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  • Marilyn101WR
    Marilyn101WR Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2010

    My last rad treatment was late December 2009, I am still tender, sore, but mostly am forever being surprised at how tired I often am.  A real rollacoaster type exhaustion.  And my sex drive is far from my norm.  Kinda hard on my devoted husband.  Anyone out there have similar experiences?  This is the first I have reached out to my fellow survivors.........  guess I'm still in a state of shock

  • paigelise
    paigelise Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2010

    Hi Marilyn...I finished my radiaiton in Feb 2009.  My skin held up amazingly well but 1/2 way through my treatment I suffered from terrible fatigue.  I started Tamoxifen on March 1st.  In April I started feeling much better.  In May I started getting tired again...it's really bad now.  I sleep a very sound 8 hours a night and wake up feeling like I never slept at all. I am not depressed, I am eating healthier, I walk 1 mile a day....all the caffeine, energy drinks, vitamins are not helping me. I even tried a prescription stimulant that actually seemed to make me worse!  My thyroid and other blood work has all been normal.

    I thought it was from the Tamoxifen but wondering now if it's from the radiation.  I am also getting very forgetful.

    I have researched and decided to try accupuncture.  I have an appointment in 2 weeks and hoping this will be my answer.  I am getting desperate...it's very frustrating to want to do so many things and being so tired all the time. 

    Are you on Tamoxifen or anything now?  I'll let you know if accupuncture helps...let me know if you find another cure! 

    Wendy

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited June 2010

    I am 8 months out of rads and I still feel so very tired.  I feel like an 80 year old in a 50 year old body.  I will say that as each month passes I get more energy.  Not a lot of energy but some and I will take whatever I can get.

    During rads and for 4 months afterwards I was sleeping 10 to 14 hours a day and that was not including naps.

    Hang in there, it does get better but it takes time.

  • marilee
    marilee Member Posts: 245
    edited June 2010

    I've been done with radiation for 1-1/2 years and I'm still tired.  But during the treatment, I was working full time and not tired at all.  It seemed to hit me much later, and I too am taking Tamoxifen, wondering if that makes you more tired.  My onc. says not necessarily, but everyone is different.  I've also got alot of joint and muscle pain, but not sure if its related to the radiation or the Tamoxifen or both!

    My breast is also much better, but every so often I get those little lightening strikes of pain.....anyone experience those?  They're really nerves that are mending, so I'm told, but its an odd feeling.

  • Marilyn101WR
    Marilyn101WR Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2010

    Heh ladies,  how nice to know its not all in my head.Laughing  Yes, I too, am still sore.  Most of the time kind of a deep ache.  I still get the sharp pains around and in my nipple!  Always fun! Very tender under the arm still. My left breast is swollen and hardly feels real.  The weird one for me is I ache even worse after a bath or shower!

      I am taking Tamoxifen,  didn't like the sounds of the aromataze inhibitors at all. I don't need any more aches and pains. I find that if I do anything really strenuous, like weed eating, I am down for the rest of the day.  I have always been very active and would put in about a 1000sq ft garden, yea, right.  Not this year!  I am just hoping to keep it mowed and have four tomatoe plants!

    All in all I truly am very blessed, I had the best of a bad situation.  Its just hard to adapt to the after life. Today is a good day.  The sun is out, I did weed eat my marionberrie and raspberry patches, and bonus!: I found the strawberries I planted a year ago!

    I know tomorrow is tomorrow, everyday is an adventure now.  Thank all of you dear sisters for being there and surviving!  Keep writing, I will check everyday.

  • Marilyn101WR
    Marilyn101WR Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2010

    Heh ladies,  how nice to know its not all in my head.Laughing  Yes, I too, am still sore.  Most of the time kind of a deep ache.  I still get the sharp pains around and in my nipple!  Always fun! Very tender under the arm still. My left breast is swollen and hardly feels real.  The weird one for me is I ache even worse after a bath or shower!

      I am taking Tamoxifen,  didn't like the sounds of the aromataze inhibitors at all. I don't need any more aches and pains. I find that if I do anything really strenuous, like weed eating, I am down for the rest of the day.  I have always been very active and would put in about a 1000sq ft garden, yea, right.  Not this year!  I am just hoping to keep it mowed and have four tomatoe plants!

    All in all I truly am very blessed, I had the best of a bad situation.  Its just hard to adapt to the after life. Today is a good day.  The sun is out, I did weed eat my marionberrie and raspberry patches, and bonus!: I found the strawberries I planted a year ago!

    I know tomorrow is tomorrow, everyday is an adventure now.  Thank all of you dear sisters for being there and surviving!  Keep writing, I will check everyday.

  • stphns_m
    stphns_m Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2010

    Hello everyone, it's good to read the posts here as I too finished radiation in Nov 2009.  I had a huge amount to entire chest wall, neck, underarm & across my back to "steralise the area" cutting across the top of my left lung & heart. My skin held up very well with just a slight redness which healed 3 weeks after I finished. I felt so good during and after radiation until about March 2010 when I was just on Tamoxifin (a few aches that went away after a couple of months) and Herceptin (lots of side effects but nothing I couldn't handle after surviving 6 months of chemo).  I tried going back to work with my husband (mowing & gardening for 5 hours a day) I got through two days and started with fatigue and then spent the rest of the week laying around exhausted.

    So now I just do a day here and there and rest all other times (in between housework & appointments at the hospital).  I think the fatigue (which sleep doesn't help) is a side effect of radiation - our bodies were blasted with x-rays & is working hard to regrow cells destroyed and it just makes you slow down while your healing.  The sad thing is no-one really understands how you actually feel until they have experienced it themselves, my family expect that I should be much better now that my chemo is finished & my hair is growing back, I'm just on Tamoxifin but there are some days when I still feel very poorly. My eyesight, hearing, concentration, short-term memory, emotions & sex drive have suffered to the point of me feeling like a different person.   Oh and don't forget the weight gain.  I'm told it is a side effect of early menopause brought on by my chemo treatment to stop my hormones.

    I too have walked everyday during my treatment (now in the 16th month) which has helped me to stay active and in touch with the community (and lots of deep conversation with my children who walk with me) though some days I felt like I was going through the motions of one foot after another & walking sideways off the pathway. I'm fortunate that I can say when and what I do in regards to work (physical labour really) because my wonderful husband is keeping our business going without me. I keep smiling and enjoy the extended life my treatment has given me.

  • stphns_m
    stphns_m Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2010

    Hello everyone, it's good to read the posts here as I too finished my radiation in Nov 2009. After a mastectomy to remove a 6cm tumour and a further 9cm mass of ductal carcinoma in situ, I had 6mths chemo and then a huge amount of radiation to the entire chest wall, neck, underarm & across my back to "steralise the area" cutting across the top of my left lung & heart. My skin held up very well with just a slight redness which healed 3 weeks after I finished radiation - thank you Sorbelene cream. I felt so good during and after radiation until about March 2010 when I was just on Tamoxifin - a few aches which went away after a couple of months and Hercepton - lots of side effects but nothing I couldn't handle after surviving horrid chemo.

    I tried going back to work with my husband (mowing & gardening for 5 hours a day) I got through two days and fatigue started and I then spent the rest of the week laying around exhausted. So now I just do a day here and there and rest all other times (in between housework and hospital appointments). I'm sure the fatigue which sleep doesn't help, is a side effect of radiation - our bodies were blasted with x-rays and is working hard to regrow cells destroyed and the fatigue just makes you slow down while your healing.

    The sad thing is no-one really understands how you actually feel until they have experienced it themselves, my family expect that I should be much better now that my chemo is finished and my hair is growing back.  I'm now just on Tamoxifin but there are some days when I still feel very poorly. My eyesight, hearing, concentration, short-term memory, emotions, skin & sex drive have suffered to the point of me feeling like a different person. Oh and don't forget the weight gain. I'm told it is a side effect of early menopause brought on by my chemo treatment to stop my hormones.

    I too have walked everyday during my treatment which has helped me to stay active and in touch with the community (and lots of deep conversation with my children who walk with me) though some days I felt like I was going through the motions of one foot after another and walking sideways off the pathway. I'm fortunate that I can say when and what I can do regards to working (physical labour really) because my husband is keeping our business going without me. 

    I keep smiling and am enjoying the extended life my treatment has given to me.

  • paigelise
    paigelise Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2010

     stphns...You really made a good point...noone understands unless they have had it.  I am really getting frustrated with comments from friends and family like "you need more sleep" or "you should exerices more and you will feel better"....I sleep better than I ever have!  My 1 mile walk a day is more than I have done in the past few years. 

    Janice...I feel the same way.  I feel 80 y/o.

     marilee....my breast usually aches when I wake up.  I have had those "lightening" pains..the first few really caught me off guard.

    Marilyn...hang in there...we will get thru this!

    Overall I am grateful that I feel I have had an overall "easy" experience.  I never had too much pain, had a low oncotype to skip chemo, had good Drs, etc.   I feel guilty to even voice my complaints about the fatigue but it's wearing me down physically and mentally. There is no break from it.  I am praying the acupuncture next Friday helps me...I'll let you all know!

    The following has NOT helped me:  Red Bull, Rock Star, Coffee, multi vitamins, B vitamins, Ginsana, Bee pollen, 8-10 hours of uninterupted sleep, daily walks, Provigil...I forget the rest!

    Wendy

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited June 2010

    The only thing I found that really helped with the long-term fatigue was - time. I finished rads in mid-Aug and am not still back to myself but slowly getting there. I did have chemo though so it's a longer haul if you've had chemo.

    You don't need more SLEEP, you need more time to HEAL.

    Leah

  • Robinsn
    Robinsn Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2010

    it took much more time to heal

    s it not only affect your body but lso your mind too you need to be mentally strong to recover fast. Your strong will power will only help you to recover from this soon.

    Medigap Insurance

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2010

    I'm so glad of this thread, I so hate this thread.

    I'm glad not to be the only one who is still zonked, I hate being part of the zonked club.

    I finished my zaps on May 7 and felt pretty darned good. I went off that weekend and cooked for a retreat and all was grand at least energy wise.  I spent a week or so with a sore boobie from zaps but told myself as I left early each day that as soon as things healed up, life would go back to normal.  Then I got hit with a cold that knocked me to bed for 19 out of 24 hours, up jumped a wee bit of radiation pneumonitis and there went normal.  I didn't know about the radiation pneumonitis was for a couple of weeks but wondered why the heck I was so ragged.  The pneumonitis started getting a bit better but my energy level is still to hell in the proverbial handbasket AND I HATE IT!!!!!!

    I work full time and have three wonderful monsters who need my time and attention when I get home.  I can't go to bed at 8 or 9.  I have a job that has been ohsopatient.  I am on a project with other people and I am not pulling my weight.  To look at me, all is well and grand--my skin has no scarring, the burns are gone and yet, here I am napping at my desk.  I get more sleep, I'm still zonked.  I drink more coffee, I'm still zonked.

    And what I have [or do I say "had" now?] was the "good cancer"---how the heck do the sisters with the bad cancer manage?  And I haven't even started tamoxifen --and won't until the radiation pneumonitis clears up--if I'm zonked now and tamoxifen is an energy vampire, what the heck will I be like when I start that?   I feel like such a whiner and complainer.  Surely if I just push myself a bit harder, I can get back to normal.

    Clearly, my typeAness and teenytiny desire to control the universe, well my universe, is showing. . . . . .

  • paigelise
    paigelise Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2010

    3monstmama...you are not a whiner or complainer!  The past 6 weeks or so I have been pushing myself, keeping a positive attititude and it has just wore me down.  I am not depressed...I am irritated, frustrated, annoyed and angry.  The acupuncture did not help my fatigue.  The last think I wanted was more medication but I am going to start a low dose of Effexor to see if that will help me.  I am so tired I can't think straight. At first putting the Pledge in the fridge was funny, now my absentmindedness is scaring me.  I think mine is a combination of the radiation and Tamoxifen.  I felt good for 2 months but after reading figured out it takes 2 months for the Tamox to build up in your system.

     Again I hate to complain...I could have it so much worse.  But I'm really wore out.

    Wendy

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited July 2010

    The rads really wiped me out.  I finished my rads in  oct 2008 and it took almost a year for me to get some energy back.  The rads cause severe anemia that is slowly getting better.  I still tire more quickly than before but I feel more like myself, finally.  So hang in there it does get better.

  • mcbird
    mcbird Member Posts: 381
    edited July 2010

    Paigelise, Don't feel guilty about complaining, this is the place to do it.  Our worlds have been turned upside down and will never be the same again.  We have every right to complain.  Truly, no one can understand until they have been through it.  Hugs, Darla

    PS  I haven't had radiation yet but am supposed to next month. Oh joy!

  • paigelise
    paigelise Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2010

    Thanks Darla...good luck to you next month with your radiation!  I really don't think most people get the fatigue as bad as some of us. Norma...glad you are feeling better!

    Good news so far...my low dose of Effexor has really helped me out.  The last thing I wanted to do was take more medications but I was getting desperate.  It took all my energy just to go to work and if one little thing happened out of the ordinary I was either going to injure someone or burst into tears!

     You ladies are really great!

    Wendy

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