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  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited September 2005
    Prayer,

    There are different opinions on this one. Peg's doctor say no. Mine says yes Day 7-13. Well, mine says one glass of wine is okay and also recommends that you make sure you have drunk a lot of non-alcohol so your liver doesn't need to work too hard.

    Best to you tomorrow.....

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited September 2005
    Cheryl,

    I grabbed these definitions from the treatment section of this site:

    Chemotherapy combinations for non-metastatic breast cancer

    AC ± T – Adriamycin (chemical name: doxorubicin) with cyclophosphamide (brand name: Cytoxan), with or without Taxol (chemical name: paclitaxel) or Taxotere (chemical name: docetaxol)

    CMF – cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, and fluorouracil ("5-FU" or 5-fluorouracil)

    CAF – cyclophosphamide, Adriamycin, and fluorouracil ("5-FU" or 5-fluorouracil)

    CEF – cyclophosphamide, Epirubicin (similar to Adriamycin), and fluorouracil ("5-FU" or 5-fluorouracil)

    FAC – fluorouracil ("5-FU" or 5-fluorouracil), Adriamycin, and cyclophosphamide

    My hair is about 80% gone now, and yes, it cleared out in patches. I lost the bottom portions first, and now all that remains are some areas on the top of my head. Very very attractive!

    I wore my wig for the first time today; that story is on my blog if you care to read about it. Her name is Cory and she doesn't look a thing like me.

    Scotch tape wouldn't take care of the amount of hair I started with. Well, it might, but I would only use it if I was a stock-holder in 3M. :-)

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited September 2005
    Nicole,

    Welcome to the other side! Use the next 7 days to gather your strength and be yourself. Hard to believe this difference between day 6 and 7, isn't it?

    *susan*
  • Pegk
    Pegk Member Posts: 389
    edited September 2005
    Susan
    I checked back with your blog this morning. I have so much admiration for you and the others that are continuing with their jobs through all this. I feel so good that I feel I could have continued working, but the long commute and the unexpected setbacks, not to mention the frequent doctor visits for shots and blood tests, I know I made the right decision.
    I went back as far as your haircut. You look beautiful! What amazing eyes! Are they blue or grey?

    Good luck today, Penny. I hope your side effects are minimal.
    I hope everyone is feeling well.
    Peggy
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited September 2005
    Oh Peg, Don't be impressed by me! I have worked about 18 hours total this round of chemo. Being self-employed means that I can work when it seems possible, but I am clinging to keeping my clients during this treatment.

    I have blue eyes though when it is cloudy they look grey.

    My daughter is coming home for the weekend and I am hoping that she is willing to take some bald shots for me. To be honest, I simply can't wait to see her.

    *susan*
  • hopeful1
    hopeful1 Member Posts: 54
    edited September 2005
    Hello everyone. It's been a awhile since I've posted - but I'm doing OK. I completed round 2 of A/C last Weds. and day 6 was my worst day yet. It appears to be a common pattern here! I have not been sick - but the fatigue was terrible. Had my 2nd Neulasta shot on Thurs. and I have had NO problems with that at all. I had my head buzzed after my last treatment, and it really wasn't too bad. My hair was coming out in such big clumps and making such a mess that I was releived to get rid of it!

    I went to a meeting last night at my kid's school and wore my wig. Several people asked me if I started my chemo yet! They couldn't tell it was a wig. It's close to my old style - but obviously different. It made me feel more confident about it though. I still have the 'alien animal' feeling - but everyone else says it looks great. I ran into a friend of mine who told me she loved my hair. You should have seen her face when I told her she could have it!

    Susan - thank you for thinking about me! Sorry about not posting - it's just been a hectic week - as most are with me. I am still working through this - and with 2 young kids and 2 elderly parents who need help - my time is a little limited! I'll try and keep up from now on!

    Prayer - I have had a few glasses of wine - and my onc. is fine with it. I am a huge football fan and a season ticket holder. I asked him if it was OK to have a beer at the game and his comment was "are you allowed to go to a game without having a beer? I thought that was a rule or something". In other words - anything in moderation that you can tolerate is OK.

    Good luck to everyone getting through the next week! Reading your posts has been a great help to me. I sometimes feel I don't have anything to offer in return for your inspirational posts - but please know I appreciate all of you being here.
  • txred9876
    txred9876 Member Posts: 392
    edited September 2005
    I still cannot get my SO to buzz mine but I took....are you sitting down...the vacuum cleaner to it..LOL. I cannot stand the loose hair thing...falling everywhere...I am shedding worse then the dog (gotta keep your sence of humor).

    If I feel up to in in a little while I may go in for a little bit to the office (if for nothing else to socialize a bit and have some lunch). This time has been MUCH easier as far as the side effects. My hair really started to go after this last treatment.
    Tina
  • nmherr
    nmherr Member Posts: 63
    edited September 2005

    Peggy about the 'cording' effect, I had lymph nodes removed under both my arms with first cancer. Yes I had the stretch tight problem but I was told to 'spider walk' my fingers up a wall until I felt the stretch. Then hold it for a couple minutes trying to relax, it will slowly stretch out those shortened ligaments. I am at free range motion now and have not had lasting effects. Good for me is the current mascectomy there were no lymph nodes to take so I do not have to deal with that now.

  • nmherr
    nmherr Member Posts: 63
    edited September 2005
    Finally buzzed my hair this morning. No one wanted to do it so I told them I would be doing it this morning and when they got home it would be done. The whining!!!! Tough I woke up drowning in shedded hair this morning and had no regrets doing it. I now am wearing my doo rag and have plans to go hat shopping.
    I am having a terrible time with my sinuses. I called the nurse but I don't have a fever so she says just over the counter stuff. Anybody have any better remedies? I am miserable and over the counter stuff just knocks me out.
    I am having a bad day and want to complain about one more thing. I got my period. Day 19, no hair, sinusitus, and my period. Sorry guys I just have to vent, I am feeling lousy.
  • tornadogirl
    tornadogirl Member Posts: 133
    edited September 2005
    NM, did they infuse you too fast? On my second and best AC treatment yesterday I told the nurse how good she was and then asked if she could infuse me really slow. She did and no headache. i too got my period first day of first AC, the 15th. GREAT. I was the life of the party due to good drugs and made all the patients and nurses laugh. made the time go faster. They asked to have me back!

    Now about the sinus headache, try taking Sudafed and then heat a small wet towel in your microwave until it is hot. When cool enough to put on face lay flat on your back with towell over whole face. Breathe thru it too. The steam will help. Repeat as many times as you can stand it. you can also buy those little steam machines where you put your face over them and breathe in the steam, steam over a boiling pot on the stove with a little vicks in there helps too if you put a newspaper over your head.

    Do not do this with newspaper over a gas stove.... in desparation i have used a hot hairdryer aiming it at my sinus areas. Suprisingly that has worked well if i do it long enough.

    All these work best in combo with the sudafed. That loosens it and the other clears it away. oh i forgot to mention a great sinus product, spray saline. There are many kinds but the Aresol kind, ENTSOL Spray, buffered Hypertonic nasal spray ...WOW.

    my husband got this and once after my first treatment i needed it and WOW, got rid of the problem. A combo of all these things should take care of you but if you look on Google i bet you can find Yoga and Pressure point therpy you can do on your nose. if my sinuses are really impossible and i am getting tense about it I place my face on a heating pad and lay face down on the bed while my husband rubs my neck with his hands or a warm cloth. If that does not work it sure helps my stress. Usually works though. Drink lots of water too and take some Advil if you can to ease the pain.

    You will get rid of this! it is hard to type with an orange 15 lb cat laying on my typing hand!

    Barb
  • jlpd
    jlpd Member Posts: 54
    edited September 2005

    I've been away from the computer for a day or two...my nurse confirmed that I should stop taking the Avitan and pHenergan if I didn't need it...I think the meds were giving me terrible stomach cramps (gas pains, I think)...so, lol, last night I think I went through 'withdrawal'...didn't sleep very good, but boy do I feel better today!!! Another question...Does anyone wean off their decadron? I'm given two tabs twice a day for three days...I wonder if I would do better with decreasing it a little slower...Just wondered if anyone does this? Well, I'm off to go wig shopping...I'm on Day 9, so I figure it won't be long. I too was told to use Sudafed for the sinus type headaches...but curious why you use Benedryl???To help you sleep?

  • lynellb123
    lynellb123 Member Posts: 69
    edited September 2005

    hi all I have started my chemo treatment September 2 & have since had 2 treatments of cytoxan&adrimacin (spell?My onc. plans a dose dense therapy of 4 treatments of C/A followed by 4 treatments of Taxol.So far I've tolerated the treatments pretty well, the anti-nausea meds are helpful. These boards are so wonderful. I read all the postings and find encouragement, information, hope & understanding. Bless all of us as we fight the good fight. Was anyone else crying when Melissa Ethridge sang her breast cancer song on Oprah?

  • Pegk
    Pegk Member Posts: 389
    edited September 2005
    OMG Tina! A vacuum cleaner!? How did that work? I think it's time for your SO to get busy. Too funny.

    Thanks Carol and Norine, for your input on cording. I'll continue stretching gently until I can find a PT.

    Barb,if you did all that typing with a cat on your hand, you're a superwoman (but aren't we all)

    Janet, the Bendryl was recommended to me as a sleep aid because the Decadron was keeping me up. I only used it the second night after treatment. I went to sleep on my own from exhaustion because I hadn't been able to sleep the night before, and when I woke up after about 3 hours for that bathroom break, I still had that "roidy" speedy feeling, so I took just one. It worked-got me to the morning.

    Welcome Lynell- I'm sorry I missed Melissa on Oprah. do you know the name of the song? Maybe I could find it on I-tunes.

    Hope all are doing well.
    Peggy
  • cazza61
    cazza61 Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2005
    Hi all
    Hope everyone is doing ok.
    I have been feeling better from day 7 till now wich is day 11 Im tired and was wondering if anyone else gets nose bleeds,I dont usually get them but today it started.The rest of my hair is starting to fall out its going real shiny on top now Ill be able to polish it soon.
    hope you are all well
    love always carol
  • cazza61
    cazza61 Member Posts: 34
    edited October 2005
    Oh I forgot
    Everytime I think of going for my next session of A/C I get this funny feeling inside and want to run.
  • jlpd
    jlpd Member Posts: 54
    edited October 2005

    Cassa, I'm sure we all feel that way! I'm not on dose dense, so I have a week and a half before my next session...and I'm dreading it all ready! I tried to keep a journal of how I felt so I would be better prepared...I'm at day 10 and actually feel pretty good..except I did a little too much physical work around my little farm last night (it's been six weeks since my mastectomy)...and I was experiencing some pain and swelling under my arm on the side of my chest...not good. I'm going to take it extra easy the rest of the weekend....Janet

  • tornadogirl
    tornadogirl Member Posts: 133
    edited October 2005
    Hi Cazza,



    That feeling you have is normal. Here is how i accidently found the solution to it. i took an Ativan one hour before i went to my second AC treatment to allieviate my own anxiety. I had gone to cancer counseling two days before to get rid of some fears. My husband drove me to the treatment on the 29th but you could find a ride there. or take the ativan 15 minutes before you arrive if you have to drive yourself.



    Then at the treatment session chairs. I looked around me and saw many worse off than me in about 10 chairs around me.



    That became my mission and will continue to be my mission for the rest of my treatment hours.



    ***To scan out the people that seemed to be wanting to talk and interact with me and to speak with them in order to distract us all from our sadness, unhappyness and fears.***



    One 35 year old woman had fear in her eyes, she had lung cancer so i asked if she had pets and found out she had a cat. She went on and on about her beloved cat who stayed by her side and i told her all about my big fat orange cat BOB who follows me and sleeps at my feet even if i just go to take a nap. BOB loves a good nap. We began talking about the best cat foods our picky cats like and soon i had her laughing instead of crying.



    They all said i looked young for age 50, the nurse said i looked 35 and i told her i could hug her if I had a longer teather (the tubes to the drip) but then to prove my age i pulled out my AARP magazine i had brought to read and joked that after these treatments were over i would look my age or older and feel like 55!



    I kept joking about myself and interacted with anyone within earshot asking about them and they were eager to tell me. I was not pushy but if they wanted to talk, a nice opening is to compliment somebody on clothing or shoes. Or ask them what things they like to bring to treatment. Then if they seem chatty, go for it and keep it positive. Make 99% of your conversation NOT about cancer. if you can. unless the conversation seems to sway that way then go with it but in a positive way.



    Dont relay your fears to them, try and be there to "ignore your own fears" and to "help them" thru the hours in any way you can if only by caring. Many told me about thier lives and families and if they worked, about thier work and i commented in positive ways and listened. i did not blab too much about myself and all my real estate holdings, i am a real estate investor (money cant buy you health or love) instead i asked about them. i wanted to focus on them.



    You know, the nurses came by and asked me to sit in those chairs next time instead of the more desireable "bed area" (I thought they were punishing me for making our corner sound like a rather loud, laughter filled, party) but instead they were demanding I sit there because the other patients were so lifted up by my attitude and it made thier jobs so much easier and more fun!



    One elderly lady next to me had Multiple Myeloma so i shared that my Dad had it, i did not get into details since she knew them all. The nurse was starting to stick her (she was afraid) with a needle in the vein and i told her her earings looked so good on her and where did she get those beautiful things from?



    You know, as she was answering me and talking to me she looked down and her needle was in there perfectly WITHOUT HER KNOWING IT because i was able to distract her with our conversation and was genuinely interested in her! The nurse gave me a look of 'thanks'.



    I went out of that treatment high on my love of people. My heart was singing and i was praying for us all silently.



    The nurses thanked me and i told them how great they were. i told them I "guess" i would be back for more in two weeks and to save me a chair! I wished each person I talked to the "best week" and told them i hoped I would see em again.



    Remember this my friend, cancer is not all about YOU. Everyone around you that you touch even in a small postive way in love or caring about thier life can make a difference in your life, thier life, and possibly spread love to others "thru each of them that you have touched with love" and then slowly to all this world in a powerful way.



    Just one tiny word of kindness or a 5 minute positive conversation during a trying time like chemo treatments can have a large and healing effect. you could be making those people who also dread coming back for more chemo by helping make thier time pleasant. i know i am dreading it less myself after what i was able to do and people i helped. i am looking forward to helping more folks next time too.



    You never know who you can help by just giving a good word to. You never know what that word will do for that person. it could make thier day or distract them from thier fear or pain. It most certainly will make YOU feel better at treatment time offering communication, caring and love to others as you ignore your own pain by doing so. And this attitude you can develop can translate into other situations in your life. Every day you can make somebodys day better, a stranger, a friend, anyone. not just during chemo either.



    Your own pain and fears and even crying are real but they can be dumped carefully on a "trained cancer counselor "(which they will provide and you can ask for and i have used to help me) or this BC board can help you so that "when you go into your treatment times" you are fresh and ready to help others if they seem open to it by talking and laughing.



    Believe me no one likes treatment, it is like we are all embarking on a cruise ship we dont want to be on. But you are doing the right thing by getting this life saving treatment. So, go forth bravely to your treatment and learn to interact with any others that need you! Remember most sitting at treatment with you are worse off than you and need you to cheer them if you can and if they want to talk.



    Make it your mission and your goal! And you will not fear treatment times so much. Good luck my friend!
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2005
    Carol,
    The membranes in our nose are among the fast-growing cells that chemo targets, plus as we lose our nose hair the inside of the nose becomes more irritated. I haven't heard of nose bleeds before, but I can easily see why that would happen. On another thread, women were using Chapstick [a waxy lip balm] in their noses to keep the sores to a minimum. Not sure if this is useful, but at least you know that the inside of the nose is a place that we all get more sensitive.

    I think it is amazing that we sidle up to the chemo bar time after time. Tuesday night I will have nightmares, well disturbing dreams anyhow, because I know what I am going to do on Wednesday morning. I think the flee factor is totally normal. Acknowledge it, but if you can, don't dwell on it. As I have said before, I am going with the science. In five years I never want to regret not having fought this cancer with everything that my doctors thought would make me a long term survivor!

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2005
    Tina,

    A vacuum cleaner? So creative! Isn't your champagne gala tomorrow? Do let us know how much fun you have there. In fact, since I don't have a life right now, give us lots of details!

    It is so wonderful that this round was easier for you. Knowledge is a powerful thing.

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2005
    Lynell,

    Welcome to the September Soul Sisters. Glad to hear that the treatments are going well for you. You are right.... these boards are a great place to find compassion, information and emotional support. Glad that you found us.

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2005
    Barb,

    All I can say is "WoW!" You are an extraordinary person.

    *susan*
  • susan_02143
    susan_02143 Member Posts: 7,209
    edited October 2005
    Janet,

    Oh yes, slow down just a little. You don't want that swelling if you can avoid it. Personally, I am thinking I will never vacuum my house again. Someone else can do that!

    [Hey, this cancer-thing has to be good for something!]

    :-)
    *susan*
  • jlpd
    jlpd Member Posts: 54
    edited October 2005

    Bubbles...have you ever thought of becoming a motivational speaker??? What you said was wonderful and so true!!! I tend to find that if I can laugh about something, or focus on someone else, then what I am going through is not so difficult. I don't see any reason to 'feel sorry' for myself and I don't...I'm so anxious to get this over with and get on with my life...and at the same time give this wonderful life of mine more meaning and purpose. What better way is there than to help others!!! That's what 'life' is all about. Amen. Janet

  • tornadogirl
    tornadogirl Member Posts: 133
    edited October 2005
    You all, thanks! And JL, i used to speak and motivate people especially other women to buy thier own home, man or no man in thier life. i then hand held many women thru the (scary) buying process. They thank me now for owning thier own property. Some women chose to become real estate investors and own more than one home. I spoke to other groups about this.

    But all this speaking in front of big and small groups about homes and how to motivate people to buy them will help now with this WAY more important work, BREAST CANCER.

    Who knows where it will lead. Who knows where my path will go next! BC changes your path in life forever and we just have to "go with the flow" and try and eck out as much good from the difficult journey as possible!!!!

    (It is funny, my husband has been saying, "Well, you wanted to meet some new girlfriends and now you have!" But I never thought it would be this way!!!)

    love yu all,

    Barb
  • nmherr
    nmherr Member Posts: 63
    edited October 2005
    Janet,
    Take it easy on the arm and keep it higher than your heart to let the water come off of it. I would get that way while mowing after the masc and would mow with my arm over my head. Everyone thought I was waving so I did. Stretching it out helped too.

    I went to Doctor Friday afternoon about my sinuses. They are infected. I am on antibiotics and Sudafed. I will have to try some of the other things mentioned especially asking for a slower drip. I did feel like the cytoxan brought it on. I might try the sprays too because they do feel dry and swollen. My head is back to feeling like a vice clamp is around it.
    My neighbor was over with her 5 year old yseterday. I took my doo rag off and her eyes got huge. We laughed at my new haircut but she wouldn't touch it. I love how it feels and am so glad I buzzed it off.
    Well here in redneck land it is time for hunting. My son went to the mtns and Hubby should go Sunday if I am ok. We eat deer meat almost all year long. Hubby's mom is having fits that they are even considering it but I tried telling her the more people act normal around here the better I feel. I might go and stay with a neighbor.
    Well it is time to eat again. What a chore. I never thought eating was such hard work. Hope you all are on the good side of a treatment. Thanks for the advice.
    Norine
  • jlpd
    jlpd Member Posts: 54
    edited October 2005

    Norine...it's funny...eating has always been a big pleasure in my life (and probably why I carry an extra 25 pounds around) and now it is harder...hopefully when this is all over, it'll actually be easier to drop some of the weight...even chocolate doesn't taste good!!! My swelling is actually on my side, not my arm (they only took about 7 or 8 lymph nodes)...but I am using a pillow so hopefully that will help the swelling to subside...and to think it was almost back to normal before yesterday!!! Make sure they cook that deer meat thoroughly for you...sorry, but that just doesn't really appeal to me...Prime rib, that's another story!! lol! Well, we're actually going OUT to dinner tonight...first time since I started treatment...but I hate to say it, I need to grab a bite to eat now or I won't be able to eat later!! Have a good evening everyone! Janet

  • AussieMum
    AussieMum Member Posts: 124
    edited October 2005
    Thanks Bubbles for your encouragement.

    It is true that when we focus on one thing, other things fade. In focussing on other people, we don't have as much time to worry about ourselves.

    And you are right, focus on other PEOPLE, not on the CANCER.

    I am NOT breast cancer. I am not defined by breast cancer. It is something that I HAVE and am dealing with in the best way I can.

    Thanks
  • monkey9cats
    monkey9cats Member Posts: 47
    edited October 2005
    Good evening everyone! Hope all is well! I just love reading these posts! I had someone come over and clean my house today because my daughter will be here tomorrow. Needed to get 75% of the cat hairs (as well as my hair drippings) out of my house before she arrives. By-the-way the vacumn thing DOES working on getting the loose hair off of your head. I tried it! HA HA

    Boy yesterday I had a throbbing tooth. I thought I had bitten down on something hard (since I can't quit eating) and today my jaws all swollen. I freaked and had the oncologist that was on call call me. He said if it got worse or more swollen to call him & he'd call in antibiotics. Just what I need now is an abcessed tooth a few days before my 2nd treatment this Thursday. Are we suppose to check with our oncs about stuff like that? He did say since I'm going on my 3rd week my white cells are probably low. I guess I'll call my regular onc Monday if its still bothering me & see what she says. I wonder if you can have teeth pulled when your on chemo??? So many things to think about.....

    Well I'm going to go take some more advil and go to bed.

    Nite ladies!!

    Cheryl
  • AussieMum
    AussieMum Member Posts: 124
    edited October 2005
    Hi Norine and Janet. (Tried to put thispost on this morning but computer died!)

    I too have always enjoyed eating - the tastes, the textures, the company that comes with it. But, like you, things have changed in the smell and taste department.

    I am a confessed chocaholic - it is well known - and as a result gifts of chocolate were forthcoming. Unfortunately, they sit in my cupboard, virtually untouched! Every now and then I'll have a square, because my memory tells me it is wonderful, but I am disappointed each time.

    The sweetest thing I handle now is fruit salad: Strawberries, apples, oranges, bananas, passionfruit all in small pieces and easier to eat.

    My tastes are for saltier things now: even extra salt on yellow spud (potato + sweet potato mash with butter).

    The worst thing for me is rinsing my mouth with bicarb. It has to be done, but . . . In my household, when a 'meal' is finished, the saying is
    'I just have to go and ruin my meal now' or 'Go and spoil your tea, Mum'. etc

    Hope your tastebuds have a great day!
  • AussieMum
    AussieMum Member Posts: 124
    edited October 2005
    Hi Cheryl,

    I hope it is not an abscessed (spelling??) tooth. 2 days before my last cycle, I thought the same thing - throbbing, painful up the back of my mouth on one side. Developed into infected mouth ulcers. White cells low so couldn't fight the infection.



    I wouldn't wish either on you, infected tooth or ulcers, so I hope a good night's sleep helps, and all settles down.



    Maybe a mouthwash with a numbing effect/anaesthetic? Even just to rest it and help you eat.

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