Chemo June 2010
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Sherry - I hope you enjoy the lint roller as much as I did :-) (It won't take out all the little hairs, just the ones that are ready to come out)
tmarina - I'm taking the strongest probiotic capsules I can to counteract the negative effects of the antibiotics. you just need to make sure you don't take them within 2 hours of taking antibiotics (which is challenging for me because I am taking antibiotics 4 times a day). I had already decided to take the probiotics, and then my gp called to make sure I knew to take them too.
northerngirl - i'm sure you'll love using your port. especially since you have a long time for it to settle in before you use it. I used mine 3 days after I got it, and it was sore because the whole area was still sore from the surgery. I'm expecting it to go much better for me next time. but anyway, even if it is a bit sore, it's far better than digging around looking for and bursting veins each time!!
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OK Ladies, Onc has asked every week about sores in my mouth and I have proudly said "NONE!". Well for the last two days I have a spot on my gum that is a bit sensitive when I brush. This morning it is really sensitive. I can't really see anything but I "feel" it. I know we get SE's but I have to tell you the "am I going to get this SE" anxiety is killing me. I swear this is like worse than waiting for the left shoe to drop! I feel like all I do is wait for the next thing to go wrong. Then I go from having a conversation with myself of "stop being paranoid" to "you should be grateful you aren't having more SE's and get over it". Then the guilt hits. I am sorry to be venting but I think I am just tired today. I haven't slept well for the last two days but of course all I could do for the whole weekend was sleep.
I am truly grateful that my SE's aren't bad. I know many of you are having a much harder time. So I have no clue what's going on with me but I knew you guys would let me vent. It's easier for me to be honest here than with most other people because we are all in this together. So thank you for letting me "spew".
Now, to all of you - thanks for listenting and I truly hope you have a good day! I am going to put on my happy face and push onward
Hugs!
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NorthernGirl- I'm so proud of you for how you handled the situation with the receptionist! That's great. I too have had to deal with extremely insensitive people, unfortunately, in my own family... my estranged sister who's now pregnant told me "she can't deal with the extra stress while she's pregnant"... and I haven't heard from her. Oh well. People are so weird. Luckily the rest of my family has been amazing and here for me constantly.
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OK, the deed is done. Thanks to all who gave me pointers on the prep and blade size,etc.
Had a conference call with friends in NY, CA and AK, plus my 88 yo Mom on the phone while another friend buzzed and we all toasted with champagne. Then we took pix with the iPhone of the back of my head and ones with my two new hairpieces.
Not so awful as I had imagined, although I do look a bit like an escapee from a womens' prison. Wearing my big hoop earrings helps. The wig I got is OK but I particularly like the baseball cap with longish hair attached.Can even put that in a ponytail. Looks a bit more real and fits snuggly so won't blow off in the wind. I call it Brett because I think Brett Michaels has hair attached to his bandannas.
Trusting, how did it go for you? Hope it wasn't too traumatic. I know it's hard to see a pile of hair on the floor. Another milestone. Remember, You don't have to be brave. You just have to show up.
Love to all and thanks for getting me through again. Bon
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Jackie,
Warm salt water and baking soda rinses every 2 hours. 1/2 teaspoon naking soda, 1/4 teaspoon salt, 8 ounces water. Stay away from acidic foods for a while too. Fear of SEs is pretty normal I think, I was given a 60 page NCI booklet loaded with SEs and reasons to call the onc. why wouldn't we all be scared! My next treatment is Monday and I'm already starting to feel some trepidation.
Julia
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Miss Kitty- You continue to crack me up. Next you will win the Men in Black lookalike contest!
tmarina- EVERY time one of us has to take antibiotics, I make sure I replenish the good intestinal flora with acidophilus. It makes a world of difference with digestion, avoiding yeast infections etc... I get mine at the health food store, always have a bottle in the fridge. You want to make sure it is in the refrigerator otherwise it is not "live" probiotics. They are just capsules you take with a lot of water. Make sure you space them IN BETWEEN your antibiotics, don't take them with antibiotics. The antibiotics will instantly kill the probiotics. My brand is called Jarro-Dophilus +FOS. If you ask someone knowledgeable at the health food store I'm sure they will know. Sorry you had a teary moment last night. You are entitled to some tears. Once they are out, I always feels better and stronger too.
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To ALL the members of this board.
THANK YOU. You make a painful, scary, sickening situation actually tolerable and fun. I have never laughed so much at something so horrible..
I too have had my share of insensitive, stupid comments from people. I try to remember that they really don't mean to be cruel or unthoughtful, they just don't know how to handle it. The thing that amazed me most, was finding out how many people really care about me. People that I thought were just co-workers, casual friends, extended family. Even my husband's previous wife has been a strong suppporter and visits often. I would never have known how wonderful and caring all these people were if it weren't for this journey.
Please keep me laughing, it is clearly the BEST medicine.
Love and hugs, Mimi
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Julia
Thanks for the mixture. I am mixing as I type. You are so on the money - I have read and re-read SE's so many times my head is spinning. LOL. I have my next treatment Tues and can feel my trepidation too. So sad that we can't enjoy our "feel good" days. Thanks for the encouragement.
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I agree about all the SE possibilities that can make us crazy. I loved my chemo nurse's advice. When she handed me all the drug info sheets on my chemo and meds. She said she wouldn't necessarily read them. She would have them on hand and IF I had a SE, then look it up and see if it was a normal SE. It has helped me not anticipate or look for SE, which thankfully sometimes don't come. Not to mention, most of us probably know more about what to expect than even the doctors as we are truly talking and sharing all day long!
RS711- That must be so hurtful to have your own sister not being able to deal with your cancer. I'm glad the rest of your family is supportive. If your sis "can't deal with the extra stress when pregnant", she might be in for a rude awakening when she gives birth. Nothing like kids to up your stress levels. Can't help but smile at the reality check she is in for!
grneyed- There is an over the counter mouthwash that I hear is very good called Biothene. If it gets really bad, Onc can prescribe one, I think it is called Magic Mouthwash. Good you are staying on top of it.
Bon- Bravo for your great attitude.I think you should e-mail Brett and ask him for a bandana!
I may not loose my hair on CMF, but it is shedding and it may thin. In preparation, I got my free headwrap from gailafund.org. I will buy another or send a donation to help fund their wonderful organization. The headwrap is beautiful. It is sort of in the style of those fabulous headwraps that the African women wear, Imagine a baggy bag with attached ties. It completely covers the head, then you wrap the ties and tuck in all the extra fabric. It looks smashing. www.gailafund.org
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Jackie,
I can totally relate to your 'stop being paranoid' conversations with yourself! My husband calls my anti-depressants my 'anti-suicide' pills as in 'Have you taken your anti-suicide pill today?' LOL, he's so caring :-)
Julia
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Had my 2nd AC treatment yesterday. Went much better than the first time. Nurse found a vein for the IV with no problem and no mention of a port. Yeah!! I'm a bit more nauseous this time. i think from the antibiotic probably already doing a number on me. Took the extra Zofran last night, which I didn't take at all last time. My DH set me up a pill schedule on the computer. Between my BP meds, antibiotics, anti nausea meds, probiotics, claratin and xanex when I'm really stressed, its very confusing!!
Going for the head buzz today and leaving with my "new hair". Strangely I'm not freaking out yet. Maybe later. Got a bunch of hats and turbans I ordered from TLC. Two hats look silly. Two are good. One nice turban with scraf wrap. Sleeping cap. Swim cap (I look like Ester Williams!). And a terry cloth turban to just wear around the house - my 13 yr old son says I look like Lucy in that one. Also bought bangs and side hair pieces. Don't know if I'll use them. I just wanted some options to start with.
Hope you all have a good day. I love this thread and keeping up with everyone. Feels so good to not be alone in this! Oh yeah, got Chinese food 2 nights ago and my fortune said, "Never give up." How perfect!!! -Donna
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Hey BC sisters: amazing that one can miss just a couple of days on the thread & find there are at least 3 or more pages to read in order to catch up on everyone's comments!......it makes this whole disgusting journery we're on because of the BC beast a lot easier when we can vent as well as shout a 'hooray' !
forgive me because i can't everyone's post, but, i'll throw in a few words about things i recall.
Mouth sores, etc.: my oncol gave me the salt water/baking soda mix to use for 1 week immediately following treatment @ 6x daily (minimum), then said to use the Biotene productes, especially the mouthwash for the 2nd week before next treatment--i'm on dd AC/T--so every other week for the mix above. i went in for 2nd AC treatment yesterday & he was very pleased that i'd had no sores -- told me to be aggressive about following the above, as well as avoiding spicy foods that tend to aggravate the issue.
Headsores: tmarina mentioned (quite a few days ago) that she's used nioxin products for her hair condition, at the advice of her hairdresser. i've also heard that baby shampoo & withhazel for the baldness is helpful.
Hairloss: my nurse said that depending on treatment plan, hair loss starts at different stages, with some experiencing more head pain & longer timeframe during which hair is lost. i told her i didn't care about the treatment issue, all i wanted to know was when to expect the "clump loss" because that's when i wanted to make sure i was ready to do the deed with my buzz. am going today to get the 2 or 3" buzz...not going bald yet. think i've got to get used to looking at myself w/at least a tidbit of hair......then i'll go w/ the 'yul brenner' look---is that how his name is spelled?!
Supplements: designermom, i've noticed that you take a few xtra's that i think would be very helpful to the body & our condition, but for some reason my onco will only approve a b12 pill @ 100 mg 2x daily; a multi-vitamin & cal-mag citrate. my 86 yo mom, who is miss vita queen has a laundry list of things i "should" be taking, according to her. and, after reading much of the materials about those vitamins, i'd have to admit that it appears there would be good/healthy outcome. i think you mentioned that you were in the medical field before, maybe your onco is more comfortable (knowledgeable) about the positives of supplementing our treatment regime. i'd like to know what you take so i could 'suggest' that to my onco......
sherri: sounds like you're doing much better on this new drug routine. Hooray!! you've had a rough go!
tmarina: girl, you've got to take care of thyself!!
hope you're feeling much better & everything is under control.
i give up on anything else----can't remember up/down anymore!! 2nd treatment hasn't been quite so bad as the 1st one, although the sink & toilet remain very good friends of mine.!!
question; if you are taking emend for anti-nausea, have you had heartburn problems? i didn't have emend my 1st treatment....only had severe nausea/dehydration/loss of everything.......so got put on emend this round & i have heartburn something fierce. cheat sheet says 'tums/pepcid' are ok.....anyone have recommendations?!?!
also, i'm losing hair everywhere!!!!! not just my head-----anyone else having this same thing? sorry of that's offensive----but, it's dadgum annoying to me & not physically comfortable, to say the least!
i think we're all down in the dumps as of late----why wouldn't we be when our SE's are swirling us around & downward like the tidy-bowl man!
deb
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dsa deb- welcome back!
About supplements Actually, my Onc told me to take NOTHING other than a multi vitamin. When I asked her, she said I could take acidophilus. In my "normal" life, I am quite health conscious and lean toward preventive, complementary approaches to health. I'm glad you brought up the supplements question because I am JUST starting to research what I can do to optimize matters after treatment. I think I understand why we are not supposed to take all kinds of things to strengthen our systems now. A dear friend who has lupus has responded amazingly to proactive, healthy steps. However, even she said that when in treatment, you don't want antioxidants and supplements that prevent cell damage. After all, we are TRYING to kill those blasted cancer cells. Having said that, I know there is a LOT of collateral damage being done to our bodies. I want to be armed and ready to build this bedraggled body back up when I am through blasting everything that I can possibly blast. I would love to start brainstorming with everyone to see what they have found out. I have heard Glutamine and Vitamin D are important.I like Dr. Weil's site. He is a medical AND complimentary doctor and shows a lot of research data on matters. Just today he had n article that seems to prove women who take fish oil supplement have 32% lower chance of BC. I know green tea reduces chances of BC by 50%. If the pharmaceutical companies had a pill with those stats, we would all be paying big bucks to eat it! I think it is smart for all of us to use ALL aproaches to get and stay healthy. Now if I can just get motivated to start exercising!
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I have called onc today about problems with SEs and he has not returned call yet. I am going to try the ice chips next week for 2nd tx with AC and see if helps sore mouth and lips. I have been using biotene and vaseline on lips with a slight relief. My onc has me take Vit D the week between treatments and a multi vit. I have been on fish oil for about a yr so he said to continue. I feel like I am dehydated but should be squeaking when I walk but am still very dry all over. I wonder if my hangover headache is from this dryness. Tylenol does seem to help a little but am afraid to take Motrin because my stomach has been bloated and gassy. I have a lot of indigestion but do not know if it is from the chemo or Neulasta shot. I have to nibble a lot to help that hunger/gassy feeling. Definitely, stay away from spicy foods. I have felt just a little better today but now have a sinus dryness that is whipping my butt. Chemo really is the gift that just keeps on giving. Will ask onc about digestive problems and post that later if he has good suggestions. God bless all you girls, thanks for being there and I'll keep praying we all make it through to good health and a long future. LOL,gin2ca
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gin2ca- I have the same issue with gassy feeling, my onc said that it is because the chemo kills the cells along the lining of the digestive tract, he recommended staying away from dairy...
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designermom- thanks, you're right, it will be a reality check when she has the baby, and she will have to buck up under the pressure...
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I did chew ice chips constantly during my first Taxotere infusion and i switched to Biotene mouthwash and toothpaste too. I have had no mouthsores at all, one small sore on my tongue last week after eating lots of really crunchy crackers and some cherries, the baking soda/salt water rinse took care of it immediately. I plan to keep doing the ice chip thing, and i'm putting ice packs on my nails during the infusion too. So far my nails are fine.
Julia
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Workmother,
I put all my pills for the day in a bowl on the kitchen counter when I get up in the morning, then I look to see what's left before I go to bed! It was terrible b4 I did that, 5 minutes after I'd planned to take a pill, I couldn't remember if I'd taken it or not!
Julia
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DSA Deb, the chemo causes major heartburn. It doesn't help that I got into the chips and dip too! I take Gaviscon liquid (icy mint) for it. It tastes like the sludge floating around in the gulf but it sure does the trick with the severe hearburn.
My onc was ok with Vit D, Cal Mag, but no fish oil, which I have taken for 5 years and didn't obviously help with the breast cancer at all. It is just their opinions we get most of the time.
Gin2ca, definately ice chips. My onc nurses always give them to me thru the adria and 5FU infustions and I have very little trouble with mouth sores. The majic mouthwash fixed the one I had in 1/2 day of rinsing.
Bon, thanks for the quote about not having to be brave, it really touched a sweet spot in me.
Blessings, Mimi
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Mimi9186, I wish I could take full credit for the quote, but is was something I learned from a wonderful woman named Joyce who answered my questions on the forum I started about being terrified of chemo. She said "You don't have to be brave. You just have to show up". It was like a lightbulb went off and it's been my mantra ever since. A friend even made me a framed poster with that saying and it's on the countertop in my bathroom. I look at it everyday and know she is right.
Cheers to you, Joyce. You've helped more people than you iwll ever know.
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Wow--lots of postings to catch up on! I switched from TC to CMF last Friday (July 2) and am doing well with it so far. It was a busy weekend and I was tired, but not too bad. I have been able to work this week and feel good.
My onc said that one of her goals with chemo was to put me into menopause (chemopause?). I am 45, done having kids, and that is just fine with me! I had my period a couple days before I started treatment, and I am now a week "overdue." I have been regular as clockwork since I had kids, so I am wondering if it really has stopped just like that, or if I my cycle is just thrown off by the chemo. About midcycle I had really bad menstrual cramps one evening, but then nothing since then. Anyone else shut down like this?
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meliss, i did the exact same thing, had a period right before first AC treatment, a couple weeks later could tell i was ovulating cramping,, and now nothing.. i think we r done!! some women come back i hear after treaatment...
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does anyone out here run a fever? i always seem to be in thee 99..7 range, i freak but onc says not to call unless 101.5 thats a true fever.. i dont know why, could it just be chemo fever ??? im always worried..
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cheyenna, I tend to run a low fever when my wbc's are low. Last year it was how I usually knew. But DON"T PANIC
, just keep those hands washed! And we are all different, so might not mean the same thing for you. Do you get a Neulasta shot? I would call and talk to the nurse if it stays up like that for a day or 2.
I have to say my onc is a little more relaxed about the low white blood counts. I asked him once if I should be wearing a mask (at the time my counts were too low to get chemo). He said the mask wasn't necessary, and basically said just be more careful, stay away from sick people, etc. etc. He said the ones wearing the masks are usually the ones with blood cancers, because the chemo completely knocks out their immune systems. Even with super low counts (like I had this last week), I still have an immune system. But he did put me on an anitbiotic.
Anyway, I just thought that was interesting.
Thanks to those who gave advice about the probiotic stuff. I will go out and get some hopefully tomorrow.
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Bon: I love your "brave" quote... can I borrow it?
RS711: ouch... your own sister can't be supportive? that's cold. Hey, can we be your sisters for the next little while?
Latte: thanks for the vote of support about the port. I don't want to repeat the experience in my veins... still I feel a little freaky having this thing in my chest.
Cheyenna: I get hot and flushed, but no actual fever. My temp has been below normal. Not sure why.
Meliss: Menopause seemed to hit immediately with first infusion. Weird. Those drugs are so scary powerful...
TMarina: It's hard to know how careful to be. My doc gave me a handful of masks to use particularly on days 7 to 14 when he said my wbc would be lowest. I haven't actually used them, but I am really aware of staying away from people who seem sick. We've changed many things around the house, in an effort to prevent more illness for me.
Well, it's been 2 weeks since my last infusion, and it's great to feeI "normal"
I have a few sores on my head but witch hazel seems to help. I spoil myself with naps every afternoon. I feel for those girls who have little ones and have lots of demands on them. I really enjoy my naps and I feel like my job is to take care of me.
Good night
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Bon - love the Bret Michaels hair comment!!! LOL!!!
dsa-deb - my onco prescribed Protonix for acid reflux. There's a generic for it, so the pills don't cost that much. She told me that a lot of her patients get acid reflux, so she automatically prescribes it.
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Hello all my lovely June 2010 ladies
I thought I'd make you smile with a bit from our NZ national newspaper today ;-)
I quote 'groundbreaking study by a NZ neuro-scientist suggests that "cancer patients may benefit from seeking out mild stress which curb tumour growth"
seeking out ...SEEKING OUT ... duh ... I think we can all assure this scientist that no additional search for stress is necessary. Hurry girls - just in case you don't have quite enough stress with diagnosis, chemo, SE, hairloss ..run off and find some more. haha xxx
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Hello all my lovely June 2010 ladies
I thought I'd make you smile with a bit from our NZ national newspaper today ;-)
I quote 'groundbreaking study by a NZ neuro-scientist suggests that "cancer patients may benefit from seeking out mild stress which curbs tumour growth"
seeking out ...SEEKING OUT ... duh ... I think we can all assure this scientist that no additional search for stress is necessary. Hurry girls - just in case you don't have quite enough stress with diagnosis, chemo, SE, hairloss ..run off and find some more. haha xxx
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I can't take credit for the quote. "You don't have to be brave. You just have to show up." was said to me on another of these forums (I am terrified of chemotherapy) by Jayne_in_UK. (I originially gave credit for this quote to someone named Joyce but I was incorrect). I started that forum and many people responded. But Jayne's words have become my mantra since that day. I think it should be an anthem of some sort, celebrating our resiliance and determination.
Cheers to Jayne_in_UK! And to all of you for showing up again today. Hope it's a good one for everyone.
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designermom: I went to www.gailafund.orgto order a free head wrap and somehow hit before I finished the form, so I started over and submitted a completed form, including the fabrics I preferred. This morning I got an email telling me that they sent out a hat when they got the first email, but they wanted me to be happy, so they have now sent a 2nd one in one of my selected fabrics. Amazing! I have offered to send one back or to pass it on to another bald woman at my chemo site. Thanks for the info on this site and these really terrific people.
Kittycat, dsa-deb:I've dealt with acid-reflux for years but stopped taking Nexium because it was so expensive and couldn't take Prevacid or Prilosec due to SE. After chemo even water gave me indigestion. So I, too, got a Rx for Protonics. The generic, pantoprazole, is available at a decent price and it really has been fantastic.
isla:sure, let's all go out and look for something stressful to add to our lives! I used to be a researcher in a past life and studies like this used to make my former straight hair go into curls. Maybe taking a roller-coaster ride could be stressful and spikes adrenalin, boosts endorphins,etc. But we're on a roller-coaster all our own, or at least it sure feels like it after chemo. Always read any scientific news breaker with skepticism, especially these 'feel good' type studies. They are subjective, easily manipulated, and less likely to be successfully repeated. What a crock...!
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