Chemo June 2010

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  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited July 2010

    Designermom, I am done with ac and start taxol on Wednesday.  I am not getting my port until August 9 as they had to coordinate with my surgeon and also I am in the clinical trial and might be getting the avistan which causes blood thinning which means they have to do the port surgery a certain number of days after I receive the avistan, which makes the scheduling even harder I guess, so I am stuck waiting and living with killer veins!!  Thanks for asking, I wish I could get it done now too haha!!!   I hope you have a nice dinner with your friends and feel well!!

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited July 2010

    I'm so glad I got a port.  My sister's veins collapsed after 2 rounds of chemo.  So, I asked for a port before chemo.  We have weak veins in our family.  It's hard for me to draw blood! 

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited July 2010

    Hi All,

    Well it is the week of TX #4 of AC.  Can't wait to be done?  Those of you who had your final AC was it as bad as #3?  Just wondering what to expect this time.  #3 was a killer for me with the SE's.  I am just so glad to be on the home stretch with the AC.  Then I can gear up for Taxol.

    JEN - what did you decide on the trial?  I have to make the same decision this week.  I am not happy about all the articles and news on the AVISTAN. 

    I was so looking forward to the last weekend because I had come out of my #3 fog and was feeling better.  Unfortunately, horse fly bit my right arm and put me into Lympodema.  Now I look like something out of the movie Elephant Man.  I am taking antibiotics and going out to get a compression sleeve but my arm is still two times the size of the other. I am praying it is not going to jam me up on my treatment tomorrow. Here's hoping!  I am heading down for my Monday labs so I suppose we will see.

    Keep strong my ladies!  We can do this!

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited July 2010

    grneyd5600  So sorry to hear about the bite!  I hate those horse flies with a passion!  My 4th AC has been OK.  Just tired.  Nothing unusual!  Hang in there!

  • Sherry9316
    Sherry9316 Member Posts: 294
    edited July 2010

    Since we seem to be confessing our various hair losses recently, I guess I'll chime in.  Still have eyebrows, eyelashes and some head hair (even though it's stubbly).  I don't know why it hasn't all come out on my head.  I have a bit at my crown and around the edges.  My husband has taken the clippers and even his electric razor trying to get the stubborn hair off.  It would feel better if it were smooth but I'm afraid to shave it and so is my husband.  It's hard to get comfortable on my pillow at night with the prickly stubble.

    About ports:  my surgeon put mine in during my second breast surgery and boy am I glad I have it.  I have experienced no problems with it thank goodness. Prior to accessing, I get a numbing shot (just a small prick) and I have had no pain when they access it and take it out. I'm so sorry some of you have had problems.  I wonder if it has to do with the type of port or the surgeon or both?  Mine is a power port so they also do my blood draw through it.  No more punctures on my good arm - yay!

    Nausea:  Lord, thank you!  I had a much better weekend due to the new med regimen.  What he is having me do is take a Zofran and Decadron twice a day starting the day after tx and continuing through Sunday.  I still had to take Compazine around 8:00 each of the evenings, but just went to bed and slept good til the next morning!  Sorry if I've told you all this already.

    DesignerMom - enjoy your company.  Kick up your heels and have a fabulous time.  Friends are a treasure.  Through this I have found out just how many wonderful friends I have.

    Okay - this is supposed to be the start of one of my two good days a week - bring it on!

  • jenweg
    jenweg Member Posts: 195
    edited July 2010

    Jackie, my third ac treatment was horrible also with se's, I am happy to say that number 4 wasn't bad, I would say not even as bad as normal usually was, so I hope yours is the same!  On the trial, I am thinking I am gonna pull out of it, just because of the the bad side effects the drug can cause.  I am not even sure that I am getting the drug of course, but still why add more risks to my health if I don't have to and with this drug not showing any promise whatsoever with breast cancer, not worth it to me. 

  • flopsy
    flopsy Member Posts: 365
    edited July 2010

    cheyenna and jfv,  Iam doing a victory dance for you now because you have finished that nasty AC.  I can't wait for the rest of us to be able to post that here.

    jackie, I pray your arm will mend quickly and this will not slow your down.  Be careful and make sure they check things out throughly because these tx's have made strangers out of our normal bodies.  We just don't know what to expect.  IT IS LIKE LIVING WITH AN ALIEN INSIDE OF YOU!

    Must share this, Fri. I went to my hairdresser and she did a really short buzz for me.  Since then I have lost a tremendous amount of hair but not all.  I have always had thick head of hair .   After lintrolling all weekend to  catch strays I now scared myself in the mirror this morning because I really look like the monster on HELLRAISER.  I told my husband and we had a good laugh.  He thinks I look like Jodie Foster a little but he is prejudiced.  I have not lost eyebrows or lashes yet but am having a lot of problems with eyes being either dry or gookey.  I am having problems with a sinus infection also so that may be eye thing goiing on.

    jenweg,  I am praying they can move up your port placement.   Keep calling everyday and begging for their help.  Ask for a power port so you can do blood draws their also.  That should help your arm heal and give it a break.   Good luck and God bless you!!

    Well, have to go now to get ready to go for blood work to see if can have chemo Wed.  Boy, am I looking forward to that just like my dog loves thunderstorms.  SHe

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    grneyed-  What fresh hell is this!  Horseflies!  It sounds like full lymphedema is kicking in if your arm is that swollen.  You might want to research some of the lymphedema threads.  I think it is very important to treat lymphedema right away, or it can be permanent.  Doctors sort of poo poo lymphedema massage specialists.  I think there are certified lymphedema therapists that get can help a lot with special massage, wrapping etc...  The sooner you see them the better.  Can you ask for a referral?

    I stayed up way to late with my out of town friends, but it was SO worth it. Nothing like friends! Nausea is better, but the blasted constipation is still awful.  Dang, I'm sounding like my granny talking about "regularity"!

    sherry- By George, I think you've got it!  You figured out how to beat most of those vicious SE.  I am so happy for you.

  • mimi9186
    mimi9186 Member Posts: 127
    edited July 2010

    Northern Girl,  I too am FEC.  After two (of three) treatments I am winded all the time.  I noticed my heart rate is way too high most of the time.  I called the onc today and will see him this afternoon and I hope he does some tests for heart damage before the third FEC Friday.

    I too got tired of the stubble so I shaved is off with my electric shaver.  I had one dark hair that was still growing and was 1/2 inch long!  Hope it gets ALL the cancer cells and doesn't miss one like the hair.

    Hugs, Mimi

  • mon123
    mon123 Member Posts: 32
    edited July 2010

    June 2: TCH 6x

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2010

    So now I'm angry. My onc nurse tells me that the herceptin (that I'll be on for a year) will prevent my hair from fully growing in, and that I won't have much hair until after the year is over! Why didn't they mention that in the beginning... Anyone else get that information??

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited July 2010

    RS711....that can't be right!  I sit at the treatment center with a patient who is almost done with her year of Herceptin. She has lovely curls that she is keeping clipped short by choice. Her hair is thicker than it was before. She said it started growing back even before she was finished completely with the chemo. And she is a PhD nurse so she's pretty aware of the SE's and symptoms throughout the entire chemo ordeal. 

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited July 2010

    hi girls, well the past few days have been good but today im tired, is that normal? im having blood wed to make sure i can do my my last AC on friday, it shuold be ok i guess, ive not been sick just running those low temps but we all now ive done that since day one, onc says it fine. i was just surprised that i was so tired today compared to yesterday and day before??? i so want this over, im tired of worring all the time!!!

    love to all CheySmile

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2010

    Thanks Bon. :-)

  • danielle321
    danielle321 Member Posts: 56
    edited July 2010

    Hello Everyone,

    Had my last AC on Friday but my blood pressure was low 90 over 60 so they gave me extra saline for dehydration, had bathroom issues 2 days prior.

    Since I got the shot on Saturday I have been feeling pretty out of it compared to previous treatments.  I can't shake the dizzy/light headed feeling.  I stayed home from work today and will attempt to go tomorrow.  I hope to shake the cobbwebs from my head by then.

    I've been having quite a few pitty parties since Friday.  It is so hard to go through this alone, no kids or husband.  The guy I was seeing has turned out to be worse than my ex husband so I'm trying to get rid of him.  I have my two dogs to keep me company at least and my mom will be coming here for the next treatment and may stay for the remainder of them.  I am so ready to have these treatments over with, as we all are I'm sure.  The discomfort of the tissue expanders adds to my anxiety. 

    I pray that 2011 and all the years after are full of good health and happiness for all of us.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

     gin2ca--> do a little victory dance for me--I had my last AC today!!!!!!!!

    Chey--> maybe your hemoglobin is low--that can make you tired also.. Mine is down to 9,6 and my onc said that could be contributing my tiredness that doesn't go away.  I've been telling everyone (docs, nurses, friends, etc) that the difference between this and my last chemo is that when I came out of the "fog" before, I felt really good--it was like I was on a high.  I was thrilled and excited about everything and had more energy.  With the AC I don't have any "good" days.  I have "ok" days where I can do what's necessary--shopping, church, etc--but barely!  I'm not out of the house long before I need to go back home and rest!

    grneyd5600-->wow!  bummer about your arm!  yes, please make sure you are doing everything your surgeon tells you--mine has a physical therapist that I would see if I had any swelling.  They can  do certain massages that help, and also fit for the sleeve.  I was told that working large muscles, like the thighs and butt help move fluid through the nodes all throughout the body--but you don't want to do that if the fluid is infected!

    Sherry--> much relieved to hear that you are feeling better--see? if you take those meds you really don't have to suffer as much.  Its a good testimony to others who might want to try to "tough it out"  (not that that's what you were doing!)

    Jenweg-->yes!  ask for a power port.  You will get a card or something to carry with you to let other's know that's what you have.  Then if you need a CT scan or other test they can use the port instead of you veins--it works great for that!

    RS711--> my nurse just told me today that my hair should start growing back as soon as I'm done with Taxol, but while still getting Herceptin.  I think I've read on some other threads here that sometimes it grows in slower while on Herceptin, but that doesn't happen to everyone.

    I found out today that since my neuropathy hasn't gotten better, I will be getting DD Taxol--that's every 2 weeks.  It will take 3 hours--actually a little longer the first time cause they give it slower.  I will get benedryl first--sounds like a big dose.  Plus, the Herceptin the first time takes longer too, so she switched my appt. to 8:30, because it will take most of the day.  She said instead of zofran, emend and decadron, I might get a compazine pill, and bag of decadron, then compazine at home.  There isn't as much nausea with the the Taxol.  She (my nurse Andrea) said that is the standard, but since I have had more nausea--even on my chemo last year, my onc might give me something more.  Then she said that there might be a little more nausea with the dd taxol too.  So, bottom line, we'll wait and see what the onc orders--I'm sure I can ask for zofran, or whatever I decide I would like to keep taking.

    I will also start weekly Herceptin at the same time as the Taxol. oh--I get a 4 week break!  I was going to wait 3 weeks to move dd to college, but the onc is gone that week so he said 4 weeks would be ok!  PARTY! Smile  I told him I trust him to know what's best!  So I'll be starting taxol and herceptin on Aug. 23rd. 

    The week before I'll have another MUGA scan, an ekg, and finally meet with the radiation doc to see if I have to have that or not.  I had radiation last year for my colon cancer and had an AWEFUL time (and its the gift that keeps on giving!). I told the doc that I NEVER wanted to see him again (altho he is a great doc, and his nurse helped me through MANY problems)!!

    ok--I'm going on the steroid buzz now, so should probably stop yapping!  I talked to my oldest for an hour on the phone, then went out ot the garage and talked my hubby's ear off--all of a sudden he decided he REALLY NEEDED to finish mowing the lawn--I think it was so he could put his ear plugs ion and give them a rest! Lol!!

    Take Care ladies!  You will ALL be in my prayers tonight when I'm NOT sleeping!!

    Tina

    ps: feel free to pm me with prayer requests--I believe in the power of prayer (in the name of Jseus!), and the more people you can have praying for a specific situation the better!  Just wanted to throw that out there...  :)

  • Isla
    Isla Member Posts: 82
    edited July 2010

    Designer Mum

    I have a suggestion for a new weapon in your epic constipation battle!

    I too have been having constipation problems on Chemo. I must confess to a tendency in that direction anyway but I normally mange it with diet etc.  However on chemo I got quite bunged up (to the extent of getting painful haemarroids)

    Dr recomended a product called Benefiber and it has been great.  It is a bulking natural soluble fiber.  You take 2 teaspoons daily dissolved in any fluid - it really is tasteless, colourless and dissolves in anything so even if you are 'faddy' with what you fancy drinking you can take it - hot tea, soup, fizzy ginger ale, juice, wine - I've had it in all (except the wine!!)

    At the risk of TMI, after 2 days of taking it my stools passed easily and were bulked and soft and I've continued with a 'daily' regularly since starting the Benefiber. 

    I have checked and the product is available in the US so I hope you find it and try it - I think it may be the answer for you! 

    http://www.benefiber.com

    Isla 

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    Danielle321--> was this your last AC as in no more or?  If you keep feeling light headed call your onc!  They know its probably your blood pressure and maybe you need to go in for IV fluids again.  My nurse told me her friend a had to go in 3 times one week, and felt much better each time.  I was told if I had more light-headedness to go in for the same too.  I had trouble with that after my 2nd round, but not after my 3rd.  But I really tried to push the fluids on round 3.  Each round the tiredness does get worse.  I know I could not work through this!  Thankfully there is only 4 rounds!  I decided no pity parties for me this round!  I'm going back to counting my blessings--but don't ask me about that in a few days, I may feel differently!!  We all have our moments, and you just have to realize you have every reason to feel sad, mad, angry, whatever!  Just come on here and vent to us :)  I'm glad I made the decision not to do reconstruction yet, but I bet you'll be glad when you finally have the exchange and its all done with!  If I do recon, it won't be until next summer.

    Take care--and let us know how you are doing!

    Tina

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    D-mom--> I have used citrucel, which is similar to benefiber, and it does help.  Take it EVERYday, and start a few days before chemo.  I don't take it as often as I should, but since my colon surgery I really should take it every single day.

    Just wanted to put in my 2 cents, as I often do! Laughing

    Tina

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2010

    Danielle321- sometimes the anti-nausea drugs can make you dizzy/lightheaded... do you take compazine or zofran...?

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited July 2010

    whats herceptin?

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    Isla-  Thanks for the Benefiber tip.  I seem to have tried everything else:  Miralax, Senokot, Colace, even good old MOM.  I will look for it and give it a go.  It's just astonishing how out of sorts not "going" can make you feel.  I guess I should be grateful if "con-stupid-ation" is the worst of my SE!

    tmarina- I am celebrating with you girl!  I pray we can all never see these days again.  I so long to get back to some sense of normal life.  I'm sick of thinking about beng sick.

    Okay, I'm starting to think about hormone therapy and am already anxious.  The plan for me is Tamoxifen for 5 years as I am perimenopausal.  HOWEVER, there seems to be so much controversy about it.  I heard Dr. Northrup say that you have a 40% higher chance of getting BC in the other breast if you take it. A lot of the Tamox ladies seem to say they are never feeling good, don't sleep etc...  I sure don't want to face 5 miserable years.   Also there seem to be SE of bloodclots, strokes, other things.  For any of you heading for Tamoxifen, what are your thoughts??  I have played on Cancer Math, and I do get some benefit, but, truthfully, not that much as I am somewhat low recurrence risk already.

  • Isla
    Isla Member Posts: 82
    edited July 2010

    Hi DMum
    I am at exactly the same stage as you - I have, over the past week, posted a number of questions, specifically about tamoxifen and also the CYP2D6 test.  I think you can look up member's posts so I'd be really pleased if you could look at mine and reply with your opinions.  I don't want to highjack this chemo thread and transform it into a hormone thread !
    I am, as you will read, in the same dilemma.   I have just been reading the UK forums where the test isn't used.  I've been scared mindless from reading the threads and threads of tamoxifen side effects and as far as I can tell every 2nd poster takes antidepressants to cope with these SE.
    thanks
    Isla 
  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    Chey-->Herceptin is not chemo, its a targeted therapy for women that are Her2 positive.  Her 2 causes the cancer to grow faster; Herceptin blocks that signal.  It is supposed to work very well.  I will be on it for a year.

    D-mom-->I hope you figure out the whole Tamox thing!  I've read on some other threads that there are others out there asking the same q.'s.  I never realized it was so complicated!  I guess it all depends on the numbers--how likely is it to prevent a recurrence.  Good luck!!!  Prayers going up for the right decision :)

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited July 2010

    thank you Tina

    DM, ive been asking the same thing, i need to take it for 5 years..idk what to do????

  • grneyd5600
    grneyd5600 Member Posts: 420
    edited July 2010

    Ok my peeps - tomorrow is going to be TX #4 AC.  Here is hoping my labs are all good that I had done today and the journey can go as scheduled.  I must admit I want to have the AC behind me and then I can deal with the next leg.  I am happy to report the swelling in the arm is getting better.  I am going to get a referral to a PT tomorrow and get fitted for a sleeve.  I will need one at some point anyway because I usually have to fly on airplanes every week for work. I am not taking chances.  I am still pondering how that horse fly could think I was a fly - I mean I have no hair!!!!  Wink

     Danielle - hang in there sweetie.  We are hear to listen so vent all you need.  It is easy to get into the pity party so let us help you push through.  I actually got a little sideways myself this morning but I pulled my rear end in and got all four wheels going in the forward direction again.  So hang in there!!  As for the expander discomfort.  I get that too.  I am using Tylenol (with Onc permission) and doing the range of motion excercises often.  It does help. 

  • meliss
    meliss Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2010

    Dmom: we are on the exact same path. I had my third round of CMF last Friday. You and I were sitting in the chair at the same time. I spent a good bit of the weekend asleep, but did go to work today. I have a desk job, so I thought it would be fine. What I forgot to factor in was that I had to stand up and give a presentation to parents of incoming freshmen at the college I work for. About 20 minutes into it, I thought, "I'm not going to make it, and it would be really awkward to pass out in front of 180 parents!" So, I excused myself for a moment, called my assistant to come over and back me up, and then leaned on the podium for the rest of the presentation. Whew. Won't do THAT again!

    On the tamoxifen, I don't know yet what I will do. My onc said the standard 5 years if I don't go into chemopause. If I do, then she said the other one whose name I can't remember but starts with an A I think.  I am leaning more toward having ovaries removed. My right one has caused pain for the past several years, and I'm wondering if a hormone imbalance contributed to my bc. When I was diagnosed with bc, I had orginally gone in for my annual checkup and to discuss possible oopharectomy anyway. 

    Much to research and consider.....

  • NorthernGirl
    NorthernGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2010

    Grneyd5600 ... good luck for tomorrow.. hope things go well.

    Mimi9186... I'm 2 weeks ahead of you. After 3rd FEC, I am breathless much of the time. Went to see my surgeon today as a follow up for my port surgery. He seemed concerned about the SOB problem (Shortness of Breath !) and he sent me for chest xrays and other tests.  I am hoping it's anemia, not heart problems.  

    RS711  Oh dear... hair may not return till the end?  Sheesh. I have some stubble left on my head, my eyelashes and eyebrows are really thin.  I am getting more used to it, but it would be nice if it grew back soon.

    I had such a good appointment with my doc today. Gotta love someone who is professional and compassionate, and responsive, and not in a hurry. He prescribed something called Nexium for the heartburn 'cause Zantac150 just doesn't cut it. He's going to set me up with consults with plastic surgeon. Looks like total mastectomy is in the cards for me... the DCIS doesn't show up in the MRI or ultrasound, so it's hard to tell how much tissue to remove, and I've already had 2 excisions.  

    Who was it that said this is like living with an alien inside us? 

     Oh, yes. How true!

  • janny99
    janny99 Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2010

    Hello Ladies ~ I had my second to the last weekly Taxol/Herceptin this morning.  Also saw my Oncologist, had labs, and felt pretty good today.  EXCEPT that when I went out to grab a bite to eat with my friend shorty after I left the Cancer Center, I promptly used the Men's Bathroom at the restaurant!!!  I went into the little stall (did not notice the urinals), when I walked out of the stall and thought "what the heck is a man doing washing his hands in the ladies room", then I turned and saw a gentleman using the urinal, it HIT me like a ton a bricks....OMG I was so embarrassed, I kind of quickly got out of there and ran into the correct bathroom for my gender to wash my hands.  I hid in there for a few minutes, hoping the men wouldn't see me when I quickly went to my table laughing so hard and feeling very foolish....I was pretty noticeable as a woman wearing a pretty obvious hat to cover my 'follicularly challenged' head. 
    Chemo brain????  I think so!!!!

    Good news is, next Monday is my last Taxol/Herceptin...I get one week off after that and then I start FAC, every 3 weeks X3.  I should have my last infusion Sept 27th...giving me plenty of time to feel better in time for my newest grandchild to arrive!

    Those with upcoming Taxol....I hope you will make it through with minimal SE (hopefully).  I think it will be much easier (from what I've been told, and what I've read on here) than the AC tx.  My pre-chemo meds include Anzemet, Pepcid, Decadron, benadryl & Ativan.  I feel pretty good for days 1 and 2.  Days 3, 4, 5, seems to be the hardest.  My SE's are pretty well controlled with Zofran, Lomotil and just plain Tylenol for a mild headache.  Biggest problem is the fatigue, I am soooo stinkin' tired!  My body just doesn't do what my brain thinks it should be able to do, and I find this extremely frustrating.  I have gained weight (probably from the steroids, but mostly from reducing my activity since my surgery at the end of April). Work is tough sometimes, and I missed last Friday, just couldn't do it.

  • janny99
    janny99 Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2010

    TMarina ~ I can't remember if I mentioned to you or not that my Oncologist is following a European course of treatment with Herceptin for me that came out of Helsinki Finland.  I have had weekly doses for 9 weeks (I believe the study is called the FinHer study), along with the Taxol.  Then FAC (5-FU, Adriamycin, Carboplatin) every 3 weeks X3.  The survival numbers are very close to the United States.  The theory is that it may be less toxic to the heart, so as to prevent arrhythmia's, CHF, Left Ventricular heart failure etc...thought it was very interesting. 

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