ILC, HER2+++, 59yo, concerned yet hopeful

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Tygerpaws
Tygerpaws Member Posts: 2

Hello ladies,

On May 4, I had a biopsy with a diagnosis of Invasive Ductal Carcinoma and was triple positive, ER 100%, PR 70%, and HER2 +3.  My surgeon and I had discussed Herceptin, chemo and what likely lay ahead.

On June 4 I had a lumpectomy. 3 nodes removed, all clear which was great. Two weeks later, my surgeon spoke with me about a port, what that would entail, and checked that I had made my oncologist appointment. Healing was going well, I was ready...

On June 29, I met with my new oncologist and, like so many of you, my world began to spin!--

First came the new diagnosis from the surgical pathology report: Invasive Lobular Carcinoma with some Lobular Carcinoma in Situ; tumor was now 0.6cm; Grade 2 (6/9); T1b, N0, M0 and since "HER2 is of minimal concern, I am recommending we put you on Tamoxifen for 5 years and do the standard dose of radiation".

I didn't know where to begin.  HER2 minimal concern?  Tumor is too small to do anything but Tamoxifen?  If you were closer to 50 rather than 60, we would assume more years so we might be more aggressive in our treatment.  And so on... I couldn't think, couldn't come up with the questions, knew I should be relieved but it didn't fit somehow.

I listened, I questioned the new diagnosis, my fears of HER2 and the need for Herceptin ("not effective with tumors as small as yours and your age").  My friend was delighted to hear I was saved from chemo treatments by a pill for 5 years!  But the uneasy feeling would not leave the pit of my stomach! 

Called my surgeon who was surprised also and said she would check with the oncologist. Afterwards, she called apologizing saying she had misunderstood and thought standard treatment for HER2 involved chemo and Herceptin no matter what the tumor size, but it appeared the evidence to support that wasn't there.  She asked me to try him one more time, go in and explain my concerns and ask questions, because he thought I was ok with the Hormone Therapy. She did admit that they had not had a case such as mine with ILC, ER/PR positive and HER2 positive with such a small tumor so things were new and I was more or less a data point.

I searched for a second opinion at the larger hospitals in one of our closest main cities only to find that just about everyone here works there too and they confer with one another.  So, I contacted Mayo Clinic!  It may be a long drive, but I need fresh eyes and open minds.  I am almost six weeks out now from surgery but I am more concerned about not starting with the correct first step no matter what.

If Mayo says my oncologist is correct with all their expertise, at least I can come back with a more peaceful frame of mind and take Tamoxifen, knowing I went the extra mile to find the best solution for me. 

The sad part we all know: Getting diagnosed is difficult enough.  But having to decide what treatment is best when your life may depend on it? Only those who have walked this path truly understand the toll it takes on you mentally, physically and emotionally!  Thanks for "listening".

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  • Boo307
    Boo307 Member Posts: 222
    edited July 2010

    Tygerpaws,

    Check the NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines and go through the specifics of your pathology and see what the standard recommendation is. It may be an option to offer chemo/Herceptin considering that it is also ER+, but take a look.

    http://www.nccn.org/professionals/physician_gls/PDF/breast.pdf  You may need to set up a username and password.

    It has occured to me that there are two ways to look at treatment choices; what the group results of a population might be or what is the most likely treatment to reduce to the greatest amount the risk that the cancer metastizes.  I wish I had had that discussion when before I had chemo. 

    I have read that usually patients start chemo 4-6 wks after surgery, but waiting up to 12 wks is OK.  Ask to see if that's right.

    Boo

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited July 2010

    Typgerpaws,

    I am glad you are going to Mayo for another opinion.  I went there as well and found them to be very independent thinking.  They are very patient focused and look at your individual situation and don't just apply guidelines without the context of individual circumstances.  

    They are definitely worth the drive. 

    Good luck! 

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited July 2010

    My tumor was 1.2cm. i had chemo and Herceptin and radiation, i was also put on Femara because was 7 months post menopausal when I was DX 5 years ago.

    My BS mentioned something like if i was more than at least 1 year PM maybe i wouldn't need chemo..So many different treatments, even for the same identical cancer DX.

    Tygerpaws good luck to you and let us know whats happening.

    Sheila

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited July 2010

    Tygerpaws ~ I can't speak to what is or isn't recommended for your particular diagnosis, but I can tell you that you are doing the absolute right thing by getting a second opinion at The Mayo Clinic.  What you've run into is a very concerning problem -- being treated by local doctors who have no first-hand experience with cases like yours.  And that lack of experience could end up being extremely costly to you if they get it wrong.  Thank goodness you're getting an opinion from an NCI-designated comprehensive cancer center like The Mayo Clinic.  I don't know if there's one even closer to you, but here's a complete list for future reference:  http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/map-cancer-centers.html

    These are the facilities that treat the most number of breast cancer patients, so will have experience with cases like yours.  They have to be up on the very latest research (which is often being done at their own institutions) because they are teaching it to tomorrow's doctors.  I am so glad that you're questioning what you've been told and will get some better answers soon.    

    Good luck, and please let us know how your Mayo appointment goes.   Deanna

  • Tygerpaws
    Tygerpaws Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2010

    Ladies, since I last posted, many things have changed. I talked to another oncologist who recommended the TCH/radiation/AI and then went to Mayo.  They were in favor at first, of the latter treatment EXCEPT they were concerned whether or not my HER2 test was accurate. I had such a small tumor and had invasive lobular cancer in which HER2 positive is very rare.  They requested my tissue and their pathology lab performed its own test.

    The results:  I am HER2 negative (HER2 1+) which changes my treatment substantially. Today I met with my oncologist and we settled amicably on radiation therapy and Arimidex.  What a difference!  I am glad I did all the research, asked all the questions, and went the extra mile (s). Finally I have peace of mind.

    Thank you for the support, encouragement, and advice. It does pay to be your own advocate and all of you are excellent role models.  Thanks again! 

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