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  • Kitwe
    Kitwe Member Posts: 64
    edited July 2010

    Thanx Sweeiie  for all the great advice.  I am going to check out those sites now.

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    digger-thanks for sharing your story. I  too am thin with thin skin too so I will keep that in mind. I'll talk my PS before hand more about rippling. I am sure it can happen with any type of implant but I heard gummies were supposed be better. You said you liked the shape of your gummies, why you say they feel like bowling balls? Do they feel heavy or firm?

    m-star that's exactly my issues. going to ask the oncologist today.

    bcincolorado- I like that "the new normal" I remembe saying that when I had my kids. There is always something to adjust too in life, (some pleasant, some not so much!) sometimes I call it the new, new.

    cs777- and Goldieknox- good tips, I am trying both of those. It's itching now!!

    Kitwe-let us know what you decide, if you have any questions the ladies here are wonderful! some have them now and some of us are getting them so we are all in this together.

  • geneskirt
    geneskirt Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2010

    Wow! I too remember that itching!  I had forgotten about that- it DOES go away!:) 

    One thing i think i should mention about the gummies is their tendancy to take on the ambient temperature of the room/or enviroment.  On the skating pond - they get very cold, in air conditioning - they feel unusually cold compared to my other body parts, and in the hot tub- they heat up and get REALLY soft and pliable (a good time to massage).  I find they hold the 'outside' temp for about an hour.  Guess thats the cohesive gel?  Makes sense - same as a hot/cold pack.

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    Geneskirt-OMG hot/cold pack too funny! Something to keep in mind when it happens. I asked my Dr. about the itching and he said it was normal. He said the little bumps I feel are the stitches. I asked him again about the gummies and he said this, gummies look better without your clothes on and rounds look better in clothes. I think that has something to do with the "pushed up" look some women want. So there's no right or wrong, it's just want you like on your own body. Right now I am 300 cc's in the TE and they feel huge and round at the top so I'm thinking the gummies may look better on me. I just have to ask you again, are they are firm? do you mind the firmness and do they feel heavy at all?  Do you love them?!

    Diagnosis: 2/25/2010, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, ER+/PR-, HER2-

  • geneskirt
    geneskirt Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2010

    My breasts(gummies) are firm - but now, 7 months post exchange, I'm starting to realize the 'firmness' I feel is tight pec muscles and now tightened Scalenus muscles that run up in my collar bone area towards my neck.  The gummies themselves are soft.  The process of having breasts covered with muscle fibre is.... fiborous. 

    The gummies themselves are soft and lovely.  B/C Reconstructed  breasts are not jiggly, bouncy, fluid/wavy breasts.   But, neither are largely augmented ones. Nor are  some 'natural' ones, like  some small ones, nor some dense ones.  

    Gummies are very realistic.  How your body responds to your surgery/PS's technique/and scar scaffolding will determine YOUR results.  Thats why we are all different in our description of weither we find them "tolerable" or not.

    My gummies look like 'push up bra' breasts when in wearing my loose pajama tank tops - lol - a little overly sexy (especially with projected reconstructed nipples), on a hot morning eating cheerios, ya kno??? But,hey! Its better than the small saggy ones I used to have (from breast feeding four kids), lol. Neither set were perfect in EVERY way - so, I'M VERY HAPPY WITH MY GUMMIES!

    Cool

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited July 2010

    Nicely said Gene :)

  • geneskirt
    geneskirt Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2010

    Hi Lilah- 

    I'm glad you said that.... altho i just did a big EDIT on the last two paragraphs.... sometimes I get a bit lengthy, so i shortened it some.

    You love your gummies????

  • geneskirt
    geneskirt Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2010

    Here's the question....?????

    If I worked out my glute muscles til they were a big, round, firm,maxed out non-jiggly play thing of a butt....would my man say "too fim!" ????

    Not likely!

    Would my friends and co workes say..... "your butt doesn't move and feel like our butts" ?????

    NO!!!! Cause my friends and co-workers wouldn't be touching my butt anyway ! lol

    And my doc??? He would say.... "its healthy-thats all that matters"

    And that big, firm, butt would look great in jeans..... so, i would feel confident, and thats all that matters! Kiss

    lol

    xo

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    geneskirt-Love it! you are hysterical! Honestly thank you so much for your lengthy in detail post, it is huge help to those of us under gummy contemplation! Don't you realize when we are seeking answers to questions we literally hang on every word someone posts that can help us, so please be lengthy in your detail! I am putting all those words in my memory bank because although someone else's experience or opinion cannot make your decision for you, it always helps with perspective and brings you closer to making your own! so thanks girl!

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited July 2010

    I do love my gummy Gene!  (I only have one).  It is a pretty good match to my remaining breast and it feels -- from the POV of firmness -- about the same as my natural breast.  Yes my natural breast has a little more give and movement, but not a LOT more.  I think if I had gone for regular silicone the implant would have been squishier than my real breast -- so it's not like I can get something that is a perfect match.  And I agree that the only thing that feels odd is the numb skin... which is the same no matter what kind of implant you get.  I do not feel mine is heavy either.  I have a 685 cc gummy which is on the large side... but for example I don't feel lopsided even though I only have one :)  All in all it feels like it's my breast, as much as possible, given that so much of it is numb.

    Sweetie -- you seem to be so worried about the gummy.  Maybe you should consider something else?  I WILL say again to you: the mentor cohesive gels ARE softer than the Allergan 410 (the true gummy)... and these might be your perfect solution.

  • geneskirt
    geneskirt Member Posts: 218
    edited July 2010

    Lilah Doll;  Thats a GREAT comparison.  I forgot you are sporting one 'gummy' and one reduced! Perfect!!!! Talk about comparing 'apples to apples', or 'oranges', or gummy(ies), lol

    Sweetie ; I did forget what its like to be searching and in process.  You are SO right !!!!!  Every word counts and we extract what feels right, and make it our own.  Is it hard to believe that this time next year this will all be behind you and replaced with confidence, happiness, and wholeness? 

    It is an astounding journey..... a difficult one...... and one that forces us to search, grow and change. Soon.... you will LOVE the changes you have perservered through!  Your hard work will become your joy very soon! :)

    xo

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    Lilah, I saw your pics on the forum and can honestly say your final result looks very,very good. I am so glad you are happy. Thank you for sharing your experience. My breasts where dense and firm before and they never had much giggle so that doesn't really bother me. I'm more concerned about getting the size and look that matches my frame. I do have some reservations about the gummiest. It could be because the TE's look so weird. They are soooo far apart with like an inch space between my breasts, yet they extend under my arms. I asked my Dr. and he said he could only  move it in a little by using a wider implant. I don't understand this because I thought almost anything could be revised. I also am concerned because when I was small breasted before surgery I used to "push up" my little B- cups and get a nice look that was more out front than on the sides. Now the look is so much fuller and out to the sides which I can't say I really like. I am only filled to 300cc's and they already look huge! I don't think my Dr. uses Mentors because he used Allergan TE's in me and I know when they are doing a trail they have access to only one company. I do like him a lot so and it hard to even find a Dr. who does them at all.

    Geneskirt-first of all thank you so much for your encouraging words!! I appreciate it so much. I feel like this whole thing has been such a process of decisions from day one. It seems like my breasts are the first thing on my mind in the morning and the last thing I think of before I go to bed! geez!!! I look forward to the day when I'm NOT thinking about all of this in some way.

    BTW I saw your pics on in forum and I must say you look AMAZING! Your PS did a great job and I think they look full and natural and match your frame very well. Like I mentioned to Lilah I am concerned mine feel to far apart. Did you have issues with that with your TE or did you swap right out to you implants? Can I ask you how did you ultimately choose your size. Right now I feel huge. I'd put my pics on the forum by I read it is being shut down soon. You have mentor's right?

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited July 2010

    Aw Sweetie -- thanks for your kind words.  I am pretty happy with my results so far! 

    I have to say two things: (1) I don't know if there is something your PS knows about your body that I don't know, but it seems to me a lot of women on this site have had wide apart TEs that their doctors were able to move closer together... so that doesn't make a lot of sense to me (2) so far I'm not able to wear bras that push me (up or in any direction) on my gummy side... though I did ask my PS about that and she seemed to think I could eventually; to be honest my gummy doesn't really move much and I don't see how it would ever push up!  If what you WANT is a breast that moves... you might be happier with a regular silicone implant.  I honestly don't know what is better... I guess I'm just worried that you keep posting about this and it's the same question.  My implant does not move at all.  When I lie on my back, my natural breast moves a little and the implant points straight up. 

  • m-star
    m-star Member Posts: 547
    edited July 2010

    i have a good sized gap between my TE's and my PS said she will try and bring them closer together when she does my exchange. I got all excited thinking this would mean i could go wider with my final implants but she said it doesn't work like that! LOL If need be,she will put stitches on the outer (internal) side to keep the implants over toward the centre more.

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    Lliah, thanks for the advice I'm sorry if I keep repeating the same questions. Your right. I think I am over analyzing this and I should just let it sink in and let my heart tell me what to do at some point. You have been a great help to me though and I appreciate what you have shared. I like knowing what to except, at least then I know I have made an informed choice.

    M-star hmmm I am definitely asking him again to move them closer and I will mention about the stitches on the side. You and I have a very similar frame from what I see in your pic. Don't worry about the size. Like I said I'm only filled to 300cc's and on my frame they look huge! I think your final result is going match your frame nicely and still be what you want. I wish I could put my pics on the forum but with TimTam shutting it down soon there's no point. I could email to them if you want.

  • m-star
    m-star Member Posts: 547
    edited July 2010

    Sweetie~ well iam 5' 10, and 146.9lb . My rib cage circ is 32".

    The thing i am worrying about now is capsular contracture and rejection of the implant. I really need to get back to work asap after my exchange (i will give myself around 4 weeks to heal and hope thats enough!) and i really dont want to have to be off work again due to complications. I think i would end up losing my job.

    I have just been reading about ways to try and prevent cap.con and they said using textured implants and using drains will help. I am having both of these so hope it's correct.

    Yes you could email you're pics if your ok with that? can you attach them to PM on here or shall i PM you my email address?

  • cs7777
    cs7777 Member Posts: 570
    edited July 2010

    Hi all!  FYI TimTam has reconsidered shutting the picture forum and so at least right now people are working on figuring out how to keep it open.  At least that's as of 2 days ago. 

    m-star I think the capsular contraction and rejection etc are so difficult to predict and probably not worth worrying about in advance too much.  Infections, on the other hand, are something that is preventable so do take all appropriate precautions and make sure all nurses and docs do too, leading up to and after your xchg surgery.

    Regarding the gap between the TEs, that's partially determined by how your muscles attach to your breast bone and everyone's anatomy is different.  I don't have hard data on it but it seems that its pretty frequent that PSs err a bit on leaving the TEs too far apart rather than placing them too close together.  My impression is that its very hard to fix the problem of the TEs or implant being too close togheter but much easier to fix them being too far apart by opening up a bit more of the pocket near the breast bone when placing the implants after removing TEs.  But again, even that is limited by how your muscle is attached there.  If they detach too much, then the implants can move too central and you end up with uniboob...definitely not good!

    I will second Lilah about how the gummy moves and/or can be shaped by a bra - essentially it doesn't and isn't.  Like her I'm a uni, although I didn't do any surg on my healthy breast.  While the healthy breast stretches and flattens when I raise my arms or lay down on the bed, the implant kindly behaves itself and stays right in place, perky as always. (I don't know how different this is for regular silicone implants...I've been meaning to ask some other gals.) The bras I have are not push up bras per se so I guess I can't say for sure that it can't be pushed up a bit to increase cleavage or upper pole fullness, but if I push with my hand like a bra would have to, I have to push quite hard to make the implant sort of squish out more at the top compared to just gently on my healthy breast for same effect.  Given all this, I think the bottom line is that with the 410 gummies you need to get the projection you want from your implant size/projection, and not expect a bra to do much of the work.  But don't take that to mean you can't get good projection and cleavage - Lilah's pictures are a case in point.  You just need the right size/projection implant for you. 

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited July 2010

    LOL CS!  Yep the projection on the gummy is great! 

    Sweetie -- as CS said we are working to keep the forum going... and anyway the closing date is like 6 weeks away!  So you should not hesitate to post a pic if you want to or have one to share.  I agree with what CS said about moving implants... you DON'T want to get symastia (I think that's what it is called) where the breasts move together and you lose the separation.  Not seeing your pictures and not knowing your specific body makes it hard to comment further... but I hope that you get your PS to give you implants that are closer together than your TEs! :)

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited July 2010

    Hello ladies, I'm a gummie girl, well, eventually anyway.  I had my TE's placed on June 23rd and have had one fill.  I am at 220 on one side and 180 on the other side, so I have a ways to go yet.  One expander has more because they filled more during surgery and my old mastectomy side wouldn't take as much as the skin sparing prophy mastectomy side.   I didn't really explore other options for implants, my plastic surgeon is very experienced and has been doing gummies for 10 years (I'm in Canada) with great success and he said that's what he would recommend for me.  He said he thinks I would be happier with the look of the gummies.   Although I'm just at the beginning of this, I am so happy to have a small mound on my left side, it's been over a year and a half since my IDC diagnosis and first mastectomy.  I really don't think I could have looked in the mirror and saw that much longer. 

    I am recovering very well, no pain at all except for one very small area under my right expander.  It's killing me!  My plastic surgeon says not infection as there is no signs of that at all, he thinks it's that the expander is on a nerve and told me to massage the area.  Alternatively, he said it could be expander rubbing on rib.  The pain is not there when I lay down and when I push on the area, there is no pain, but when I walk around it gets very painful.  Has anyone had this?  I think I'll post this topic as a new thread and see if I get any takers.......

  • DiDel
    DiDel Member Posts: 1,329
    edited July 2010

    I have a question for all you ladies who have already had your exchange. My exchange is scheduled for September 15th, I can't wait.

    All I know for now is that I am getting the Mentor Cohesive Gels. I had a UMX on the right side and currently when I wear a demi cup style bra I have an indent in the TE at the end of the day. It goes away but I wondered if that happens to your implant as well. Will I get marks and indents from my clothes/bra?  Also, I feel like I get squished in my sports bra. I bought a bigger size cause aside from TE getting flattened I feel like I can't breath. Is that cause the TE is so hard?? Should I not wear sports bra that is so restricting?

    Diane

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    M-star well you a little taller as I am 5'7" 130, but it sorta evens out. I saw your pics and your TE looks so much like mine right now. PM your email address and I'll mail them to you. I read and heard several time that gummy's are less likely to cause capsular contraction. That is one of the benefits of them and the fact they won't leak.

    cs777-thank you for your comments. Good insight about the gap. I am going to ask my Dr. It was just strange how he said he can use a wider implant but didn't really say anything about revising the pocket or actually moving them. I wonder if it has to do with my muscles as you have said. At least now I know what to ask him. From what I have read and heard regular round silcone not gummy's do move more. The Dr. told me they flatten out when you lay down and they can be pushed up in a bra. That is nice when your wearing a bra, but he said the gummy's look better when you nude.

    Lilah- your my sweetheart! Your so patient with my redundant questions and you never get mad at me! thank you!! I think I will try putting my pics up there. I hope I can figure out how to resize them because I'm not a computer whiz with stuff like that, I'll let you know if I can figure it out.

    JillyG-welcome! glad you joined our "rock'n" forum!  I am glad you are doing well. About that  pain near your TE I had the same thing. I got this weird cramping type pain. It was so bad I had to take 2 pain meds. I agree I think it is sitting right on a nerve because I had that TE removed because my wound wouln't close and when he put the new one in the pain was gone. I assume because it is no longer sitting on that nerve. My Dr. gave me Nerontin for the pain and it helped along with Vicodin but I eventually weaned off it.

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    Hey girls I just added my pics to the pic forum under nipple sparing bilateral/pending gummies, let me know what you think, please

  • elizzim
    elizzim Member Posts: 146
    edited July 2010

    Hello Friends!

    I have not been around much lately - trying to allow life to normalize, and busy with a new business. But I have been reading all of your posts quietly. I'm amazed that the thread that I started with my own confusion about "Gummies" has evolved into THIS!  I'm so glad that we have all found such a wealth of knowledge and support here.

    I'm now many months out since my exchange and my one fat grafting surgery. (I will try to post photos soon.) I will be having a second fat grafting surgery in early September. 

    I have what might be called a love-hate relationship with my new breasts at this point. (Most importantly, I am thankful to feel healthy each day, and for the miracle of my reconstruction.) On the one hand, in clothes, and if you don't look too closely, I have the boobs of an 18 year old! It's fun, after having had (and nursed) 2 kids...

    On the other hand, possibly because my gummies are slightly larger than they could have been, I have some rippling, which looks less than perfect in many lights. I also have very thin skin, so the surface of the breast is bumpy and uneven in areas, in contrast to the smoothness and suppleness of a natural breast. My new breasts are also so firm and unmovable that - while they look pretty good in a general sense -  they don't feel much at all like a real breast.

    I've acclimated to all of this over time, but since I'm single and just beginning to date after BC, I am very fearful of how a man will react to them. (I know, I know, the right man won't care at all - but I may face lots of rejection in the process of finding him!)

    It's great to know you're all out there,

    Liz 

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited July 2010

    Liz,

    We thank you so much for starting this wonderful forum and yes it has evolved. I am glad to hear you are doing well and as with everything concerning BC it always seems to be some sort of compromise doesn't it?

    As for dating you are beautiful woman and the sum of who you are is not just your breasts, in fact that is only a small part of who you are and any man worth dating will see that and know that. Any man worth knowing will know you first for the person you are inside and that's the person he will get to know and appreciate. Of course we are all conscience of how we appear on the outside and I see how that is also important to you. Even those of us who are married we still feel the same self conscienceness. I think if you learn to love and appreciate yourself just the  way you are other's will view you the same way. We have been through a lot and I think BC has made us stronger and even more beautiful in many ways! Hang there and don't be discouraged when you dating people reject you for all sorts of reasons, sometimes it just doesn't click,etc, but BC shouldn't be one of them and if that's the reason you are rejected than so be it, he was definitely not the one!

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited July 2010

    After the tightness of the TE, the gummy side does feel "jiggly" to me.  Sometimes I would prefer it not to be so jiggly though since I think the nerves and everything are still healing in there.

  • Kitwe
    Kitwe Member Posts: 64
    edited July 2010

    I get inflated next week.  Will I be sore?  My PS is having some trouble getting Gummies at this time. I'm just starting so we have time before the exchange.  Are they always hard?

    Thanks 

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited July 2010

    Kitwe, I had my first fill last week and I found it very easy.  Not painful, I was pleasantly surprised just how easy that was.  I can't wait for my next fill.

    Liz, I just noticed our stats are the same and we were diagnosed a month apart.   Thank you for starting this thread, it's very helpful.  I've heard others mention fat grafting.  What does the fat grafting do?  They take fat from somewhere else and then inject into the skin around the implant?  Will it help the ripples?

  • Mantra
    Mantra Member Posts: 968
    edited July 2010

    I'm about 6 weeks away from having my TE exchanged. The PS will be using Allergen gummies. I sometimes wish I would have had a single mastectomy first just so would have had the real deal to compare to the gummy.  Then once that was finished, I would have gone ahead with the second mastectomy, Obviously I can't turn back the clock so I'll never really have the ability to compare my real breast with the gummy. I guess whatever it feels like will just become the new norm and I'll learn to live with it. 

    Did someone say you can't shape the gummies to fit into a great cleavage bra? Darn! I love cleavage enhancing bras!

    Prior to surgery, the PS opened a box and handed me a gummy to hold. It did feel very soft and squishy.  However, since it sits behind a muscle, how can it feel soft if it's hidden behind the muscle? Am I misunderstanding this?

    Yesterday I had "that" embarrassing TE moment. I was helping someone at work with her computer and I was standing behind her. I took me several minutes before I realized by foobs were poking into her back. YIKES!! Embarrassing  . . . although I'm not sure she actually noticed (but how could she not!!??).  I have banged them into walls and doors but this is the first time that I was aware of banging them into a person. They should have some kind of sensor built in that would prevent you from getting too close to something. They have them on cars so maybe foobs may be in the works.

  • Goldieknox
    Goldieknox Member Posts: 83
    edited July 2010

    Mantra - Oh, no. I would have been embarrassed as well, but it does give you a funny story to share. I had a giggle over it.I have bumped into some random stuff, just takes some getting used to I guess. Of course, I'm not used to it and who knows if I ever will be.

  • elizzim
    elizzim Member Posts: 146
    edited July 2010

    Hi all-

    jillyG: yes, fat grafting surgery suctions small amounts of fat from an area where you have extra (for me, my outer thighs, and injects it under the skin in areas of the breast that need smoothing and softening. In my case, it made a very subtle difference, but enough of a difference to justify the surgery. I know I won't look or feel perfect, but the fat grafting gets me incrementally closer to where I want to be.

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