81 year old mum with bone and liver mets

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debbieb47
debbieb47 Member Posts: 7

My mum is 81years old and has just been diagnosed with stage 4 bone and liver mets 2 weeks after my father died. She is happy to die as she wants to be with my dad and i understand that but it is so hard when I have hardly had time to grieve for my dad (I nursed him at home). Mum had a mastectomy two years ago and lymph nodes removed which they said were clear so no need for further treatment, she has just been taking femara tablets. 6 mths ago she started to loose weight as her appetite wasnt the best but kept telling us it was just the stress of my dad being so sick, then about three months ago she started getting pain and diarrheoa/constipation, and feeling sick after eating certian foods, she also had a lot of pain in her back and hip but put that down to a past fracture in her spine and arthritis due to old age. She kept refusing to go to the dr as she didn't want my dad to worry about her. It was only after my dad died that she really got ill and started vomiting and had diarrheoa on and off and she was unable to keep fluid or food down so I took her to the local hospital and gave them her past history of breast cancer etc and all they did was a urine and blood test and said she had a urinary infection so go home to bed and take the antibiotics, which she did but still continued to get worse so I then took her to our GP who sent her for an ultrasound and then they found the liver mets and then she was sent for a bone scan and its been found in her hips, pelvis, shoulders, spine (with a compression fracture of T1o, both sides of ribs, sternum and liver with lots of tumours, the dr said she may only have 2 months to go so we were pretty shocked. Does anyone else have an elderly mum with the same thing? Im so worried that she will have a fall and will have to go into hospital.

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  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited June 2010

    Debbie47- I dont have a elderly mom going thru what you are, but just wanted to send you a hug your way, and tell you im sorry for what you are going thru and the recent loss of your dad. this has got to of taken a toll on you. mentally and physically, i wish you well. i will keep you and your mom in my prayers.

    Debbie

  • BrokenHeart
    BrokenHeart Member Posts: 241
    edited June 2010

    Debbie,  I am so sorry for the loss of your dad, and now this with your mother.  I do have a mother in a very similar position to yours, although my mother does still want to try and fight her illness.

    They did rads to her spine, and although it didn't take away all the pain, it did take a lot of it, and with a pain patch and anti nausea meds, she is only just starting to get some quality of life again - she's still very weak; too weak for chemo at this stage. 

    My mothers is the same as your mother's er+pr+her-, so there are quite a few options open to our mothers if they want to take them, and I have come to realize that its my mothers illness, and her body, and if she doesn't want more chemo or treatments, that I have to respect that.  All our family respect her decisions, even though selfishly we want her around for much longer.

    I would say that even if your Mom refuses treatment, that she at the very least ensures that palliative care is on hand to give her quality of life. 

    You have a lot of empathy from me, as this is not an easy road to walk.  I hope your mom makes sound decisions for herself, and not decisions based on a terrible grief she has to be feeling.  I am so very sorry.

    Hugs,

    Zeana

  • Jenniferz
    Jenniferz Member Posts: 541
    edited June 2010

    your mom sounds very much like my mother-in-law, who was diagnosed with mets four weeks after we lost my father-in-law. Don't know how to advise you here. Just know that you are in my thoughts and prayers.



    Jennifer

  • sincitydealer
    sincitydealer Member Posts: 2,712
    edited June 2010

    Your Mom has the exact same dx as my Mom...mets to liver and bones.  My Mother is 82 and has a strong will to survive.  All you can do is be there for support and have her doctors offer every kind of treatment available.  My Mom has chosen to try everything.  The chemo was hard on her at her age, and she could only take a few treatments.  But it did knock the tumors back.  She's on the anti-hormonal, Femara now and monthly Zometa infusions to strengthen her bones.  Unfortunately, the turmors have already done a lot of damage to her pelvis and hip.  She wants to have surgery despite what 2 of her doctors say.  We will find out today if she can even have it.

    I know it's hard, but you'll need to let your Mom make her treatment decisions for herself.  I'm scared to death about my Mom having this surgery, but she wants it very badly.  She says she has no quality of life being in so much pain.  Just let your Mom know what treatments are available to her and support her decisions.

    You might want to check out the stage lV forum.  Those wonderful women are very supportive and a wealth of information.

    Good luck to you and your Mom.

    Peggy

  • debbieb47
    debbieb47 Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2010

    Hi

    thank you all for the wonderful advice and support, it is so comforting just to read other people are coping and helping others to be strong. I am trying very hard to respect my mums wishes as far as treatment goes, the drs have told her that they wont do radiation as it wont help her at this late stage, she is on a drug to lower the calcium in her blood as that was what was making her vomit so much, she is a lot better since when she went into hospital but I do see a decline in her every day, she looks an awful colour, very pale and a little yellow but not too bad, she has lost 3 stone now, she was always a big woman and struggled with diets all her life (as I do)! and now I look at her and think why did she worry so much. She is finally able to eat whatever she wants and not worry about weight but she doesn't want to eat much at all now, she just picks at her food and doesn't drink much either. She has also got bad kidneys as she had a cyst under her arm where they took her lymph nodes out and she kept that quiet also until she finally went septic and it burst (she was overseas at the time), she went into renal failure and her heart stopped twice on the operating table but they managed to revive her, she told the drs they should have let her go. She has never really coped with the breast cancer right from the start and she was always convinced it would kill her in the end. I was a bit uneducated about it all as I just took what the drs said (that she would be fine as it hadn't spread to the lymph glands), I didn't realize it could break away and travel in the blood stream as well or in the chest wall which possibly hers did.

    She wants to know when she will die but they wont say for sure, only the one dr has said two months approx but the others wont say anything, I know they dont like to say but they must have an idea?? she has given up the will to live now so she just wants to go as soon as possible, she hates taking pain medication because she says it makes her sleepy so she lays in bed all day in terrible pain, only gets up to go to the toilet and have a shower which she is struggling with now and wont let me help her. I have got the pallitive care nurse coming to see her today to try and talk to her about her pain medications etc, she seems to think she is going to get addicted to them or they are going to kill her off!! yet she has even threatened to drink the whole bottle of morphine. Its really hard to watch someone you love just going downhill so fast.

    My dear dad never complained about anything and was a wonderful man and very accepting that he was going to die, he was almost 83yrs and had been sick for years with pulmonary fibrosis and kidney failure. He never complained and in the end just slipped into a coma and passed peacefully with us all with him. My mum was still telling him up until a week before he died that he would get better!! it used to frustrate dad as she wanted to put everything in order before he died and to talk about his funeral etc but she wouldnt listen so he had to tell me everything. she is the same now and wont talk about what she wants for her funeral etc,she has had a few visions in the night of a dark figure standing beside her and Im sure its my dad waiting to take her to the other side with him. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you that are suffering, fighting and supporting anyone with cancer. It is such a cruel disease.

    Debbie 

  • debbieb47
    debbieb47 Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2010

    Hi Peggy

    just wondering if your mum is going ahead with the surgery? what a brave lady she is! all the best and hugs to you all

    Debbie 

  • debbieb47
    debbieb47 Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2010

    My mum is in hospital now as she had a really bad weekend and her legs just wouldnt carry her then she started vomiting non stop and couldnt keep fluids or meds down. They have got her on an IV to rehydrate her and get her pain and anti nausea meds into her. Not too sure what the outcome will be as far as staying in the palliative care ward.

  • sincitydealer
    sincitydealer Member Posts: 2,712
    edited July 2010

    Hi debbie,

    My Mom's doc is taking a wait and see attitude for about six weeks.  When I talked to my Mom today she said that she feels somewhat better.  Not sure if that's the pain meds talking or there is some healing going on.  We'll know in about a month.  At least the doctor said she can use the walker.

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