Chemo June 2010

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  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited July 2010

    Just used your tip about a lint roller on the hair stubble...that's genius!  Thanks.

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited July 2010

    Workmother ----Yes, I feel really weak from AC, too. Spent the first three days lying around - literally - one day, I went round the corner to run an errand.  One day I planted a few plants in the back yard. But otherwise on the sofa all day and took 2 hour naps minimum.  Today (Day#4) I feel better, but decided to stay home from work tomorrow too as a precaution becasue I was SO wiped out last time. Took a nap earlier.  Hang in there ladies - especially you AC ladies, it's tough - so be as nice to yourself as you can be.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    Had ac #3 today.  Starting to feel some nausea, but I'll take zofran and decadron on about an hour.  Took Ativan before I went, as usual, because my nausea starts before I even get there!  And I remembered my emla cream this time--harly felt the poke.  My port was clogged again, so they gave it their "draino" stuff and it cleared it up.  Protein builds up and makes a "flap" in there.  The flush could get in, but blood wasn't getting out.

    I asked my onc all my questions about low blood pressure, low wbc counts, fevers, etc., and basically, I survived so I'm good to go for the next round!  All my counts were back up thanks to the Neulasta!  I found out that Neulasta doesn't keep the counts from dropping, it just shortens the time that they are low.  We need to be very careful with handwashing, etc, but don't need to wear masks or seclude ourselves (unless that makes you feel more comfortable!).  My Neutrophils were so low that they showed up on the computer as 0!  But as long as they come back up, I guess that's acceptable.  The low bp/light-headedness could have been from lack of fluids, chemo se, getting sick, etc.  If I have another bad episode I need to call my onc.  And, of course, watch the temps.

    So, we'll see how this round goes!  I will try to drink more fluids next weekend--i know I drink a few glasses a day, but probably not as much as I need to.

    Hope everyone's elses se's are minimal!!!

    Tina

  • MandM22
    MandM22 Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2010

    Hey all -

    Hope everyone's SE are calming down. For those of you that are headed into your next treatments already, good luck. I am just two weeks out of my 1st TCH treatment, so I haven't had as much yuck as the rest of you. I have been scanning the pages for all of the advice that you have shared about SE and quick remedies so hopefully I can bounce back quick.

    Ishobie- I had the same problem with weight loss after the first treatment.  I lost 8 pounds and was having trouble keeping anything in my system. Doctor had me try what I call a white diet because everything general is white in color. I ate (white bread, mashed potatoes, white rice, vanilla yogurt and eggs) to name a few. Seemed to help get my system back on track.

    Keep up the good fight 

  • janny99
    janny99 Member Posts: 119
    edited July 2010

    Latte ~ Taking care of a two year old IS a full-time job!!!  It's hard enough when you feel good, but it's expected that you get frustrated at times.  The one thing constant about little ones is that you they love you unconditionally and you are most likely beating yourself up about something your toddler has already forgotten about!!!  Hang in there!

    Kittycat ~ The little one in the picture is my 2 year old grandson...I almost didn't put this photo on because my face is so puffy from the Decadron, but I loved that he had to have a sleep cap on like his "mom mom" as he calls me.  We involved him in the whole process of my hair falling out and leading to the buzzing what was left.  No 'biggie' to him.  If you ask him where my hair went, he says, "in the vacuum cleaner" very matter of fact....gotta love those little ones.

     R711 ~ Even though my posts are kind of "blue"this week, I have actually tolerated the weekly Taxol/Herceptin infusions quite well.  So don't let my being kind of negative right now scare you.  The biggest problem for me is the fatigue, and I think that's why I've been a little crabby, I'm just soooo tired.  I have a few GI symptoms, the worst part is the chemo diarrhea, but my appetite is pretty good for the most part.

    Cheyanne ~ I think an antidepressent is a good idea.  I take a low dose, and it helps me cope with all that we are going through....and we are ALL going through A LOT!!!!

    TMarina ~ I really pushed it too hard with work these past few days, and I am not going to do that anymore.  I was soooo sick when I finally made it home last night, I think the worse that I have felt since I started this June 7th.  My oncologist filled out paperwork for intermittent FMLA while I'm undergoing chemo...if I need another note each week to only pull two 12 hour shifts rather than 3 or 4, then I will do that...I think my job is safe for up to 3 months.

    I cried for the first time during my 6th round of chemo today.  I had an agency nurse, who was nice, but I didn't know her & I was used to my "Team" of Oncology nurses, so that made me uncomfortable.  Plus, I asked her if they were going to do a PT/INR because they increased my dose of Coumadin last week, she didn't even check and said "no" I didn't need it (I had a blood clot from my port, hence the blood thinners).  I really didn't feel well, and when I asked her to get me a prescription for something stronger than immodium for my liquid stools (which the NP told me to ask if I needed it), the nurse told me I didn't need it and to keep trying the immodium!!!  I am dehydrated, my BP was only 82/60.  "HELLO"  assessment skills???  I also lost 5 pounds this past week, this is not normal for me!!!  I know my usual nurses would have at least checked with the MD or NP to double check what labs I might need, or see if they want to give me a prescription.  I was so upset!!!  Then my ex called and asked if I was feeling better today (I was a little bit better) but that made me cry even more.  I was told to ask the nurses to check to see if they would give me fluids, and this nurse kind of ignored that....so, when my infusions were complete, I asked her to run in the rest of the flush bag (at least), which she did.  I felt soooo out of control!!!  Then went to the free head covering shop at the Cancer Center, and the volunteer just stayed in there with my daughter and I.....acting like she was worried that we would take too much stuff!!!  (2 scarves, 1 turban).  Talk about uncomfortable.  When I've gone in there before, they just say take whatever you need, that's what it's for.  Plus, I have donated extra wigs that were given to me, about 30 turbans, and a few other items that were given to me that I can't use.  Arrrrgggghhhhhh.  

    OK, now that I've been a negative Nelly, we did end the day on a good note with my daughter and I enjoying a nice lunch together (her 23rd birthday was yesterday) and did a little shopping where I bought a couple of scarves and 3 hats.....getting addicted to the hats!!!  OK, that's enough rambling for today....just need to get out of this slump!!!!

    God Bless you all!!!  You are all amazing women!!!  Wish I had some of that strength....Hoping for an awesome week for everyone with minimal SE's.  

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    janny99-->love the pic!  That's sooo cute.  My grandson is 9 months old.  He (and my dd) came over for a visit today--always brightens my day!!

    Go ahead and let it out here--that's what we are here for.  So sorry you had a such a bad experience with that lousy nurse.  Can you call your onc's office and ask to speak to his nurse?  That way you can get your questions answered--and maybe let someone know about that aweful nurse!  You need to speak up for yourself!  (I know its hard for me to do sometimes too!)

    Take care!!

    Tina

  • julia2
    julia2 Member Posts: 183
    edited July 2010

    Had a rough time with my 2nd TC today, never got the C, have to go back in the am for it.  Here's what happened, I got my pre-meds, then they started to push the Taxotere at normal speed and after a few minutes I felt flushed in my face, they stopped the drip, gave me benadryl, started it back at half speed, then they tried to up it to full speed again, and my throat started to feel dry and sore and maybe swollen.  So they stopped it again, and waited 15 min.  The sore throat didn't really subside, so more benadryl, another wait, then start it up at 1/2 speed.  By the time the T was in me it was 4:30, and since they expected to have to run the C slowly too (i mentioned a slight sore throat during it last time, when it was given a half speed) they said 'come back tomorrow'.  Now the Onc told me the C is what keeps the T in your body and gets it to bind to cells, so now I'm afraid I had this incredibly expensive treatment today that isn't going to be effective with a 20 hour delay until the C.  Plus i'm worried that if I'm showing an allergic reaction to the drugs then maybe I should be on something else?  If this gets worse than today I don't think I can do 2 more.

    Julia

    Julia 

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    julia2-->wow, I am so sorry to hear that! I hope it goes well for you tomorrow.  Try not too worry too much about the effectiveness.  A 20 hour delay hopefully will not effect it.  Hopefully your onc will have some answers for you soon!

    Tina

  • meliss
    meliss Member Posts: 31
    edited July 2010

    Julia2, your reaction sounds very similar to mine on the 2nd round of TC. But, my onc would not start the T up again once I reacted. They shut it down and gave me steroids. My reaction stopped very quickly. She would not allow me to continue on TC. She gave me the options of AC and CMF. Since I am HER2-, I opted for CMF. PM me if you have questions.

  • NorthernGirl
    NorthernGirl Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2010

    Wow, we are a struggling bunch... I am just catching up on a few days' worth of posts... I am struck by the change in the tone of our messages from just a few weeks ago. We are well into the weary fight.  My heart goes out to each one of you who has dreadful side effects.

    I go for my third round of FEC100 this Friday... it makes me sad... I am feeling so much better this week and I am not looking forward to the headaches, sore throat, heartburn, weakness, breathlessness, fatigue... yuk.  

    Hang in there ladies. Take good care of yourselves

  • kickazz
    kickazz Member Posts: 19
    edited July 2010

    I am trying to get myself geared up for round three of TCH.  I have to have the Taxol super slow due to the feeling of shortness of breath.  I am dreading going back.  I am just starting to feel a little better.  The second time was so difficult- the fatigue, constipation, then an internal stitch from my port popped out.  Ugh.  Also I met my rad MD for after surgery- and the thought of radiation for 6 weeks.  I know I have to do all this- its just depressing sometimes.  Blah , blah, blah.  I will get through it, just SUCKS!   

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2010

    Anyone develop acne? What products have you used that worked?? I have large painful pimples and its driving me nuts! I dont know what kind of cleanser to try...

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    RS711-  I think "chemo acne" is a common SE, lots of ladies seem to have outbreaks.  I know several ladies like products from lindiskincare.com.  They were developed just for chemo patients.  As I  am very sensitive and have roseacea outbreaks, I haveplayed with aromatherapy essential oils for years.  Essential oil of lavender and chamomile are very soothing and healing.  Do NOT use them undiluted.  I switched to Cetaphil cleanser and Cetaphil moisturizer (most drugstores).  It is designed for sensitive skin, no fragrance etc...  After cleansing, I put a squirt of moisturizer in my palm, then I add 1-2 drops of lavender oil, mix it up and rub it in.  Depending on my skin, I use different essential oils.  Lavender helps breakouts.  Chamomile helps sensitivity.  Rose helps dryness.  As our skin is probably very confused and challenged right now, I think the less we do to it, the better, try to baby it. 

    I am so sorry so many of you are having difficulties with your chemos.  Some day we will all look back and be proud we were brave enough to go through this torturous treatment.  We can do this!  Remember Jayne's advice (which I LOVE).  "You don't have to be brave.  You just have to show up".

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    RS711

    Yes I've heard also that lavender is good for breakouts.  And maybe the essential oils are cheaper than the Lindi products?  They have lavendar in them also, but I found them to be very expensive.  I know that witch hazel works too.  I've heard ladies here mention it, and i use it on the red bumps I get after shaving and it works great.

    Good luck!

  • Sherry9316
    Sherry9316 Member Posts: 294
    edited July 2010

    I feel so selfish when I read about everyone's battles with different SE's on here.  Mine is no better or worse than anyone else's.  I'm so sorry, you guys, that this battle for life takes such a toll on our bodies.  But in the midst of the negative and horribleness of this disease, there is a bright spot - and that's this forum.  Since I've discovered this place, it has put the joy back in my heart even on my worst days.  I love reading and getting to know you precious people.  I pray for all of us that our battle won't crush our spirits and that our families will also survive.  AND I'm finally having a good day - I am hungry, I am eating and I am drinking!  But tomorrow is treatment #2 and back to the yuckies!  Until then, I shall pretend that I'm a normal person (except when I put on my wig later and go to Walmart with my daughter)!

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited July 2010

    I promised Sarah Adams at http://www.gailafund.org/ that I would post information about their new organization to help women with cancer. They provide free hat wraps for any cancer patient, knowing that hair loss is a traumatic part of the diagnosis and treatment process, and that a lush and lovely head wrap is a most welcome gift.

    Gail Arch (aka GailA) left work in 2009 to fight the fight with metastatic cancer. She wanted something to do, as if fighting cancer isn't already a full time job. She decided to sew a few hats from materials she collected in her world travels, and to give them away to women also fighting the same battle.  Three of her friends (Sarah Adams, Paige Yates and Debby Belichick) merged thier talents, expanded on the idea and forged ahead to form this public charity that helps women living with cancer.

    Go to http://www.gailafund.org/ and looks them over. Then click on the form and sign up to receive one FREE. They even let you put down three of your favorites and they really do try to send one of those almost immediately upon receipt of your registration. They have a huge selection of colors and fabrics...even silks and soft linens.

    And yes, the would love donations and they do sell these wraps so if you'd like more than one you can purchase at any time. Or if a friend offers to get you a gift, maybe another Gaila headwrap would be nice. But they don't push you into any purchase and truly just want you to have a free hatwrap.

    Really, do give this a try. It's a very lovely and sincere gesture. They can't take the cancer away but they can gift you a beautiful headpiece to wear with pride

    Giving credit where it's due...I first heard of this through an early post by DesignerMom...thank you.

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    I just want to say how special you all are!  Like Sherry (hooray, savor your feel-good day), knowing and talking with all of you has brought me such hope and optimism.  I believe in that old saying "that which does not break us, makes us stronger".  Can you imagine what we will all be able to do with our amazing strength when we get to the other side of this battle??  I am fantasizing a post treatment reunion somewhere so we could all finally meet face-to-face.  How fun would that be???  As always, you are all in my prayers (and praises too).

    Bon -thanks for chiming in about the Gaila.org headwraps.  Not only are they a wonderful organization, their scarves are beautifully made.  They are soft, no inside seams, very well thought out.  Not to mention, you can look like a regal African queen!  Why not?  I can pull that off!  I live in NYC!

    tmarina- I agree with you about expensive skincare products.  It has been long known that most of the price is mark-up, not ingredients.  Like I said, the Cetaphil products are great "neutral" cleansers and moisturizers.  The essential oils run about $8-9 a bottle at the health food store.  These tiny bottles last probably 6-8 months as I only use a couple drops at a time.  You need to make sure they are "pure essential oil".  Sometimes, they cheat by mixing a bit of lavender with cheaper oil.  As I said, I have studied a bit about aromatherapy (it is widely used medically in Britain).  In Britain, they even use lavender on some burn patients as it works so well in healing.  I often use about 10 drops of lavender in a running bath.  It is well-documented that lavender is relaxing.  We could all use a little of that and it makes the whole house smell great.  I've been known to toss some in my stressed DH bath.  He refers to it as my "hoodoo voodoo" stuff!

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited July 2010

    i have my third Ac on friday and i still feel really tired is that normal? i mean i can do the things i need to do at home but i feel wiped out, could it be the crying and emotional stress as well?

  • RS711
    RS711 Member Posts: 105
    edited July 2010

    Thanks for the tip on lavender... I have an organic health food store nearby and I will look for that! Last time I was there, the woman in the store helped me find the aloe for my scalp....

    Chey- I have AC #4 on thursday and I can tell you that the fatigue seems to be cumulative. My dr. says it will let up on Taxol.

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    cheyenna-  It's all normal, as "normal" as any of this is!  Between the chemo, hormones, lack of sleep, Ativan, and emotions, of course you are tired!  Please promise us you will candidly discuss your anxiety and emotions with your Onc when you see him. You tell him you are popping Ativan and it will get his attention.  They need to help you with this.  It will make it all easier if you get some support with the anxiety.  We're rooting for you Cheyenna!

    Okay, I'll tell you guys why I know so much about essential oils.  Last year, being totally underwhelmed with all skincare products, expensive or not, I started developing a skin and bodycare line of products. With a laboratory,  I perfected two lotions and was almost finished with the scents.  I am using only pure essential oils and botanicals, no synthetic fragrance.  THEN!  Boom! I found the lump and I have been riding this wild BC horse ever since. So everything screeched to a halt. One of my scents, inspired by my lovely German grandma, is predominantly lavender, also has other essential oils in it.  If you guys want to be my little chemo skincare guinea pigs, I will gladly send you free samples.  Just PM me.

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    Yep, Cheyenna, I just had my 3rd yesterday, and never had any days with much energy, unfortunately.  The last 2 were better, and of course I felt great the day of tx!  Just can't wait to be done with this crap!

    I went in for my Nuelasta shot and had a different nurse.  She asked all about my se's and was astonished as they all are when they hear about my non-existent neutrophils, and how my counts went back up and such.  When I told her about the light-headedness, she said to really push the liquids (same as my onc and his "fellow" told me yesterday).  She said if I do get that feeling again to come in and get a bag of fluids.  She said everyone seems to feel better after getting a bag.  So we'll see what happens-----I can tell you I am to the point of gagging when drinking water, and not much else tastes good either.  Stupid cytoxan....

    T

  • PearlGirl
    PearlGirl Member Posts: 549
    edited July 2010
    I'll 2nd that, TMarina, Stupid Cytoxan!
  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited July 2010

    Yes, ladies "you're not in Kansas anymore".  You are in the real chemo misery.  I am so very sorry for all your SE.  You know why you are doing this.  It won't last forever.  Thank God!  You are my heroes.

  • julia2
    julia2 Member Posts: 183
    edited July 2010

    Yes stupid Cytoxan!  Got mine today, mild headache, food tastes like crap, but at least I'm still peeing this time!

    Julia 

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    julia2-->yay for peeing!! lol!  Keep drinking!

  • Rachel1
    Rachel1 Member Posts: 363
    edited July 2010

    Just finished my 2nd round of AC and feel like something on the bottom of a shoe.  Exhausted, head ache, depressed, nausea. My hair is starting to fall out -- flee for it's life--I'm also drinking (I've got a stomach ache) and not peeing.  Even my jaw hurts from clenching it.  This so **&^ucks. After first AC it seemed like I had a little reprieve of at least 12 hrs. Not this time.

     Keeping you all in my prayers,

    Rachel

    IDC, stage 2, grade 3 pos. nodes, ER/PR+ 

  • TMarina
    TMarina Member Posts: 692
    edited July 2010

    Rachel1-->  Good to hear from you!  Did the headache start with the Cytoxan?  Because that is known to cause headaches and they can slow it down to prevent them.  Sorry to hear you are feeling so bad!  The jaw clenching could be the steroids.  Keep taking your nausea meds!  And if they aren't working call and get something else!  I get Zofran and decadron (steroid) in infusion, then take them for 3 days.  I also get Emend, and have compazine and ativan for back-ups.  I think there are even more different ones out there too.

    I had my 3rd ac yesterday, and feel a little nausea, and alittle tired, but have been able to go for a walk and do some light house-keeping, etc.  I expect each day to get worse until about next Sunday or Monday. 

    Hope you don't get hit too hard this round!  Keep us posted!  :)

    Tina

    Got hiccups now too!  I get them every round--same time!!

  • CEBsMom
    CEBsMom Member Posts: 28
    edited July 2010

    Chey, Yes you are tired--between the stress and meds (not to mention the chemo and dx) you are tired.  You really should discuss w/ your doc.  If he/she is worth their salt they will be able to see your condition w/o you saying much. 

    I second (or is it third?) STUPID CYTOXEN and yea to the pee pee gods!

    I went yesterday for my second round to TC.  Pretty uneventful--same as first round.  I expect my 'flu day' to be Thurs but I'll be ready for it this time! 

    I've begun my trec to MD Anderson in Houston.  Tons of paperwork to complete and collect.  Still pretty wigged out about my oncotype coming back triple negative.  Asked my doc about it -- he said he uses that portion of the report to confirm the HER2 status and doesn't really look athe ER/PR status.  Didn't really understand that. I think he was trying to calm my fears -- it did for a while, but I slept on it and decided to pursue MDAnderson. 

     Had to go to meetings today at work where, of course, I got grilled about my hat.  Only the people I work with closely know of my treatment and I'm not really ready to 'share' w/ the entire work world.  I'm generally a pretty private person--you certainly couldn't tell it by all my blabbing here--so this is getting to the tough part.  Someone actually called me after the meeting and asked me what was wrong.  I just said 'can I just say I'm having a bad hair day?' Told her about my 'buzz cut' that a wore for a few days and then we laughed.  I promptly changed the subject. 

    Got my second wig in the mail.  Don't think I'm going that route.  Have spent over $200 on them and still don't have anything. Found a couple of cute hats and scarves I can wear to work, so I guess I'm going wigless! 

    Well, I guess I'm thru whining for the evening...

    Blessing on all of you--I think about you guys often!!!

    Hope you sleep tight and wake full of energy!!

  • Latte
    Latte Member Posts: 1,072
    edited July 2010

    hi everyone

    thanks for making me feel better about shouting at my daughter - I know everything you said is true, but it's still good to hear it from others. 

    I'm feeling pretty OK now, and gearing up for my last AC in 5 days - I can't believe it is the last one!!! and then 12xTaxol, but my oncologist said it's like a walk in the park compared to AC.

    i also got a headwrap from Gailafund.org. It's actually a nice story - my Mum died of cancer 8 yrs ago, and her name was Gaila. It's such an unusual name, and unusual spelling, that when I heard about theorganization it seemed like it was meant to be -I explained the connection for me, and asked whether they would send me one overseas and they did! I'm still waiting for my folliculitis to clear up (it's much better already) and then I can try wearing it.

     janny - my 2yr old's reactionto my hairloss was similar to your grandson's - i was really worried about how she would take it - but she just said "mummy black hair all gone" and when I asked her where it went, she said "floor" which was so true! now when she sees old photos of me, she starts laughing about my hair, and she thinks it is a huge joke :-)

    hang in there everyone - as a friend said to me - Just remember that you are doing this for a reason and it's working!

  • Isla
    Isla Member Posts: 82
    edited July 2010

    Hi June ladies

    I saw my oncologist today and found what he said very interesting. I wonder if what he said to me isn’t also the case with some of you other June ladies.  I was speaking to him about the fatigue I’ve had , a bit cycle 1 but much worse this time cycle 2. The tiredness is quite out of proportion to the amount of energy I’m expending. For example yesterday I set off from bedroom to kitchen to make a cup of tea.  Filled the kettle, put it on and was so stuffed that I simply couldn’t stay standing for the length of time it was going to take to come to the boil; all of about 3 mins.  I had to go and sit down whilst I waited.  Once the tea was made, I took the cup back to bed and collapsed back into it feeling as if I’d run a marathon. At times I even find talking exhausting – friends ring up and I haven’t got the energy to chat on the phone – its quite bizarre and worrying as it feels as though I’m never going to get my bounce back.

    Anyhow he said it was absolutely a side effect of chemo -  cancer-related fatigue (CRF - sometimes called "cancer fatigue") and as much a side effect as mouth ulcers, hairloss etc.   And just like other side effects some people on a regime can get it while others on the same drugs might not.  He stressed it is totally out of the patients control – they are not being ‘wimpy’ or pathetic! CRF is described as a daily lack of energy; an unusual or excessive whole-body tiredness coming on suddenly, not resulting from activity or exertion, and not relieved by rest or sleep.  That’s me!

    A small amount of gentle exercise if and when you feel up to it is recommended but absolutely no attempting to exercise through the fatigue by going to the gym etc.  Healthy diet and all that jazz of course. Essentially he said you just have to ride it out making whatever lifestyle changes required to accommodate the CRF.  A number of patients with CRF as a side effect are not able to continue working.  It doesn’t have any correlation with blood cell counts.

    Bad news was that normally it gets progressively worse through the cycles if you’ve had it for one.  Good news, in 95% of cases it stops rapidly once chemo ends.

    He was pretty sure, from the description I had given him of my fatigue that I was getting CRF as one of the side effects of my AC chemo (in fact its really been my only side effect)  I found that reassuring as I was starting to wonder if I was just being pathetic!! 

    So for you other fatigued souls … ring any bells ???

     

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