ins. pd 100%, yes they do now, IN network.  Started to cry, told my husband I wanted to go home, didn't want to do this.  The woman before her asked if I had a Will or Living Trust?  My husband said I should have told her it was none of her business.  Why do they have to do that?  Anyway..........we left, no more Cedars for me. 

    Have an appt. w/Dr. Holmes at USC on Monday morning then the PS right after that, they ARE on my list.  Going down tonight so we won't have to fight that traffic.  Also, no one speaks English in Los Angeles, I went into a pharmacy to get prilosec and a woman from stupidstan says OH PROZAC?  i said NO pri-lo-sec, yes we have prozac!  I'm like thinking, don't you need a prescription for prozac?  And yes I think I need it now.................argh.  Hope tomorrow is a better day!

  • dcchef
    dcchef Member Posts: 25
    edited July 2010

    Hi Robynkk,  Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.  Hang in there!!  Let us know how everything goes.

    DCChef 

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    DCChef,

    Thank you!  On our way to LA now, going to do a little shopping today, that always puts me in a good mood! :)

  • whitedove
    whitedove Member Posts: 292
    edited July 2010

    Dearest Robyn,

    Days like that feel like salt on a wound. Great big hugs and know you are courageous to have decided to be pro-active in finding the right care.

  • redninrah
    redninrah Member Posts: 773
    edited July 2010

    Hi Robyn

    Im 35 and have Invasive Ductal carcinoma. Further testing revealed that no one else in the body has it. Had MRI also and there was an area beside it with DCIS. I chose to have breast removed, as surgoen did leave it upto me. He pointed out that im young, so it might be better not to take any chances of it coming back. But he said its upto me. The lump wouldhave been big anyways.

    Im on day 7 of my masectomy. Can not feel anything on that breast, as in its numb. My arm pit feels a tight and stretchy feeling. Im waiting for pathology results on tumour and 5 sentinel nodes. I had no drain on my masectomy.

    I cant go on reconstruction until any further chemo. Im wondering is chemo 100% necessary?

    Im thinking id rather take it, im dead nervous of it being anywhere else. I mean they did MRI on breasts, bone scan, chest xrays, abdominal ultrasounds. Why would they not to a CT scan or MRI on the brain area? Im just worried that they have missed out on something.

    The whole thing really upsets me at times, im so healthy, a gym aholic, no cancer in family. So why did it happen to me!!!! I have two young kids and there is no way Im going to even begin to think that im not going to be around to see them grow up. On this site I see a number of ladies get it again, so does this mean theres more chance of me getting this again??????

    Freaking out!!

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    DCCHef and WD, you always make me feel better!  Redninrah, they told me that if I had a mastectomy I would not have to have chemo.  Did you get a second opinion?  I researched on the internet and the surgeon I'm seeing tomorrow has been on the Today Show, is known around the world for his updated skin sparing surgery.  What city are you in?  Yes you are young, my heart goes out to you and prayers too!!  Not knowing what's going to happen next, I think, is the worst part.  Do you have a TE in?  Are you having reconstruction?  My last Dr. I spoke to told me they would be able to do reconstruction at the same time as the mastectomy?  I'm hoping the Dr. I see tomorrow concurs. 

    Best wishes to you, my heart and prayers go out to you!!

    Robyn in CA 

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited July 2010

    Redinrah, since you had invasive ductal carcinoma (IDC), which is a more advanced form of breast cancer than the DCIS which was found along with it, your treatment plan will be based on the IDC.  Whether or not chemo is necessary is based on several factors, your oncotype score being the most important (I think). 

    You'd be better off posting on the Stage 1 or IDC boards instead of the DCIS board - women with "pure" DCIS never get chemo, so we're not really able to answer your questions properly.

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Back from USC, finally!  Well, Dr. Holmes said my DCIS is NOT .8 cent. but FIVE by THREE centimeters making a lumpectomy out of the question!  He just had a conversation with me telling me about a new radiation machine he's using for lumpectomy patients that can be used more than once, unlike traditional radition...........anyway.  My double mastectomy is scheduled for Sept. 23rd, he's really confident they'll be able to save my nipple and will put the implants in at the same time.  Saw pics today though, that was kind of scary but I just want all of this over.  At USC they did another set of mammograms, ultrasounds, I'm so sick of being poked and prodded. 

    I asked for that date, need some time off befor surgery plus I need to get my students settled before I leave them for 4-6 weeks.  How long was everyone here off work?  That seems awfully long to recover for me? 

    Robyn

  • NSWTD
    NSWTD Member Posts: 210
    edited July 2010

    Sorry you had to join our groups, but welcome. You will find much support here and info too. I was diagnosed with DCIS in Dec 2009 - in several spots in one breast and I am barely a B cup.  The two BC surgeons both recommended mastectomy.   I did opt for immediate reconstruction using a free flap (SIEA, similar to DIEP). The surgery was long, 8 to 10 hrs, but I woke up with a reconstructed breast that looked pretty darn good, even in what  I will call the "rough in" stage.  Two more procedures to go to get it to look great, tattooing for the nipple (mine could not be saved), and then a refinement surgery to make the breast look really great. 

     Please, please, do get second opinons from both a breast cancer surgeon and a plastic surgeon.  If you do an immediate reconst, they will need to work together. There are many teams across the USA that do this. It is worth traveling for what you want and to have docs you are comfortable with. 

    I live in Michigan and my local surgeon was telling me my options and I had already done a ton of research on my own before even my first follow-up appt with him.  He recommended mast with reconstr, but only doing implants. When I mentioned the DIEP procedure (and other flaps) he said  "those are long surgeries and require microsurgery".  I asked him if anyone did them in Michigan and HE DID NOT KNOW.  

    Well, I did more reseach and found 3 teams in MI that did do them, one had done about 50, one about 150 and one about 10.  I met with one team in MI (the 150) and liked them, but they even seemed green to me.   I quickly got my referrals into MD Anderson in Texas and the Univ of Chicago. Chicago is only 3.5 hrs drive for me and they could see me about one month before Texas.   

     I love the team of docs I have in Chicago...the PS has done hundreds of these tissue flaps and speaks at other universities about the procedures.    

     You will have to do what is right for you, but I didn't want foreign objects in my body and the thought of implants and the potential probs with them was a big no for me.   I did like the DIEP procedure  because it is invasive as far as moving muscle around on your bod.  

     Maybe you can have only a lumpectomy and that will work for you. It was not an option for me.  

     Do your research, you have time. Ask a ton of questions and write them down. I went to all appts with my hubby and a notebook. I did all the talking and note taking, but he was my backup. It is an emotional time and you may miss something.  It is good to have a second head in the room.  

    I recommend you at least consider a university medical center. They seem to be up on the latest procedures.   And, they usually have a ton of resources at their fingertips.  

     Best of luck to you and please write back with any questions - many are here to help.  

     

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited July 2010

    Thank you for your reply!  I live about 2-2 1/2 hours away from USC, University of Southern California.  I think they have one of the top teams in the nation in terms of breast cancer/reconstruction.  Dr. Holmes is considered a leader in the most up to date procedures.  USC was my second opinion.  Where I live they wouldn't even consider saving my nipple and at USC the actual MD did my ultra sound, put it places they didn't in my hometown.  I totally agree to get a 2nd opinion.  If anyone I know mentions the "C" word, I will have them travel! :) 

    You were diagnosed in Dec.? When was your surgery and how long did you take to recover?  I just think 4-6 weeks seems awfully long?  Thank you!

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